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Tonnage

Maureen O'Hare of CNN states that this vessel "will weigh a projected 250,800 tonnes". [The world’s biggest cruise ship is almost ready https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/icon-of-the-seas-royal-caribbean/index.html] It is disappointing that an experienced travel writer does not understand tonnage. We cannot rely on that statement, nor her comparison between that and the mass of "two CN Towers". Kablammo (talk) 16:49, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What RS do you have to object to CNN's report? HammerFilmFan (talk) 19:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's obviously wrong. It would be quite a coincidence if the GT and displacement were exactly the same number to four decimal places. Here is a source that gives the displacement as 100,000 t.[1] Anyway cruise ships aren't measured in displacement so I don't think there is any need to talk about it.

We have some other bad sources too. I just removed a Cruise Hive source that says the ship runs on diesel fuel and that each of its six engines produces 67,500 kW. GA-RT-22 (talk) 19:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I should have clarified above that the measure used for the size of this vessel is gross tonnage, which, as our article on GT states, is volume and not mass (weight). The CNN reporter apparently did not know that. Kablammo (talk) 00:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And Brittany Wong of Huffington Post parrots the same errors: [2]. Kablammo (talk) 11:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gross tonnage

@Kablammo: Template:GT says "the use of 'tons' as the unit for gross tonnage ... is not correct and should not be used in future articles." I don't know if that's an actual part of the MOS or if someone just made that up for the template doc. I also do not feel strongly about this and will not at all be offended if you want to revert my change. GA-RT-22 (talk) 14:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is an ambiguity here. I entirely agree that the word "tons", standing alone, should not be used. (And the term "ton" is not limited to mass; cf. measurement ton) But the term gross tons is not ambiguous, and is commonly used. But like you, I have no interest in edit warring it. It is more important to confine our sources to reliable ones which show an understanding of tonnage, rather then popular media or amateur cruise aficionados. Kablammo (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An example of the latter may be cruisemapper.com, which contains these assertions:

"As to [Oasis] vessels' dimensions, each boasts the unimaginable weight of 227,000-230,000 GT / gross tons". Why is "weight" used at all in connection with gross tonnage?
... "depth (23 m / 74 ft below waterline)" — on a draft of 31 ft!

Kablammo (talk) 17:45, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Christening by Lionel Messi

Wasn't that honor almost always accorded to a woman, historically speaking?

If we are abandoning obsolete stereotypes, that's okay, I suppose. But then, along the very same lines, how about finding a different word for it. "Christening" obviously has its origins in a particular religion. Toddcs (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 * ... "depth (23 m / 74 ft below waterline)" — on a draft of 31 ft!
 [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] ([[User talk:Kablammo|talk]]) 17:45, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
+== Christening by Lionel Messi ==
+Wasn't that honor almost always accorded to a woman, historically speaking?
+If we are abandoning obsolete stereotypes, that's okay, I suppose. But then, along the very same lines, how about finding a different word for it. "Christening" obviously has its origins in a particular religion. [[User:Toddcs|Toddcs]] ([[User talk:Toddcs|talk]]) 15:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)