Talk:List of Scrubs episodes

My Accident(?)

Have just removed the section referencing S6E16 "My Accident" - I can't find reference to this anywhere on the internet, and there is already an episode (My Words of Wisdom) referenced to 616. Having Ang Lee directing also seems far fetched. I could be wrong, but the text removed follows for discussion:

JD accidentally gives Isabella an overdose of paracetamol causing her to enter a coma. A dramatic end to the sixth series where JD contemplates suicide. (Director Ang Lee)

Oh, and the author has one other questionable edit, changing the whole Osama Bin Laden page to "? I cant edit this page?" (Forgot to sign in) JebJoya 01:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Scrubs episodes revamp

I just completed a total revamp of the article. It borrows from similar listings. It needs a huge number of screenshots now, buts its really late here so I wont be completing them tonight. It also needs production codes for season 5.

Please, where possible, make edits to complete.

CraigF 23:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Dude, great job. I'll make edits where I can, but I'm (sadly) behind on my Scrubs watching. EVula 03:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Your summaries are pretty short. I'd be glad to write up long ones if you need the help.

Flea Man 10:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I actually haven't written any new summaries, those there are from the earlier article revisions. CraigF 10:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

so that means they're uneditable or what? --Flea Man 10:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

It's wikipedia, anything is editable! :) CraigF 18:32, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd love to be able to help. Could you explain how to upload screenshots? Sarahjane10784 17:51, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

You use the 'Upload file' link in the toolbox to the right, then edit the page to include the same markup as the ones i placed in, obviously changing the filename to that which you called the file (I chose the name of the episode). Also, to ensure that pictures are attributed to the appropriate copyright I chose screenshot from tv show and made my screenshots half resolution, and finally, put them into [[Category:Screenshots of Scrubs]]. CraigF 21:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Can we set up a Project: Scrubs? We could create articles for the episodes that don't have them yet. I'd even bother to register on here (so far I've just edited without an account). 86.139.151.239 20:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I added some screenshots, but is it okay that they have the NBC logo in the bottom right corner? Sarahjane10784 00:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a normal thing for a TV screenshot... and the logo is almost invisble on most of the uploaded ones. -- Imladros 12:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Can someone please do a re-check and edit of the tag numbers? season 3 does from 312 to 316, then back to 315, 314 then 317 or something random like that.--58.162.103.251 12:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violations

In some of the article pages, plot descriptions are directly taken from TV.com. For example, the page My Fifteen Seconds (Scrubs episode) appears to come from here. On the Terms of Use page on TV.com, they expressly state that all materials are copyrighted and may not be used on other sites with permission [1]. Am I missing something? --MZMcBride 00:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Blame Thricecube, he seems to be the one behind it, and all of his other episode page creations seem to follow the same pattern. I'm judging that by the fact he always leaves a link to the tv.com recap, he didn't know of any infringement going on. -- Viewdrix 00:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, this was brought up back in May? I just found out that these articles were copyvio two days ago... see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#A_chain_of_at_most_114_copyvio_articles for the discussion. I am leaving a note here to announce that I am removing the plot summaries from the pages that are copyright violations. Hopefully summaries can be eventually rewritten in a unique way. Cowman109^Talk 17:58, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I have removed all the copyvio from the first season that I could find, the only two that I couldn't find to be copyvio were My_First_Day_(Scrubs_episode) and My_Last_Day_(Scrubs_episode). Could someone please confirm that these are not copyvio in any way? Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 18:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I have hopefully cleared all the copyright violations I could find from tv.com and scrubs-tv.com. So, there should be nothing to worry about not - just the first three seasons could use episode summaries if anyone's up to the task, hehe. Cowman109^Talk 19:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Season 6

Apparently season 6 is out before 2007...or am i wrong? --Lewis the Ger 12:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

my transition

i realise spoilers are indicated but i think that the revealing of the episodes revelations (ie Kim and Jordan being pregnant) is abit much. Perhaps the episode should have its own page and the synopsis should be linked from there. I myself use the episode list as a guide to find specific episodes, but what if i hadn't have seen that episode first?

thanks for spoiling it to me now. how ironic, or should I say stupid? signed MJ

Season 6 episodes

I have added another episode to the Season 6 section, confirmed by multiple sources as a musical episode in which a patient with aneurism sees the characters singing as a musical. This episode has been confirmed as the 6th in the season.

According to a video explaining the musical episode of the 6th season, "My Musical" is the 6th episode of the 6th season. (video here: http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=2311 - if you look at the script it says 606 above the title). obbie1kenoby

Also, there may be a mistake with the details of My Mirror Image. In Season 5, Carla got pregnant 8 episodes before Jordan did. This has lead some people to the conclusion that there may be a typo error with the pregnancy lengths given, as the timings on the pregnancies would be illogical. Jordan is listed '14-weeks' the hyphen being used incorrectly, compared to Carla at 9 1/2 weeks. The writer from the source for this (Spoilerfix.com) may have meant 1-4 weeks. EJB341

^Agreed - I believe that Jordan is supposed to be having twins, which is why she is so much bigger so much earlier in her pregnancy. --86.134.239.159 00:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Season 3 Production Order

There is a detail that has been overlooked about the production codes and episode numbers in season 3. Origionally, My Dirty Secret (9th in airing order) was intended to the third episode. When aired on TV, it is sometimes edited to deal with continuity isses arising from that, but not all versions have that edit. Maybe the production codes should be changed, to make My Dirty Secret listed as 303. Bear in mind that this has been done with My Bright Idea and My Chopped Liver in season 5. EJB341

airdate for S06E04

acording to TV squad there will be a episode before Jan 4. "There is actually another new episode next week. So, see you then." citatations could be used with effect on this page --Ehouk1 03:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

According to NBC My Lunch is on 12/21 and I don't know about 12/28. I think we should just leave it alone until we have something concrete. Or get rid of the date completely and say "TBD".--NMajdan•talk 18:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• According to Yahoo! it is also on Thursday.[2] I think it is safe to change it seeing as there is no citation for the original --Ehouk1 02:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry I did not relise that 'My Lunch' was an old episode. I think it is fairly safe to leave it seeing as i can see no other place that says there is a new show next week.--Ehouk1 02:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Further copyvio

Summaries for the upcoming Series 6 episodes have been lifted directly from SpoilerFix.com [3]. I'll attempt to change this now.Heycos 18:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Upcoming episode summaries should be on the episode pages themselves, not the main page.

According to what guideline, or what similar articles? I'm reverting your edit. -- Viewdrix 05:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

see articles for House, and pretty much every other TV Show - it's spoiler control - if people want to find the summaries they can go to that specific episodes page. the spoiler warnings aren't exactly prominint you know. Blythy 03:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The spoiler warnings appear at the top of the page and thus should be assumed to cover the entire page unless a spiler ending is seen; it is not the fault of the article and worth arguably handicapping it if a reader fails to understand this layout. Furthermore, out of the Featured lists that include television episodes, the only List in which future episode plots have been disclosed, List of Stargate SG-1 episodes, include those future plots. No Featured lists include the "Summaries to be written after episode airs" tags, nor do many articles other than House that I can find. In fact, looking at articles in Category:Lists of upcoming television episodes, only List of Gilmore Girls episodes includes the same tag in future episodes. -- Viewdrix 00:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Somone is still lifting upcoming episode snippets directly from Spoilerfix.com [4]... Heycos 15:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Episode screenshots

On January 3, User:Mark83 removed all screenshots from this page, saying "Wikipedia policy is that copyrighted screenshots should only be used for commentary. These weren't commentary, just aesthetic. Will list for deletion shortly" (this edit: [5]). I have restored the screenshots, but not before looking into the issue a bit. This is a debate that's going on right now, at Wikipedia:Fair use/Fair use images in lists (and a couple other places). Now, if the consensus reached is that lists do not constitute fair use, then we should get rid of the images as fast as we can. But, until then, I think the screenshots should stay, mostly because it is quite common for lists of television episodes to include these images. Among these lists are List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes, List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes, List of Planetes episodes, List of The Sopranos episodes, List of South Park episodes, and List of Stargate SG-1 episodes - all of which have been identified by the wikipedia community as Featured Lists. In fact, six of the 8 WikiProject List of Television Episodes Featured lists include screenshots for each episode. So, it is by no means a violation of common practice to include this information. Plus, I think it does provide useful information, and it's information we do have availible, so why not use it? (PS: To join the discussion on Wikipedia policy about this issue, go to Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Fair use images in lists). --Gpollock 08:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The fair use tag that each of these images is licensed under says "It is believed that the use of a limited number of web-resolution screenshots for identification and critical commentary on the station ID or program and its contents [is permitted]". Now there may be a debate going on which may lead to a change in policy, however as it stands the screenshots are neither of a limited number or used for critical commentary. They are used for purely aesthetic purposes (i.e. to make the list look more interesting). The fact that it is common practice is not a sound basis for argument - a lot of editors leave abrasive edit summaries, that doesn't make it OK for me to do so. However I'm happy to leave the images pending debate. Thanks for your comments and drawing my attention to Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Fair use images in lists. Mark83 15:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

If you want to add any of the images back they must contain a Fair Use rationale. This must detail how the image adds significantly to the article (not just it identifies the episode, lots of things, including the title, identify the episode). Remember, Fair Use is for critical commentary, and should be used as sparingly as possible. I imagine for a lot of these images it won't be possible to justify them. ed g2s • talk 17:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

IIRC, your definition of "significantly" and "critical commentary" were insufficiently popular to garner enough support for their use and yield a consensus that fair use images don't belong in episode lists. That said, you really shouldn't speak as though consensus were formed and that your definitions and beliefs are law, let alone wikipedia policy or guideline.

Then again, if I've missed a 4000th thread on the subject and things have changed then I owe you an apology and I humbly request for a link where such consensus was formed and ask why you haven't striped every article of its images. Cburnett 03:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

If you want to fight this, you can. For starters, every screenshot will need fair use rationale. Take a look at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of RahXephon media. It is up for Featured List and has screenshots.--NMajdan•talk 14:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

That's certainly the start. In hindsight I'm suprised people had the nerve to object when they hadn't bothered to add a detailed fair use rationale to the images. Mark83 16:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

OK could we hurry up and decide whether the pictures should go or not (hopefully not) because theres an episode i could find easily before but now i cant. Which should show that they are very useful for people who cant remember the names of episodes like myself. Don.-.J 15:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't speak for others who have objected, however I for one would lift my objection if a solid fair use rationale is added to each image. However your comment about "an episode i could find easily before but now i cant"??. If you're going to use that as a basis for fair use I may have to object! What is the episode? Give me a rough description and I'll give you the title. Mark83 15:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

At the Beggining JD, in his words, does it "wheel barrol style" with a widow.Don.-.J 19:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that would be "My Interpretation" :) Hope this helps. Mark83 19:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

How does that image help you identify the episode with your description?↔NMajdan•talk 14:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I've only seen the show once through early/mid season 3 but that must be the same episode where JD tries to communicate with the german who can't speak english (right dude in the screenshot) by imagining them dancing to 99 Luftballons. The widow was called the TCW: tasty coma wife. I've only seen that episode once so I can't connect sub plotlines. I'm sure the anti-fair use people here will scream by me saying this but a second image on My Interpretation of the widow would connect them for me just fine. Cburnett 15:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Why is this the only article that the administrator in question has seen fit to make a stand on? Every other "List of...Episodes" article I have seen continues to have screenshots attached. What has this article done differently that has meant that screenshots should be stripped? CraigF 12:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

He tried on List of Heroes episodes (check the history) but no one agreed with his interpretation of policy. In fact, his buddy-in-arms deleted all of the screenshots recently based on the informal declaration by the wikimedia board. (Against policy mind you.) You will also note that List of Lost episodes still doesn't have screenshots. Keeping screenshots on LOE articles is basically a war of attrition. Cburnett 17:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I thought "the administrator in question" might be me, but then Cburnett said "He tried on List of Heroes episodes" which rules me out. In any case admin status doesn't give anyone special privilege in disputes/discussions. Perhaps less effort should go into this discussion and more into providing fair use rationales. These are a fundamental requirement for all fair use images and the screenshots in question to not have any fair use rationales. Thanks. Mark83 19:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if my comment was on a tangent, but I figured he was referring to Ed since the comment's indention indicates reply to Ed's post. Anyway, I agree that images need to have rationales. Cburnett 20:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers

I hope everyone realizes that the next 5 weeks or so of descriptions are up on the list of episodes, shouldn't we put some sort of spoiler warning? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.182.167.18 (talk) 03:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

There is, at the top of the page. Spoiler warnings do not end with each section, it ends when you see an "end of spoilers" template. -- Viewdrix 01:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay i didn't see it when i first viewed the upcoming episodes and it ruined it for me ;( oh well thanks to whoever put it up there —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.188.54.173 (talk) 20:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

dates

tv.com and these dates to not match up, anyone else agree?

Vandalism

Someone deleted the 6th season and replaced it with jibberish.

Someone please fix this.

Someone fixed it. It's ok now.

Fix?

Someone's buggered the dividers between "My Cold Shower" and "My Conventional Wisdom". Can someone fix this? 82.45.55.120 16:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks! 82.45.55.120 16:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Use of cast members' names

I noticed that S6 E19 had the name of the cast member after each of their character's name, and commented (several times) on the fact that Elizabeth Banks guest stars. Completely unneccesary, as any guest stars should probably be listed in the episode's individual page and Elizabeth Banks plays Kim, which is more of a permanent role than something that warrants special mention, let alon "guest star"

Methinks someone's just cut'n'pasted the episode summary from a tv guide or spoiler site, which often includes guest stars names. They've just been lazy and neglected to remove these names, in order to keep the ep summaries consistent. --Ninevah 22:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Attempt to create precedent disallowing individual episodes

There is discussion at WP:AN/I#Fancruft_issue_again, and an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kept Man that is attempting to create a precedent disallowing individual episodes. - Peregrine Fisher 18:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

-- Ned Scott 18:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

what?--Jac16888 19:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Writer(s) column not consistent

Can someone with wiki formatting proficiency edit the Writer(s) column? They are inconsistent. Seasons 1-4 have the column occupy the height of the entire episode entry. Seasons 5-6 have the column occupy only the top of each episode entry, like the other columns (Title, Original airdate, Production code, and Director). I would recommend that the Writer(s) column have the seasons 5-6 format, unless someone can explain otherwise. Thank you! Vchao 04:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

i just figured out how to do it, and changed them all to s5-6 format as suggested--Jac16888 14:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The writers/director columns should be remove. It's excessive and over-duplicative to episode pages. Not to mention it double lines on more then one name... Matthew 14:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)