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No importance category

I think it should come back. Reason? Some people say that being of no importance in cvg means that it shouldn't have an article. However! Not all articles that are of no importance to the cvg spectrum only fall under cvg. And just by being associated with cvg does not mean it's of importance to it. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I think low covers it well enough (it's not as if there's a huge diff between low and no), and changing it to "low-priority" removes that impression that we shouldn't have an article on it. Hbdragon88 03:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

If it's of no importance to the VG project, then why would it be in it in the first place? I request an example to back your logic.--SeizureDog 05:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with SeizureDog. If something is not important to this project, it should not be tagged as being in the project at all. --- RockMFR 05:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

But just because it's not important does not mean it doesn't fall under the category of video games. Anyway, this discussion is irrelevant, since it's not even no importance anymore, but no priority. - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It is my understanding that an article of low or no importance only relates to inclusion within the offline versions of Wikipedia, not it's relative merits in all of gaming. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 12:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Essentially, yeah. WP:1.0 will (eventually) be generating automated lists based on project assessments, and a no-importance assessment doesn't really fit there. Nifboy 13:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

People, we're not even discussing importance - it's been relabelled as priority. An article can be on Wiki and be no priority to the VGproj, and yet in the spectrum of the VGproj. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Video Game Images Task Force?

I was going to start a Video Game Images WikiProject, devoted to including images and boxart in every Video Game article on Wikipedia, but it seems that it would make a good task force. Does anyone agree/want to be a part of it? NiGHTS into Dreams... 00:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this would be a good idea, and I'll try to help out. The new features of the cvgproj talk banner would be helpful here. JACOPLANE • 2007-03-25 00:52

Are you interested in making a task force centered around this, or just making this an item on the to-do list? (Also, who do we need to contact about adding this as a task force?) NiGHTS into Dreams... 01:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

To my knowledge there's no leader or council for this project, so just get a consensus and a few members and go to town. I would suggest getting a subpage for your group though.--Clyde (talk) 01:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, subpage added, here! Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Video Game Images Task Force

I'll help out if you need more people involved. --Marty Goldberg 05:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool! Anyone and everyone interested in helping just sign the "Participants" section and get to uploading! NiGHTS into Dreams... 13:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:Dedicated video game consoles

Shouldn't the Dedicated video game consoles template be added to the video game history pages? I believe that it used to be on the now-defunct comparison pages. Bevinsky 11:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

VG PR

The VG PR has a problem. We have several games that are up for regular Peer review, but they did not show up in the bottom section of the VG peer review. Also, the Serious Sam II PR was archived, yet it still shows up on the VG PR page. What is with the breakdown and how can it be fixed?--Clyde (talk) 16:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Not Appearing
• Wikipedia:Peer review/The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
• Wikipedia:Peer review/Final Fantasy XII
• Wikipedia:Peer review/Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit)
• and Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Peer review/Wii Remote is listed incorrectly

The answer is blindingly easy- the articles don't show up there automatically. Never have. The way to fix it is to place/remove them from the page as they are placed/removed from the PR page. Also, update the VG gamebox. --PresN 22:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow I am stupid. I should check my brain to see if it is still there....--Clyde (talk) 18:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

A list of articles that need work

Here is a list of articles that are in serious need of work:

• Spore (video game): the game isn't out, and the article is massive. I don't even want to think of how big the article will be when the game actually is released. Splitting into other articles is possible: but copyediting and other things to condense this should be done first. It shouldn't be a complete case of "it's too big, let's just split it". It's a massive game, but that certainly doesn't mean the article has to be massive.
• Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (video game): This (along with most other Harry Potter games) are cluttered lists, and not much else. I've asked at the Harry Potter project for help on this one (not many responses there yet).
• Tony Hawk's (series): Just about every game listed on the series page, suffers from massive, bad formatted and cluttered lists as well.

I think that's about it, but feel free to add others. RobJ1981 00:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Raw material for The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time article

Hi all. Months ago, I tried my hand at revamping the Ocarina of Time article without actually submitting my results. I'm not active at Wikipedia anymore, but I thought some of the material could be used to better the article. The material is located in my sandbox: User:Tristam/sandbox. If it looks like a huge wall of text, it's because it's a combination of what I wrote, what other Wikipedia users wrote, and material from other sources; I never organized it or weeded any of it out. There's probably also a lot of shorthand (such as reminders to myself about what to write) and other nonsense only I would understand. However, there are more than a few complete paragraphs in there that would really help the article (e.g., introduction, first paragraph of the plot, the first three paragraphs of the "gameplay" section, and others). Hope this helps out. --Tristam

SSX 3 Update

I'm pretty new here, but I've been looking around pages I know about to see if I can improve them (mostly typos :D) Anyway, looking at the SSX 3 page, there is LOADS of bad info and missing info, which I'll try to add within the next two weeks. If no-one minds, I'll also split each character's data into seperate pages, like Tricky's Kaori Nishidake and Elise Riggs.

P.S. Some tips would be appreciated, in my talk page is probably easiest :D

At0m1Ca 14 14:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

If they are one time characters, a page for each them isn't necessary. I'm no expert on SSX, so I can't be of much help here. RobJ1981 18:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually I've had a change of heart. Seeing as I have 3 of 5 games and a strong knowledge of the series, I will go back to my original idea of a page per character, And put in all the information from each game they appear in. I can do bio's and info from Tricky to On Tour, and the rest as well as unlockables I can find by walkthroughs. I think that'll be sufficient data :D I'll try to do it within a month :D At0m1Ca 14 08:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid my project will be delayed a bit, I got Guitar Hero 2 yesterday and.... well, it's good. Very good. Very VERY good. You know :D I'll still try to do it... eventually At0m1Ca 14 13:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Current GCOTW

Kirby Super Star - Please give a hand, honeys! - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Devil May Cry Task Force

Okay me and a group of users decided to organize a task force to keep the DMC articles in top shape, it was originally proposed as a WikiProject but we ultimately decided to be a task force and to work under this project, just letting you know, any comments you have please contact me or leave a message at the Task Force's talk page. Cheers! -DDF

Compromise reached on Soul Calibur character articles

Bethereds has agreed to leave the katakana in the leads as long as it is at the end. I think this is a reasonable enough compromise and so I've edited the remaining articles for consistency. Whether the entire thing should be moved to the bottom as a footnote is something else that might be considered. I've also reverted the name on the Mitsurugi article. Thank you everyone for your assistance in the dispute. Articles in question: Hwang Seong-gyeong, Seong Mi-na, Hong Yun-seong, Seong Han Myeong -- Exitmoose 03:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

List of characters in Rayman

I'm starting a list for characters pertaining to the Rayman series of games. Any help is appreciated. — Canderous Ordo 10:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Done some tidying, mainly removing overlinking and fixing italics. --Oscarthecat 10:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Change to cvgproj template

Made some changes to the {{cvgproj}} template. The parameter |tf=Name of task force will indicate that an article is supported by Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Name of task force, which currently means Capcom, Devil May Cry, Konami, Sega, and Tycoon games. I would suggest that any new task forces must first be proposed on this talk page first, though. Also, the images task force is up and running, and can be tagged to an article by using |screenshot=yes and |cover=yes. See Template talk:Cvgproj for a full description. JACOPLANE • 2007-03-27 19:21

Joining

Hi i would like to join this wikiProject. Where do i sign up? Thanks - Cocopopz2005 03:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Here. And welcome, sir! ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 05:17, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Adding your name there is all you need to do, and even that is optional. Wikiprojects are informal collaborations, so if you want to improve video game articles, you're already a member of the project. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

SVG version of Nuvola apps package games.png

Hi, I've made an SVG designed to supercede Image:Nuvola apps package games.png, which can be found here. I hope this is useful and I apologise if this topic has been incorrectly placed. Rubberkeith 16:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Did you make this from scratch? While I appreciate your efforts, it isn't quite the same. Personally I prefer the original as it has brighter colours and flatter buttons. Wikimedians can be very picky about SVGs being identical to the images they are superseding, and I think there may even be some obscure rule about this somewhere. Garrett^Talk 10:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Same here, it's appreciated, but the svg one is flatter and duller. If we're going to replace an image used on 16000 talk pages, it needs to be the same/better than what we have. --PresN 03:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Video game flops

Category:Video game flops... does this have any value at all? --- RockMFR 03:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion it doesn't. What exactly defines a flop? A game that was hyped/advertising alot, then sold bad? A game in general that just sold bad? A game that failed to live up to expections? A CFD is in order (and if there is a list page: afd that as well). RobJ1981 05:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree, seems pretty subjective, and on a similar note, List of video games by genre seems pretty subjective too...♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 11:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... that needs to go (as soon as everything is properly categorized, if not already). --- RockMFR 14:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Any Help Is Appreciated!

Hey there--I've begun working on a list of Comparison of Wii Games which complements the current List of Wii games and List of Untitled Wii Projects to create some sort of Triforce of Wii Game Lists. I'm hoping to merge the current List of widescreen Wii games and List of Wii Wi-Fi games into one comprehensive list.

It's quite a bit of work for just one editor to work on, and as such this is a call for help. It's nothing really difficult, so if anyone can help out, even a little, that would be great. -Digiwrld1 08:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll be happy to help! Exactly what do you need done? NiGHTS into Dreams... 01:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Video game people

Hello, I am a visitor from Wikiproject Categorization. I've been frustrated on a number of occasions in finding the proper category for a video game developer, programmer, artist, and I realized that this category lacks what most high level categories have which is Category:Video game people. So, I created it and copied Video game designers and video game artists. Now I would like to propose some additional work that will make your category easier for the unfamiliar user (such as me). There are now a number of occupations, including occupations by nationality (e.g. Category:Japanese video game designers), all of which fall under video game designers. I would suggest that now that there is a video game people category, you create Category:Video game people by occupation and Video game people by nationality and if you really need it then Video game people by occupation and nationality (yes, this is common). And then under these categories, move/copy all the profession related categories under them. I feel confident that others will need the video game people category, so I was WP:BOLD but didn't want to be too presumptuous and storm through your area. I am happy to do the work if I get a nod that this makes sense. Note: as of now, the categorization in this section has not been disturbed, I have just created a new layer of Video game people and copied artists, designers and directors into it (and most occupations now fall under designers) Scarykitty 19:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

A comment about Wii Points on several Nintendo articles

I made a comment here: Talk:List of Virtual Console games (North America)#Wii Points doesn.27t need to be listed. But I thought I would get some extra input here. Basically to sum it up (if you didn't read my post on that talk page): how much Wii Points the Virtual Console games cost, doesn't needed to be listed. They are downloads, but look at just about any video game article: no prices are listed. I would've removed it, but I'm sure people would've reverted it. This same thing applies to the Wii Points and Virtual Console article, and the other country lists for VC games as well. Maybe someone can think of a reason to keep it on: but I highly doubt listing prices is encyclopedic. It's helpful, but this is an encyclopedia: not a guide to prices. I can understand keeping the prices of the Wii points cards in general: but not game prices. If they are kept, then people might as welll list on every article the game cost $50 or whatever. A download shouldn't make it an exception to the rule, period. In other examples: movie articles don't have prices, nor do CD articles. In comparision to other actual downloads: I haven't checked that, but I'm sure a mass listing of prices doesn't exist on the articles. I've also posted this on the Nintendo project talk page, to get more responses. RobJ1981 19:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Also there is the price lists at Xbox Live Arcade. I really would like to know, why exactly are download prices more notable than regular game prices? It should be both or none at all: I prefer none, seeing as how many older games prices will be hard to find, and it's just un-needed fan adding. If people really want to find prices: they can go to the official source, Wikipedia shouldn't be the place for this. Since when did Wikipedia become a guide to prices? I think a lot of this isn't needed, as this isn't a guide to prices (as I stated above). RobJ1981 19:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this. Aside from the fact that price listing for games isn't really encyclopedic material. There's the issue of upkeep. Prices of games change a lot and the effort spent up keeping prices could better be spent improving more important things. If someone is really caught up in listing prices, they should rather work on an article about pricing in video games (the history of prices of games, how pricing changed based on different media formats, the pricing structure of PC games Vs. console games, etc.). I think that could make a good article. —Mitaphane _?|! 00:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Anyone else care to comment? As of now, not many have commented (at any of the talk pages I posted this at). The talk page at the list page has several responses: but only by a few people overall. WP:ILIKEIT is what this leaning towards, in my opinion. RobJ1981 17:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Game prices for direct downloads such as this are more notable because they're fixed by the distribution service. An MSRP is just that, a "suggested retail price", which declines over the life of the title until one can no longer find a non-used copy at all. In contrast, the games on services such as Xbox Live Arcade will continue to be there indefinitely at their original price, unless Microsoft does some sort of clean-up and retires old titles. Thus, the price is quite notable, since this is the price that one will always pay, and in fact, the price (in points) is the same regardless of region, so it's always accurate and doesn't require any sort of upkeep or maintenance. Merchants can't discount it, and one can't get the title at a higher or lower price at all. -- Slordak 18:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

That's true, but it still brings up the matter of this is an encyclopedia. Since when did Wikipedia become a guide to prices? Wikipedia certainly shouldn't be made into a download price guide, due to the price not changing. RobJ1981 18:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The information is readily available, accurate (without requiring further maintenance), and in no way jeopardizes the informative content. Why not include it, at least in the Xbox Live Arcade / Wii Virtual Console game list, even if not in the article itself? It is something that people care about. As a counter-example, I don't personally think it's notable for every PS3 game article to say that the game "Media" is a "Blu-ray Disc", since this seems to go without saying, but people put it there, and it's not particularly problematic, so why not? --Slordak 18:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

Following the suggestions of various Wikipedians, I've created a Comparison of Wii Games to complement the current List of Wii games. It allows for additional details to be listed that could not have been fit into the current list, such as Controllers used, Number of Players, and any features.

I believe that one comprehensive list is superior to 3 separate lists for both readers wanting to know more about Wii games as well as editors wanting to contribute and collaborate. As such I am proposing that the List of Wii Wi-Fi Connection games, the List of widescreen Wii games, and the List of Wii games using Miis be merged into the Comparison of Wii Games.

I would really appreciate it if you could leave your comments and votes at the Comparison of Wii Games Talk Page.Digiwrld1 19:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Game Guide definitions

I had been in discussion with another editor about at what point a description of in-game items (in the example, powerups) goes from 'description', worthy of inclusion, to 'game guide', and properly the province of a site devoted to them. I cannot say I have seen any articles that would violate this rule in my opinion, but I would like to know what the main concensus is in this: what is the main defining difference between the two, as far as describing gameplay elements in general (scoring IF ATYPICAL FOR GENRE, powerups, basic controls)? IL-Kuma 07:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

• I've read articles that I've thought are way too detailed for anyone but players of the game, but different people have different thresholds for what kind material is suited for a "game guide". The whole no game guide thing come from WP:NOT#IINFO under instruction manuals. Keeping that in mind, I'd say the point starts where you start describing, in detail, how the item is used, why its used, and such. In general, I'd say it's when you start describing things that would only be relevant to instructing a player of the game: stuff that isn't useful for someone who will never play the game. —Mitaphane _?|! 07:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

• If I find myself reading something that outlines the item's statistics and/or how that item is used, that's game guide material. --Scottie_theNerd 08:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

• The threshold suggested on our guidelines states "if the content only has value to people actually playing the game, it's unsuitable." I've recently begun to think of it in two phases:

1. A basic description, for context (no more than a couple paragraphs)
2. Things which are relevant to how reviewers see the game (if you cite a reviewer for criticising features X, Y, and Z, it is certainly worthwhile to describe such features in the gameplay section)

I think the above approach works particularly well when we talking about controls or other such sections that should discussed be in some games but not others. Nifboy 09:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

• Per game guide, a game guide is a strategy guide, a walkthrough or hint collection. Basically, discussing game mechanics does not make something a game guide, but telling people how to beat the game does. --tjstrf talk 09:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't think it's as clear cut as that. FAQs (such as those found on GameFAQs) are often not game guides, but do explain the mechanics of games. Many editors have used to game guide definition, which only covers - as you mention - how to beat the game. A list of weapons outlining their statistics won't help a gamer directly, but it would contain a lot of technical information that would be of no use to non-players. Does this fall within our guidelines? --Scottie_theNerd 11:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to ammend video games to Naming conventions (use English)

here! - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Founder of Project

Who actually founded this Wikiproject? Bowsy ^{(review me!)} 14:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Greyengine5 created the main project page. --- RockMFR 17:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

{{Qxz-ads}}

I just noticed that we have our very own Qxz-ad.. JACOPLANE • 2007-04-2 09:49

Heh, that is pretty cool! Thunderbrand 13:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I've added it to the project page. JACOPLANE • 2007-04-2 13:49

What makes a game notable

I'm trying to make the article Marble Blast Gold notable, after it's been marked as not notable. Have added a couple of favourable reviews. Is this sufficient to make the game notable? Would be a shame to lose this article, it's a cracker of a game and its successor Marble Blast Ultra was similarly outstanding. --Oscarthecat 17:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

You can't "make" the subject notable, what you do is "prove" that it's notable. The way you do this is find multiple reliable outside sources that mention it. Incidentally, GameRankings is not a reviewer, they pull various reviews together to get an average, so quoting them means nothing, you need to get the review that the quote was pulled from. --PresN 17:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

New navboxes proposal, AMiB out of here

Hmm, it seems that User:A Man In Black has gotten so pissed over the navboxes debate that he has decided to quit Wikipedia altogether. Now some users are trying to introduce a new guideline that is radically different from what we've had for some time now. I think it's important that all CVG members contribute to that discussion so that perhaps we can finally settle this once and for all (wouldn't that be nice).. Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Navboxes so that we don't get splintered discussions again. JACOPLANE • 2007-04-2 17:48

List of Wii games Peer Review

The List of Wii games is getting ready for Featured status and is currently undergoing a Peer Review. Please take a moment to look over the article and add your suggestions/comments for improvement here. It would be really helpful and prepare the article for FL candidacy.

(Also, there is a proposal to Merge the List of widescreen Wii games, List of Wii games using Miis, and List of Wii Wi-Fi Connection games into the Comparison of Wii Games. Please take a moment to look at the comments and add in your thoughts at the Talk Page.)

Thanks! Digiwrld1 22:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Does it have a chance? That page is going to be changing a lot, with new announcements and changed dates and cancelled games and all that. I'm not sure if it's stable enough for Featured list status (in comparsion other featured lists are are of defunct systems, like the N64 and VB). hbdragon88 01:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:DS-only games

Is this category really necessary when there's already Category:Nintendo DS games? Kariteh 21:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I never liked these "only" games categories. I guess since the other game systems have them, they all have to. Thunderbrand 22:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

clean-up required

anyone want to take a run at cleaning up this as it falls under the remit of this special interest group? --Fredrick day 22:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)