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Won't be notable for years. Author is refusing to redirect the article despite numerous forced redirects. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 12:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Forced redirects are disruptive as they violate WP:BLANK. No opinion on the article at hand. Noah, BSBA^Talk 12:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

No. Blank-and-redirects are allowed under WP:BLAR. The redirects were not controversial because the author reverted the redirects, not separate users. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

It’s supposed to be discussed after the redirection is reverted. Forcing a redirect again despite objection is not supported by policy and guidelines. Noah, BSBA^Talk 13:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Umm, there will be a future UK general election. Gopchunk (talk) 12:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

This does not address that the election is not notable now. No reason this can't be a draft. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Why need we even have this conversation? DimensionalFusion (talk) 12:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Not a substantive comment. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 July 5. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 12:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per many other "Next general election" AfDs. 48JCL 13:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

This election should not be compared with others because its date is unknown. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 17#2028 United States presidential election held that if an article cannot be written on an election, as it cannot be now, it should not have an article. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Unknown date seems irrelevant. The date of the next election in most Westminster-style governments is always unknown until just weeks prior, either because of a lack of any fixed election schedule or because of the ability to call snap elections even where a fixed date nominally exists. There have been "next general election" articles for many of these in the past, including the UK. They usually state that the election must take place "no later than," or "on or before," a certain date. So comparison can easily be made with others of the same type (e.g. Next New Zealand general election, Next Australian federal election, 45th Canadian federal election.) Lack of sources or relevance could still be a valid reason to delete in theory, but the date has nothing to do with it. Zachldl (talk) 17:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Don't see why this shouldn't stay as is. There's only 2 seats left to be declared and Keir Starmer has already been appointed Prime Minister. The election is basically over.

Juneauite (talk) 13:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Does not address the AfD reasoning. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

"Won't be notable for years." Is just untrue. The next national election for a major country is notable. DimensionalFusion (talk) 13:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

No, it will be notable when there are sources written for it. Next Nova Scotia general election is marginally notable because some discussion has occurred about the election in Canadian media. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per point 1 of WP:CRYSTAL, which, in using an example from American politics, addresses this issue fairly directly. 64.66.123.248 (talk) 13:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The event is still not notable, so WP:CRYSTAL would not apply until this event was notable. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@ElijahPepe Why do you keep saying it's "not notable"? That hasn't been established - quite the opposite. Can you prove that's it not notable? I can find lots of media discussion regarding it

[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] DimensionalFusion (talk) 13:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Most of these citations concern the same claim by Nigel Farage. The chances of Reform UK gaining 322 seats, a prediction wagered years before an election would even be scheduled, are unrealistically low. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Regardless of whether they concern Nigel Farage, they are talking about it and discussing it, no? DimensionalFusion (talk) 13:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

If WP:CRYSTAL declares a 2028 US Presidential election notable, then the Next UK General Election is also notable. 64.66.123.248 (talk) 13:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

2028 United States presidential election is not notable, according to the RfD I linked above, and has been creation protected. One statement is hardly enough to justify this article. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

It's an official Wikipedia policy. DimensionalFusion (talk) 13:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

It's been creation protected because "The established consensus for election articles is that they should not be moved to mainspace until after the previous election has taken place," per the note on the draft article. The 2024 election has taken place in the UK. It's time for this to be created, and we're moving into WP:SNOW territory. 64.66.123.248 (talk) 14:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Creating an article for the next general election has been the practice on WP for many years, it makes sense, and it provides a convenient place for inclusion of election-focused content such as opinion polling results over time. SS451 (talk) 13:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Opinion polling has not occurred yet. This would be great justification for the draftspace. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

To elaborate on why I think it has been the practice and how it's helpful: for readers not familiar with the UK system of a parliament having a maximum duration but no minimum duration, clicking through from the most recent completed election to the "Next election" article gives them a quick rundown of how the system of dissolving Parliament and calling a new election works, and explains why there is no specific date attached, unlike for example the next French presidential election. It's better to have that information available in one place together with the specific information about how that system applies to the next election than to require readers to search elsewhere. SS451 (talk) 15:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep The next election of a major democracy is notable by clearly established precedent. As DimensionalFusion has pointed out, there are sources that discuss this one, so the GNG is probably also met. (I've removed the GNG tag from the article because it's being discussed here – the nominator should have done this himself regardless of whether he believes the GNG to be met or not, as the two tags are redundant.) Toadspike [Talk] 13:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and United Kingdom. Shellwood (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - It was borderline before yesterday's election, but this is now very much a live issue. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep I can't understand there are any reason to delete the page. Obviously UK will have a next general election in no more than 5 years. Awdqmb (talk) 15:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: We just had the last election, yesterday. TooSoon at this point for the 2029 one. Oaktree b (talk) 16:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. I agree, but I fear we're in tiny minority. Athel cb (talk) 17:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per 1) multiple other AfDs on next elections; 2) WP:CRYSTALBALL: Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place - event is notable (it's an election) and it's indeed "almost certain to take place"; 3) it's not true that "won't be notable for years": it already is, but will be even more notable as soon as opinion polls start being published (which will take days, weeks at most, not years). Impru20^talk 17:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Next Election is always relevant. In a week or so, opinions polls are probably released already. Thomediter (talk) 18:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - there is not a single source in the article about the "Next United Kingdom general election", nor has anyone presented one. The 9 links above are just Farage stroking his ego. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 19:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

There are, actually: one analyzing how Labour's feeble vote share in 2024 could be an opportunity for other parties come the "next election", one commenting procedural issues on the next election's date, betting odds on the next UK election (yes, really)... this without the already forementioned facts of this being a notable event almost certain to take place (thus complies with CRYSTAL) and that there will be opinion polls coming out within the next weeks at latest. Impru20^talk 22:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Very obvious as to why this should be kept, confused this is even being raised. Kioj156 (talk) 20:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, WP:SNOW. It's standard procedure to have an article on the next election after the last one is over, and it's always a few weeks at most before an opinion poll comes out as a source about the election. I'm really not sure what this discussion is meant to achieve. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 20:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Precedent has always had the 'next' article created immediately after the previous election. I don't know why this is considered 'not notable': it is literally a general election that will occur at some point in the future, issues such as target seats for the next election are already relevant and we will have an opinion poll at some point in the next few weeks. The media will almost certainly start discussing it almost immediately anyway.Mozartnut (talk) 21:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)