Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 8

July 8

Category:District 1 of Zürich

• Propose merging Category:District 1 of Zürich to Category:Altstadt (Zürich)

Nominator's rationale: Same district Solidest (talk) 22:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Jazzland Records (1960) albums

• Propose merging Category:Jazzland Records (1960) albums to Category:Jazzland Records albums

Nominator's rationale: Not sure why two categories were created, but now releases in two categories belong to the same label. The only other label with a similar name also already has its own category: Category:Jazzland Recordings albums. Solidest (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Fictional villains

• Propose merging Category:Fictional villains to Category:Villains

Nominator's rationale: It is always correct to use the word "Villains" only in a fictional context. Such classification is not used in encyclopedias to characterize real humans. Solidest (talk) 22:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh, it was already nominated for merge once Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 10#Category:Fictional villains, but AHI-3000 did a split again a year ago. Solidest (talk) 22:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Bangladesh–Bahrain relations

• Propose merging Category:Bangladesh–Bahrain relations to Category:Bahrain–Bangladesh relations

Nominator's rationale: Duplicates. Solidest (talk) 18:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

  Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Boxing matches at Madison Square Garden

• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at Madison Square Garden to Category:Boxing matches in New York City and Category:Sports competitions in Manhattan
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at Boardwalk Hall to Category:Boxing matches in Atlantic City, New Jersey
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at Caesars Palace to Category:Boxing matches in the Las Vegas Valley
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at the Las Vegas Hilton to Category:Boxing matches in the Las Vegas Valley
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at Manchester Arena to Category:Boxing matches in Manchester
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at Mandalay Bay Events Center to Category:Boxing matches in the Las Vegas Valley
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at MGM Grand Garden Arena to Category:Boxing matches in the Las Vegas Valley
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at Staples Center to Category:Boxing matches in Los Angeles
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at Caesars Palace to Category:Boxing matches in the Las Vegas Valley
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at T-Mobile Arena to Category:Boxing matches in the Las Vegas Valley and Category:Sports competitions in Paradise, Nevada
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at Thomas & Mack Center to Category:Boxing matches in the Las Vegas Valley
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at The O2 Arena to Category:Boxing matches in London
• Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at Wembley Stadium to Category:Boxing matches in London

.:* Propose merging Category:Boxing matches at Wembley Arena to Category:Boxing matches in London

Nominator's rationale: Per the recent discussion and WP:OCVENUE. User:Namiba 16:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Strongly oppose Removing these Categories will severely overpopulate the populated place pages User:Sam11333 16:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

The only one to which that might apply is the Las Vegas Valley and even that won't be massive.--User:Namiba 16:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there is any doubt on that one!

I can't see the logic in removing the venue categories, given that WP:OCVENUE states that "categories that indicate how a specific facility is regularly used in a specific and notable way" can be appropriate. I would argue that a boxing match falls under that description. Sam11333 (talk) 17:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Including these arenas in the boxing venues category is fine. But OCVENUE and the recent consensus I've cited is very clear "avoid categorizing events by their hosting locations".--User:Namiba

Category:Bengali cinema

• Propose renaming Category:Cinema of West Bengal to Category:Bengali cinema, India

Nominator's rationale: The category should be changed since the main article's name was changed from Cinema of West Bengal to Bengali cinema, India. Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• Comment, it is not a straightforward case of WP:C2D because nominator moved the article without RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Mughals

• Propose deleting Category:Mughals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This newly created category seems redundant with Category:Mughal Empire and it's many subcats. Gjs238 (talk) 14:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, the articles are already in Category:17th-century Mughal Empire people. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Jersey equestrians

• Propose splitting Category:Jersey male equestrians to Category:Jersey sportsmen and Category:British male equestrians
• Propose deleting Category:Jersey equestrians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Delete "Jersey equestrians" and dual merge "Jersey male equestrians" per nom. Only one category layer and one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Baltic Germans

• Propose merging Category:Baltic Germans to Category:Baltic-German culture

Nominator's rationale: Three related categories:

• Category:Baltic Germans
• Category:Baltic-German people
• Category:Baltic-German culture

I am not sure which way to merge, but current situation makes a mess Estopedist1 (talk) 11:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

what I think should happen is it should be merged into "Category:Baltic-German people", than the page should be split into a new catigory called "Category:Lists of Baltic-German German people". the "Category:Baltic-German culture" should be made a subcategory of Baltic-German people. Zyxrq (talk) 14:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as parent category of Category:Baltic-German people and Category:Baltic-German culture which are clearly different subcategories. Presumably there is also room for a Category:Baltic-German history. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

  I generally agree. Zyxrq (talk) 20:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Marcocapelle: in general, Baltic Germans (see this article) means "Baltic-German people". Umbrella concept should be something like "Baltic German world" (e.g. Wikidata bundle Wikidata:Q8459480) Estopedist1 (talk) 20:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

  • Ethnic categories are normally organized as a topic category on top and a "people" subcategory for biographies. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Thai television series debuts by decade

• Propose deleting Category:Thai television series debuts by decade (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This is an umbrella category for a whole slew of subcategories, which each have a slew of subcategories. However, each is sparsely populated. This is a logical area for a navigation template, something that there may be a bot already to populate. I am suggesting we discuss this template with a view to incorporating the whole hierarchy of content into a navigation template. If that discussion reaches that conclusion, then processes should be put in hand to populate the template and depopulate the sub and sub-sub categories, which may then be deleted as empty. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. What? Why would we create a template for unrelated entries that users will likely not ever use? This category system is exactly how this should be handled and how it is handled for other countries - see Category:Television series debuts by country and decade. This is a very strange deletion nomination. Gonnym (talk) 07:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The question should perhaps be what to do with the sparsely-populated early year subcats of Category:Thai television series debuts by year. A nomination to merge 1965, 1980, 1990, 1991 and 1999 to their decade parents would probably gain support. – Fayenatic London 08:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• Yes, I would support that. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• For the record, some of the currently-empty subcats were created by วรุฒ หิ่มสาใจ and later emptied by the same editor, having been used temporarily for some series that started and finished within one year. – Fayenatic London 09:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

  It seems they've created a tree that I don't think exists in other countries. Category:1990 Thai television dramas instead of Category:1990 Thai television series debuts and Category:1990s Thai drama television series (see Category:2010s American drama television series). Gonnym (talk) 11:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Cartoon Network Studios pilots and shorts

• Propose splitting Category:Cartoon Network Studios pilots and shorts to Category:Cartoon Network Studios television pilots and Category:Cartoon Network Studios short films

Nominator's rationale: There isn't anything related between a short and a television pilot. This might mean there isn't enough content to justify both categories but that isn't a reason to create this unrelated category. Gonnym (talk) 06:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• Split per nom. Possibly one or both of them should be upmerged to the parent categories in a later stage, but let's first see what the split brings us. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Public art by indigenous artists from the Americas

• Propose deleting Category:Public art by indigenous artists from the Americas (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation to related articles. There is no need to merge, the article is already in other subcategories of the parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Urban development in India

• Propose merging Category:Urban development in India to Category:Urban planning in India

Nominator's rationale: downmerge, no clear distinction, Urban development redirects to Urban planning and there is no tree for Category:Urban development by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Merge as per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 14:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)