Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 31

March 31

Category:Arabian freedmen

• Propose merging Category:Arabian freedmen to Category:Arabian slaves and freedmen

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 23:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Just delete, the article is still in Category:Slaves from the Abbasid Caliphate. Presumably it was not standard to free one's slaves but I can imagine that a larger proportion of notable slaves have been freed, so that the concepts are more overlapping in Wikipedia than they were in everyday medieval life. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Monochamini

• Propose merging Category:Monochamini to Category:Lamiini

Nominator's rationale: The article Monochamini redirects to Lamiini where they are listed as synonyms. Pichpich (talk) 21:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Possibly keep a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
• Merge and keep redirect per above. Gjs238 (talk) 13:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:15th-century Maltese philosophers

• Propose merging Category:15th-century Maltese philosophers to Category:Maltese philosophers and Category:15th-century philosophers and Category:15th-century Maltese people

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one person in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 18:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Infrastructure

• Propose merging Category:Infrastructure to Category:Buildings and structures
• Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by century of completion to Category:Buildings and structures by century of completion
• Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by decade of completion to Category:Buildings and structures by decade of completion
• Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by year of completion to Category:Buildings and structures by year of completion
• Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by location to to Category:Buildings and structures by location

Nominator's rationale: merge, strongly overlapping scope. (Of course if there is consensus about this, then all subcategories need to be nominated as well.) Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Support. I think this is a really good idea. (However, if the decision ends with Keep, think we'd need to have a really really clear definition in the category description to support maintenance. ) Mason (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Leaning oppose. Some of the subcategories of Category:Infrastructure would be seemingly out of place in Category:Buildings and structures. For instance Energy infrastructure‎, Category:Infrastructure of the Holocaust, Category:History of infrastructure, Category:Infrastructure investment and Category:IT infrastructure wouldn't make sense as subcategories of .Category:Buildings and structures. Pichpich (talk) 21:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Ok, then for the top category it is too early to be merged. The subcategories by date and location are set categories, and items of infrastructure are always buildings or structures, so this objection does not apply to these subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:14th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Moldavia

• Propose merging Category:14th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Moldavia to Category:14th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Europe

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one bishop in here, which isn't very helpful for navgation Mason (talk) 18:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Just delete, the only article is already in Category:14th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Lithuania so a merge is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau

• Propose renaming Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau to Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau

Nominator's rationale: sibling are all called Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Macau, even though those were also during the time of Portuguese Macau (1557–1999) . Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau‎ Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau Mason (talk) 18:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Shouldn't they all be bishops of Macau? Per List of bishops of Macau. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

  Hmmmm, I've been thinking of them like a country of work category, like that's where the bishop is serving, as opposed to the dioses. If we changed it to "of" Macau, would that mean that all the bishops would also have to be in the parent category? Category:XXXX-century Roman Catholic bishops in China (or Asia)? My goal is to make all the categories consistent, and possibly avoid having a perpetual edit war over the parent country category.[1] Mason (talk) 18:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

  • Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau would be alike Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Dhaka and many similar categories. Surely the century Macau categories should be merged to Asia as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Reverse rename. That was the Portuguese period, and there was a time when it was a província ultramarina. 219.77.182.250 (talk) 13:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

  What does that even mean? Mason (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  • It is obvious that it was Portuguese, that does not have to be added to the category name per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
    • Then name the categories accordingly. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Rename the 17th to 20th-century categories accordingly and make them along with the 16th-century category under the tree of Category:Portuguese Macau. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  FYI, these are all the same IP and a well-known one at that WP:LTA/HKGW Mason (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

• Huh? 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:16th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa

• Propose merging Category:16th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa to Category:16th-century Roman Catholic church buildings
• Propose merging Category:17th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa to Category:17th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by country

Nominator's rationale: There's not enough content to justify this level of diffusion. Please be aware that the IP making all of these requests is being extremely disruptive on CFD. And is evading their block Mason (talk) 15:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• With eight and six articles respectively (and more to come) would you consider differently? 46.229.243.187 (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Define what's "not enough content". There are many churches in the oldest former colonies which date back to the 17th or 16th century. Meanwhile @Samasongarrison please clarify your point about IP being disruptive. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 12:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

  To the closer, the ip is most likely: WP:LTA/HKGW Mason (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

LTAHKGW? 46.229.243.187 (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Malawian music by city

• Propose deleting Category:Malawian music by city (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Malawian musicians by city (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Malawian singers by city (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Malawian people by city and occupation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Malawian people by occupation and city (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Music in Blantyre (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Music in Lilongwe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose merging Category:Singers from Blantyre (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Musicians from Blantyre (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose merging Category:Singers from Lilongwe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Musicians from Lilongwe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose merging Category:People from Blantyre by occupation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People from Blantyre (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose merging Category:People from Lilongwe by occupation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People from Lilongwe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary overcategorization of a small number of articles -- in both Blantyre and Lilongwe, the creator started "Musicians from [City]" categories that are fine on their own, but then vastly overdid everything else around them.
Firstly, they do not each require a separate "singers" subcategory: the musicians categories have just ten and seven articles in them, respectively, which is not large enough to require diffusion for different types of musicians, and the singers subcategories in turn have just two and four articles in them -- and obviously if the singers categories aren't necessary, then neither is Category:Malawian singers by city.
Secondly, with just two categories they don't need a dedicated Category:Malawian musicians by city container either, and can just be filed directly in Category:Malawian musicians.
Thirdly, they also don't need "Music in (City)" parents that don't have anything else in them (and have nothing else in the "City" parents that can be refiled into them either), which also vitiates the need for Category:Malawian music by city.
Fourthly, neither Category:People from Blantyre nor Category:People from Lilongwe have enough occupational subcategories to require chunking them out into "People from X by occupation" containers, and if those aren't needed then Category:Malawian people by city and occupation and Category:Malawian people by occupation and city also aren't needed either.
Again, the musicians subcategories themselves are fine, but they don't need any of these as parent or child categories -- they can both just be filed directly in Category:Malawian musicians and the appropriate "People from X", and don't need this many layers of redundancy added to their family trees. Bearcat (talk) 15:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Merge/delete per nom, this makes navigation through the tree a nightmare. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

  @Bearcat, @Marcocapelle There are many articles that need to be included in the categories above that haven't yet been added. If the categories are intended to be merged or deleted, I just wonder how this survives which uses the very same style and structure. If the intention is to have at least many articles into them, well then, would you give it a little time as I would look for articles to add into them (or even create some). Hopefully Wikipedia is work in progress. Thanks. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 17:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Just because that exists doesn't mean this has to as well, because it's entirely within the realm of possibility that that shouldn't exist either. Nothing stops anybody from creating any unwarranted thing at any time, so the existence of one thing is not automatically validation for the existence of another. Bearcat (talk) 17:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:British Kenya

• Propose renaming Category:British Kenya to Category:Kenya Colony

Nominator's rationale: rename, seems a straightforward case of WP:C2D but having this for full discussion just in case it isn't that straightforward. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:48, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• 'Support I see no reason to object and it is indeed close to a WP:C2D. Pichpich (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Arab-Jewish culture in the United States

• Propose renaming Category:Arab-Jewish culture in the United States to Category:Arab-Jewish diaspora in the United States
• Propose renaming Category:Egyptian-Jewish culture in the United States to Category:Egyptian-Jewish diaspora in the United States
• Propose renaming Category:Lebanese-Jewish culture in the United States to Category:Lebanese-Jewish diaspora in the United States
• Propose renaming Category:Syrian-Jewish culture in the United States to Category:Syrian-Jewish diaspora in the United States
• Propose renaming Category:Arab-Jewish culture in France to Category:Arab-Jewish diaspora in France
• Propose renaming Category:Algerian-Jewish culture in France to Category:Algerian-Jewish diaspora in France
• Propose renaming Category:Tunisian-Jewish culture in France to Category:Tunisian-Jewish diaspora in France

Nominator's rationale: Rename as part of as part of Category:Arab-Jewish diaspora. This suggestion had some support at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 21#Category:Arab-Jewish culture in the United States. "Diaspora" would match some parent categories such as Egyptian-Jewish diaspora. I acknowledge that these are also part of Jewish culture by country, but IMHO conforming within Arab-Jewish diaspora would be most helpful. – Fayenatic London 07:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support, the proposed names clarify better what these categories are about. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:39, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Meta-Wiki autoconfirmed users

• Propose deleting Category:Meta-Wiki autoconfirmed users (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for utterly lacking collaborative value. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support as creator. Seeing as Template:Autoconfirmed topicon does not have a category, there is a reasonable rationale for deleting it. 2003 LN6 02:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians who like Super Mario

• Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who like Super Mario (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for utterly lacking collaborative value. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Pichpich (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

  It shouldn't be deleted because I keep expanding the page. Hjajajsbbxb12 (talk) 15:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

  • That is not a reason to keep it. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedian disc golfers

• Propose deleting Category:Wikipedian disc golfers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for utterly lacking collaborative value, compare Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/User/Archive/April_2008#Category:Wikipedians_who_play_golf

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Pichpich (talk) 21:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)