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*::"''Mawlid is a "process of remembering the Prophet, it can be celebrated in any day of a year''" is just a simple incorrect statement. It is celebrated usually on 12th Rabi' al-Awwal (sometimes 17th) per the [[Mawlid]] article itself. Yes, the Sufis especially Barelvis, widely celebrate the Mawlid and so does the [[Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind|Jamiat Ulema e Hind]]. But how is that relevant, so is my account being 4 days old? The Mawlid article has a whole sub-heading on "Sufi festival"; if you want to add Barelvi/Sufi stuff, you can add in this sub-heading on Mawlid. Also, the sources on this article are clearly not [[WP:RS]], just some poor news channels and trivia type sites. The point is that the '''Mawlid and Milad-un-Nabi is the same festival'''. "If the nominator is an South Asian so he/she can easily understand the differences between Mawlid and this subject". As a South Asian, I know that Mawlid and Eid Milad-un-Nabi are literally the same thing. Mawlid is the Arabic term for this festival while Milad is the Urdu/Hindi/Bengali term. [[User:Kermanshehi|Kermanshehi]] ([[User talk:Kermanshehi|talk]]) 15:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC) |
*::"''Mawlid is a "process of remembering the Prophet, it can be celebrated in any day of a year''" is just a simple incorrect statement. It is celebrated usually on 12th Rabi' al-Awwal (sometimes 17th) per the [[Mawlid]] article itself. Yes, the Sufis especially Barelvis, widely celebrate the Mawlid and so does the [[Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind|Jamiat Ulema e Hind]]. But how is that relevant, so is my account being 4 days old? The Mawlid article has a whole sub-heading on "Sufi festival"; if you want to add Barelvi/Sufi stuff, you can add in this sub-heading on Mawlid. Also, the sources on this article are clearly not [[WP:RS]], just some poor news channels and trivia type sites. The point is that the '''Mawlid and Milad-un-Nabi is the same festival'''. "If the nominator is an South Asian so he/she can easily understand the differences between Mawlid and this subject". As a South Asian, I know that Mawlid and Eid Milad-un-Nabi are literally the same thing. Mawlid is the Arabic term for this festival while Milad is the Urdu/Hindi/Bengali term. [[User:Kermanshehi|Kermanshehi]] ([[User talk:Kermanshehi|talk]]) 15:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''KEEP''' Tolerance and showing respect to different religions and different points of views is the key part of Islam. The fact that the different term [[Eid-ul-Milad-un-Nabi]] was developed by the entire [[Indian subcontinent]] (India, Pakistan and Bangladseh), for many generations now, has survived. It shows the verdict of the masses of people. [[WP:ILIKEIT]] and [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] should not apply here. People adopted and formed a TRADITION OF THEIR OWN in their local languages to celebrate this same festival. There are many reasons – they are all non-Arab countries and wanted to develop things in their own local languages so it's easier for masses of people to follow and easily understand the Islamic practices. I'm sure all Muslims realize that they are encouraged to learn Arabic and they already do because it's the language of their holy book, the [[Quran]]. For practical reasons though, Islamic religious speeches and sermons are delivered in local people's languages all over the Islamic world every day. References used at the existing article – [[Zee TV]] and [[NDTV]] are huge TV networks watched all over the Indian subcontinent. They are clearly [[WP:RS]]...[[User:Ngrewal1|Ngrewal1]] ([[User talk:Ngrewal1|talk]]) 19:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC) |
*'''KEEP''' Tolerance and showing respect to different religions and different points of views is the key part of Islam. The fact that the different term [[Eid-ul-Milad-un-Nabi]] was developed by the entire [[Indian subcontinent]] (India, Pakistan and Bangladseh), for many generations now, has survived. It shows the verdict of the masses of people. [[WP:ILIKEIT]] and [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] should not apply here. People adopted and formed a TRADITION OF THEIR OWN in their local languages to celebrate this same festival. There are many reasons – they are all non-Arab countries and wanted to develop things in their own local languages so it's easier for masses of people to follow and easily understand the Islamic practices. I'm sure all Muslims realize that they are encouraged to learn Arabic and they already do because it's the language of their holy book, the [[Quran]]. For practical reasons though, Islamic religious speeches and sermons are delivered in local people's languages all over the Islamic world every day. References used at the existing article – [[Zee TV]] and [[NDTV]] are huge TV networks watched all over the Indian subcontinent. They are clearly [[WP:RS]]...[[User:Ngrewal1|Ngrewal1]] ([[User talk:Ngrewal1|talk]]) 19:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Mate, what is your argument? I never advocated [[WP:ILIKEIT]] or [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]? Nor have I said anything against celebrating the festival of Mawlid al-Nabi/Eid Milad-un-Nabi. The thing is that this festival, Milad-un-Nabi is the same as Mawlid al-Nabi. [[User:Kermanshehi|Kermanshehi]] ([[User talk:Kermanshehi|talk]]) 22:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Redundant content fork of Mawlid. The term Eid-ul-Milad-un-Nabi is just a subcontinetal term for Mawlid, refers to the same thing. Kermanshehi (talk) 14:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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- COMMENT This event or festival is indeed a BIG EVENT for Barelvi branch of Islam and is celebrated in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Deobandi and some other branches of Islam don't agree with celebrating it. Differences within Islamic branches aside, due consideration and respect should be given to a huge number of Barelvi population within Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and already allows a huge number of articles on different points of views for different religious branches for all religions including Barelvi point of view, I am hoping that this deletion nomination is not taken lightly on this AfD forum...Ngrewal1 (talk) 18:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- That this festival is prominent for Barelvis is not the point I am making. The point is that this festival and Mawlid are the same thing. Either this article is deleted for becomes a redirect to Mawlid. Eid Milad an-Nabi is just a Bengali/Hindi/Urdu name for the Arabic term Mawlid. The introduction of Mawlid literally goes :Mawlid (Arabic: مَولِد), also known as Eid-e-Milad an-Nabi (Arabic: عید ميلاد النبي, romanized: ʿīd mīlad an-nabī, lit. 'feast of the birth of the prophet'), is an...... Kermanshehi (talk) 11:51, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Mawlid as a plausible search term. It is indeed a content fork and I don’t see anything to merge but any content about the Barelvi celebration should be included in the Mawlid article. Mccapra (talk) 18:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Was a WP:BEFORE done by the nominator as required before bringing it here?...Ngrewal1 (talk) 19:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes and this article clearly violates WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Kermanshehi (talk) 11:51, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Mawlid is a process of remembering the Prophet, it can be celebrated in any day of a year. While this subject is for a particular day which is 12 Rabial Awal. I wasn’t notified for this deletion, this is a day in which the Mawlid (remembering of Prophet Muhammad) is done. Barelvi and Sufi muslims celebrate this festival on a particular day. I don’t know why you all can’t understand this. — Quadrimobile(T · C 06:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- While, in Kanpur Jamiat Ulema e Hind, a non-Barelvi organisation also joins to celebrate the Milad. The nominator being only 4 days old account, if the nominator is an South Asian so he/she can easily understand the differences between Mawlid and this subject. — Quadrimobile(T · C 06:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- "Mawlid is a "process of remembering the Prophet, it can be celebrated in any day of a year" is just a simple incorrect statement. It is celebrated usually on 12th Rabi' al-Awwal (sometimes 17th) per the Mawlid article itself. Yes, the Sufis especially Barelvis, widely celebrate the Mawlid and so does the Jamiat Ulema e Hind. But how is that relevant, so is my account being 4 days old? The Mawlid article has a whole sub-heading on "Sufi festival"; if you want to add Barelvi/Sufi stuff, you can add in this sub-heading on Mawlid. Also, the sources on this article are clearly not WP:RS, just some poor news channels and trivia type sites. The point is that the Mawlid and Milad-un-Nabi is the same festival. "If the nominator is an South Asian so he/she can easily understand the differences between Mawlid and this subject". As a South Asian, I know that Mawlid and Eid Milad-un-Nabi are literally the same thing. Mawlid is the Arabic term for this festival while Milad is the Urdu/Hindi/Bengali term. Kermanshehi (talk) 15:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- While, in Kanpur Jamiat Ulema e Hind, a non-Barelvi organisation also joins to celebrate the Milad. The nominator being only 4 days old account, if the nominator is an South Asian so he/she can easily understand the differences between Mawlid and this subject. — Quadrimobile(T · C 06:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- KEEP Tolerance and showing respect to different religions and different points of views is the key part of Islam. The fact that the different term Eid-ul-Milad-un-Nabi was developed by the entire Indian subcontinent (India, Pakistan and Bangladseh), for many generations now, has survived. It shows the verdict of the masses of people. WP:ILIKEIT and WP:IDONTLIKEIT should not apply here. People adopted and formed a TRADITION OF THEIR OWN in their local languages to celebrate this same festival. There are many reasons – they are all non-Arab countries and wanted to develop things in their own local languages so it's easier for masses of people to follow and easily understand the Islamic practices. I'm sure all Muslims realize that they are encouraged to learn Arabic and they already do because it's the language of their holy book, the Quran. For practical reasons though, Islamic religious speeches and sermons are delivered in local people's languages all over the Islamic world every day. References used at the existing article – Zee TV and NDTV are huge TV networks watched all over the Indian subcontinent. They are clearly WP:RS...Ngrewal1 (talk) 19:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mate, what is your argument? I never advocated WP:ILIKEIT or WP:IDONTLIKEIT? Nor have I said anything against celebrating the festival of Mawlid al-Nabi/Eid Milad-un-Nabi. The thing is that this festival, Milad-un-Nabi is the same as Mawlid al-Nabi. Kermanshehi (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC)