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:<span class="nowrap">[[File:Yes check.svg|18px|link=|alt=]]''' Done'''</span><!--template:done-->. I've uploaded the higher-resolution image from the study at [[:File:PLOS 3.PNG]]. I'm still seeing the previous version in the article, though; I suspect there's some cache that needs to be cleared. [[User:Anon126|<span style="background-color: #000"><span style="color: #fff">Anon</span><span style="color: #0ff;">126</span></span>]] ([[User:Anon126/R|notify me of responses!]] / [[User talk:Anon126|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Anon126|contribs]]) 14:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC) |
:<span class="nowrap">[[File:Yes check.svg|18px|link=|alt=]]''' Done'''</span><!--template:done-->. I've uploaded the higher-resolution image from the study at [[:File:PLOS 3.PNG]]. I'm still seeing the previous version in the article, though; I suspect there's some cache that needs to be cleared. [[User:Anon126|<span style="background-color: #000"><span style="color: #fff">Anon</span><span style="color: #0ff;">126</span></span>]] ([[User:Anon126/R|notify me of responses!]] / [[User talk:Anon126|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Anon126|contribs]]) 14:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Selective use of secondary source passage == |
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Yesterday Jingiby [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Macedonians_(ethnic_group)&diff=prev&oldid=1226700847 added] to the article thew view of a certain "British historian F. A. K. Yasamee" on Macedonian ethnogenesis, describing his edit as a "clarification". The reader is not referred to any specific pages, but Yasamee's chapter is reproduced online [http://www.promacedonia.org/en/other/yasamee.html here], in the website of a Bulgarian nationalist website. When reading the second paragraph of the chapter's introduction, which seems to have been used as the source for Jingiby's edit, the reader finds out that Yasamee does not only refer to the case of Macedonian national identity as exceptional, but also states that "The Macedonians are an extreme case, but it will be suggested here that the forces which have governed the peculiar evolution of their sense of nationality are not, at bottom, different from those which have shaped the nationalities of other Balkan peoples." This is quite different from the one-sided view that Yasamee is portrayed to uphold in the article due to the selective use of the paragraph in Jingiby's edit, which in addition omits mentioning that -per Yasamee- Macedonian (relative) exceptionalism relates to the fact that "their nationality continu[es] to be disputed by several of their neighbours". I am thus reverting Jingiby's until there is an explanation of (a) why should Yasamee's views be partially and selectively used in the article and (b) why Yasamee's view should be considered of such importance so as to include it in this article. [[User:Ashmedai 119|Ashmedai 119]] ([[User talk:Ashmedai 119|talk]]) 05:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Macedonian art
Sculpture and installation artists Gligor Stefanov and Petre Nikoloski were the first to represent an independant Macedonia in the Venice Biennale in 1993.
DNA image has been tampered with
In the Genetics-section of the article, there is the same file embedded as here on the right.
It appears that the top right quadrant of this file has been changed from the original but those changes aren't supported by any sources. Also in the current version Slovenians have been removed from the legend in the bottom right? I think those changes should be reverted to the version of 11th May 2016. 2A00:6020:41F0:3600:1C27:B726:823F:4A6A (talk) 10:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Actually, I think the version in the original study is of even higher resolution and should be used. 2A00:6020:41F0:3600:1C27:B726:823F:4A6A (talk) 10:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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change image in the Genetics-section to original high res version 2A00:6020:41F0:3600:1C27:B726:823F:4A6A (talk) 10:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Done. I've uploaded the higher-resolution image from the study at File:PLOS 3.PNG. I'm still seeing the previous version in the article, though; I suspect there's some cache that needs to be cleared. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 14:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Selective use of secondary source passage
Yesterday Jingiby added to the article thew view of a certain "British historian F. A. K. Yasamee" on Macedonian ethnogenesis, describing his edit as a "clarification". The reader is not referred to any specific pages, but Yasamee's chapter is reproduced online here, in the website of a Bulgarian nationalist website. When reading the second paragraph of the chapter's introduction, which seems to have been used as the source for Jingiby's edit, the reader finds out that Yasamee does not only refer to the case of Macedonian national identity as exceptional, but also states that "The Macedonians are an extreme case, but it will be suggested here that the forces which have governed the peculiar evolution of their sense of nationality are not, at bottom, different from those which have shaped the nationalities of other Balkan peoples." This is quite different from the one-sided view that Yasamee is portrayed to uphold in the article due to the selective use of the paragraph in Jingiby's edit, which in addition omits mentioning that -per Yasamee- Macedonian (relative) exceptionalism relates to the fact that "their nationality continu[es] to be disputed by several of their neighbours". I am thus reverting Jingiby's until there is an explanation of (a) why should Yasamee's views be partially and selectively used in the article and (b) why Yasamee's view should be considered of such importance so as to include it in this article. Ashmedai 119 (talk) 05:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)