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Yeah we have to follow the very reliable mainstream media whatever but we have to at least wait until some times later until the Russian did indeed launch a large scale offensive. This is just one day and even a mainstream media article like this https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-05-10/russia-trying-to-break-through-ukraine-defenses-kharkiv-region-zelensky was unsure if it was a large scale attacks or just a feint. Also many media have the habit of proclaiming this and that as a Russian objective and when the Russia didn't actually do it the media claim the Russian failed on achieving it. Too early for this article. [[User:Dauzlee|Dauzlee]] ([[User talk:Dauzlee|talk]]) 17:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC) |
Yeah we have to follow the very reliable mainstream media whatever but we have to at least wait until some times later until the Russian did indeed launch a large scale offensive. This is just one day and even a mainstream media article like this https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-05-10/russia-trying-to-break-through-ukraine-defenses-kharkiv-region-zelensky was unsure if it was a large scale attacks or just a feint. Also many media have the habit of proclaiming this and that as a Russian objective and when the Russia didn't actually do it the media claim the Russian failed on achieving it. Too early for this article. [[User:Dauzlee|Dauzlee]] ([[User talk:Dauzlee|talk]]) 17:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Timeline Adjustments? == |
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Is it possible rather than doing it by day we should sort it by May 10th-June 1st? [[User:SCPdude629|SCPdude629]] ([[User talk:SCPdude629|talk]]) 20:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Isn't this premature?
It's been less than a day. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, we don't know yet whether this will be a significant offensive or not --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 15:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Should this page be titled Kharkiv Campaign instead?
In my opinion, the title "2024 Kharkiv Offensive" for this page is not quite accurate. Why?
Because the definition of "Counter Offensive" itself according to Merriam-Webster is "a large-scale military offensive undertaken by a force previously on the defensive". And also, it has not been a full day since this campaign was launched, so the Counteroffensive that is meant is more of a first defense effort. Bukansatya (talk) 16:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- It should be 2024 Kharkiv offensive, not counteroffensive but it didn't even start for sure. 37.248.161.197 (talk) 17:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Makes more sense. If the name of this page is changed to "2024 Kharkiv Offensive". With that, it can cover many events and battles that may occur in the near future without limiting the content. The page does not only focus on the defensive efforts of Ukrainian forces, but can also cover events such as the battle of Volchansk that are likely to happen soon. Bukansatya (talk) 18:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Russia began a new wave of offensive actions in this (Kharkiv's) direction. Ukraine met them (Russian forces) there with our troops, brigades, and artillery," Zelensky said during the press briefing with Slovak President Zuzana Caputova in Kyiv.
- Source: https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-russia-launches-new-counteroffensive-in-kharkiv-oblast/ (jabz) 18:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've already reviewed the article, and while I appreciate the information presented, I believe there's a slight bias in the framing. Russia initiated an offensive operation that hasn't even been underway for a full day and lacks a dedicated page, while the counteroffensive announced by Zelensky has its own page. In my interpretation, aims to halt Russian advances and prevent them from reaching Ukraine's northernmost defense line. Of course, this is just my perspective, and I'm open to hearing your thoughts as well. Bukansatya (talk) 18:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Too early to call it an offensive
Yeah we have to follow the very reliable mainstream media whatever but we have to at least wait until some times later until the Russian did indeed launch a large scale offensive. This is just one day and even a mainstream media article like this https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-05-10/russia-trying-to-break-through-ukraine-defenses-kharkiv-region-zelensky was unsure if it was a large scale attacks or just a feint. Also many media have the habit of proclaiming this and that as a Russian objective and when the Russia didn't actually do it the media claim the Russian failed on achieving it. Too early for this article. Dauzlee (talk) 17:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Timeline Adjustments?
Is it possible rather than doing it by day we should sort it by May 10th-June 1st? SCPdude629 (talk) 20:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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