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* '''Comment''': Tricky. Per [https://finding-aids.lib.unc.edu/00080/ the collection of his papers], Branch the attorney general may have died in 1864. There is no indication of a Joseph Branch II in [https://www.floridamemory.com/fmp/territorial-legislative/PeopleOfLawmaking.pdf the list of every state legislator in Florida]. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 22:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC) |
* '''Comment''': Tricky. Per [https://finding-aids.lib.unc.edu/00080/ the collection of his papers], Branch the attorney general may have died in 1864. There is no indication of a Joseph Branch II in [https://www.floridamemory.com/fmp/territorial-legislative/PeopleOfLawmaking.pdf the list of every state legislator in Florida]. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 22:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete'''. This has a single source ("Memoirs of a Southern Woman") that is written and published by the Branch family - self written family histories are not great sources. As Curbon7 points out [https://www.floridamemory.com/fmp/territorial-legislative/PeopleOfLawmaking.pdf The People of Lawmaking in Florida 1822 – 2019] lists just one "Branch, Joseph" who was the Legislative Council in 1841 and Attorney General, 1845-1846 so is [[Joseph Branch (Florida politician)]]. The memoirs say "Joseph Gerald Branch the third, Joseph Branch second, was a member of Legislature of Florida at twenty-one" but I can find no mention in the newspapers. A search of the newspapers found that a Colonel Joseph Branch was shot in Arkansas 1867 [https://www.newspapers.com/article/public-ledger-colonel-joseph-branch/150349374/ this] and [https://www.newspapers.com/article/des-arc-weekly-citizen-col-joseph-branch/150349396/ this] but no mention of Florida, politics or Gerald as a middle name so cannot be linked to "Joseph Gerald" son of [[Joseph Branch (Florida politician)]]. A search of the newspapers found that a Joseph H. Branch from [[Tallahassee, Florida]] did die 1864 - see [https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-daily-confederate-joseph-h-branch-d/150349491/ this]. [[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] ([[User talk:KylieTastic|talk]]) 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
* '''Delete'''. This has a single source ("Memoirs of a Southern Woman") that is written and published by the Branch family - self written family histories are not great sources. As Curbon7 points out [https://www.floridamemory.com/fmp/territorial-legislative/PeopleOfLawmaking.pdf The People of Lawmaking in Florida 1822 – 2019] lists just one "Branch, Joseph" who was the Legislative Council in 1841 and Attorney General, 1845-1846 so is [[Joseph Branch (Florida politician)]]. The memoirs say "Joseph Gerald Branch the third, Joseph Branch second, was a member of Legislature of Florida at twenty-one" but I can find no mention in the newspapers. A search of the newspapers found that a Colonel Joseph Branch was shot in Arkansas 1867 [https://www.newspapers.com/article/public-ledger-colonel-joseph-branch/150349374/ this] and [https://www.newspapers.com/article/des-arc-weekly-citizen-col-joseph-branch/150349396/ this] but no mention of Florida, politics or Gerald as a middle name so cannot be linked to "Joseph Gerald" son of [[Joseph Branch (Florida politician)]]. A search of the newspapers found that a Joseph H. Branch from [[Tallahassee, Florida]] did die 1864 - see [https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-daily-confederate-joseph-h-branch-d/150349491/ this]. [[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] ([[User talk:KylieTastic|talk]]) 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
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*:Per [https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/portrait/9JPY-4SN FamilySearch] the one died in 1864 is his nephew. [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 13:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete'''. This is a poorly worded nomination (the text of the nominated article isn't a "complete duplicate"), but the article is entirely based on a [[WP:PRIMARYSOURCE]] and, as [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] points out, only Joseph Branch the attorney general shows up in the list of Florida legislators, eliminating a claim to notability under [[WP:NPOL]]. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
* '''Delete'''. This is a poorly worded nomination (the text of the nominated article isn't a "complete duplicate"), but the article is entirely based on a [[WP:PRIMARYSOURCE]] and, as [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] points out, only Joseph Branch the attorney general shows up in the list of Florida legislators, eliminating a claim to notability under [[WP:NPOL]]. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
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The current content of this article is a complete duplicate of Joseph Branch (Florida politician). The following statement is all about Joseph Branch (Florida politician), not his son:
- assassinated November 22, 1867
- a state legislator in Florida at the age of 21, worked as a lawyer, and had a plantation in Desha, Arkansas
- married Mary Polk
Evidence here: in that article, says:
- Joseph Branch is son of Joseph Branch and Susan Simpson O'Bryan
- His uncle is John Branch
- He married Annie Pillow Martin and Mary Jones Polk; by Polk, he has a son Joseph
- Children also include Lucia Eugenia Branch
- state legislator in Florida at the age of 21 and had a plantation in Desha, Arkansas
Note the point 2-4 above meets the content of Joseph Branch (Florida politician). GZWDer (talk) 13:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Arkansas. Shellwood (talk) 14:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree there is potential for conflation here. @GZWDer: Can you provide a proper citation for the link above rather than just a bare URL? There appears to conflicting records and a dearth of reliable sources on this, but this source states that Joseph Branch, the Florida Attorney General, was a brother of Lawrence O'Bryan Branch and was "murdered by renegades" in Arkansas in 1866 [sic]. Mary Polk Branch in her memoir writes she was married to "Col Joseph Branch", "a member of the legislature at twenty-one, and president of a bank", on Nov. 29, 1859, and that Colonel Branch was shot to death by a drunken Doctor Pendleton in November 1867. However, a genealogical entry later in the book states that a "Joseph Gerald Polk" is the son of Joseph Branch and his second wife Mary Polk Branch, and this son was "a member of Legislature of Florida at twenty-one, a successful lawyer and planter in Desha bounty, Arkansas, where he amassed a very large fortune. He was assassinated on his plantation November 22, 1867." --Animalparty! (talk) 16:18, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Tricky. Per the collection of his papers, Branch the attorney general may have died in 1864. There is no indication of a Joseph Branch II in the list of every state legislator in Florida. Curbon7 (talk) 22:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This has a single source ("Memoirs of a Southern Woman") that is written and published by the Branch family - self written family histories are not great sources. As Curbon7 points out The People of Lawmaking in Florida 1822 – 2019 lists just one "Branch, Joseph" who was the Legislative Council in 1841 and Attorney General, 1845-1846 so is Joseph Branch (Florida politician). The memoirs say "Joseph Gerald Branch the third, Joseph Branch second, was a member of Legislature of Florida at twenty-one" but I can find no mention in the newspapers. A search of the newspapers found that a Colonel Joseph Branch was shot in Arkansas 1867 this and this but no mention of Florida, politics or Gerald as a middle name so cannot be linked to "Joseph Gerald" son of Joseph Branch (Florida politician). A search of the newspapers found that a Joseph H. Branch from Tallahassee, Florida did die 1864 - see this. KylieTastic (talk) 10:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per FamilySearch the one died in 1864 is his nephew. GZWDer (talk) 13:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is a poorly worded nomination (the text of the nominated article isn't a "complete duplicate"), but the article is entirely based on a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and, as Curbon7 points out, only Joseph Branch the attorney general shows up in the list of Florida legislators, eliminating a claim to notability under WP:NPOL. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)