Talk:Slipknot (band)

Archives Archive One: Sep 2004 → July 2006 Archive Two: Jul 2006 → Feb 2007 Archive Three: Feb 2006 → May 2007

nu metal?

i got a question... why in vishnus hairy ass are slipknot mostly ranked as nu metal? They're so little no-metal they can become, sure the first album had a few songs that i should classify as nu-metal, but not much more. Nu-metalist never growl and absolutly raps a lot more wich corey quited with in the first album,whay is that about anyway?

Death Metal

Since Wikipedia runs on "Credible sources" that includes the likes of MTV, even when the genre is so inherently fake that it's mindnumbing, you have to take all credible sources of information and put them to use.

Therefore, I, a fan of all things metal, hereby declare that Slipknot is Death Metal, and I have a source recognized as "credible".

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Di-zXitd8X0

Either Wikipedia rethinks its methods and instead goes by the standard definitions of things instead of taking some tabloid writers words for it, or you trust all "credible" sources even if you know that it's wrong.

Is Slipknot Death Metal? No. Is MTV used as a credible source? Yes. What does MTV say? They're Death Metal.

So even then, with the definition of Death Metal being overly clear, we must include Death Metal in their genre box. You can't say that we can't use the video because it wasn't posted by MTV, simply because they did make it, and they did say it. Doesn't matter where it's hosted.

Slipknot "is" Death Metal.

-Nonviolence 03:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

There is no Wikipedia policy that states: because {statement} was made by a reliable source, it must be included. What the existing policy states is closer to: for {statement} to be included it must be from a reliable source. Since both possible listings are cited, we as editors have a choice: we can list the current set of genres from AMG, we can list the genre from the MTV piece, or we can list the genres from both. Since you think that the Death Metal listing would be asinine, it is apparent to me that of the two you would pick AMG's listing. Now I could explain why the information from your source is dubious, but I see a bigger problem with your goal here than a dubious source or an unqualified reporter. Stating that you outright believe something to be false, yet try to include it here, along with your repeated statements about policy, leads me to believe that you are not concerned with improving the article, but rather causing a disruption to prove a point about policy. If your problem is indeed with policy, discuss on the relevant policy pages, not here. --Wildnox(talk) 07:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I provided evidence that such is true, therefore any point I tried to make is null. Let me say this: Slipknot is as close to "heavy metal" (orchestral vocals, tons of solos, etc.) as they are death metal.-Nonviolence 21:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Then add it to the list of genres you agree with it. Do nothing if you don't. You're not going to manage to use this, or any other article, as a venue to bend policy to further your own opinion. I will not enter into an argument of policy with you, since it is apparent that all you are trying to do is find a way to circumvent WP:V and WP:RS to, as I stated earlier, further your own opinion both here and on another Wikipedia article. Don't act as if you aren't doing this to prove your point about policy, since it is all too obvious and a violation of WP:POINT. --Wildnox(talk) 22:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, is your point that MTV doesn't/shouldn't qualify as a reliable source?--Wildnox(talk) 01:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

i don't think slipknot are death metal cos they don't growl they just shout and scream. i think they are nu metal/alternative metal 88.97.6.98

Thrash Metal

Shouldn't Slipknot be at least partially classified as thrash metal? On Vol. 3, you can hear the thrash influences on such tracks as "The Blister Exists" and "Before I Forget." They credited Slayer as a strong influence on that album. Moreover, they have stated that they would like to expand upon thrash metal riffing on their upcoming 4th album. Dark Executioner 15:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Regardless of any thrash inspired riffing, they're not thrash metal. The rapping vocals, DJ scratches, (mostly) lacking solos, as well as a different song structure completely deny them the chance of being thrash. -Nonviolence 12:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

That could all change with their 4th studio album, Nonviolence.URFG 23:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)URFG

Could, but won't most likely. You don't just change your sound all of a sudden unless you're Metallica. -Nonviolence 23:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm just throwing in my 2 cents, but do either of you(URFG or Dark Ex) actually have a source calling the band Thrash Metal? --Wildnox(talk) 23:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

They're not thrash-metal yet, though they have influences of that on Vol.3. Check www.slipknot1.com, and I'm pretty sure that you'll find the interview w/ Taylor, Crahan and Root stating that Slipknot's 4th opus will be at least partially thrash-metal. Dark Executioner 18:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Vol 3 doesn't have any rapping vocals does it?62.255.33.221 20:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

no User:Rakarno

Injuries section

I'd suggest to delete this section. First because it's a long section, second because it's manly useless for the comprehension of the article. There might be a line about their performances, but we don't probably need a "fan site" section here. I would remove this myself, but it's quite a big section, so I though it would be better to bring this to talk. män-et-arms 00:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the idea of deletion. The section seems like extraneous fan cruft. In the grand scheme of things, none of the injuries seem significant. Also, it's almost an exact copypaste from a fansite listed as a source. I'm actually going to delete the section myself. --Wildnox(talk) 01:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

thank you, boy =)män-et-arms 01:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete itYoustolemyturtle 16:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Vocal Style

"Their early work hosted a large range of vocal styles, ranging from rapping to grindcore-esque growling. In more recent work, this vocal style remains present, but has expanded to include melodic singing and guitar riffs. "

OK, first of all guitar riffs are NOT a vocal style. And also, they've always had singing, since Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat (see "Killers are Quiet"), and if it only refers to since Corey was vocalist (don't see why it should) then listen to say, Wait and Bleed or No Kind of Life, from the self-titled album, notice how both songs feature melodic vocals. 62.255.33.221 20:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Nu Metal

Okay. I think this should be taken out of the genre list. First, anyone who listens to SlipKnoT, knows they aren't Nu-Metal. Limp Bizkit, KorN, are Nu-Metal. They don't sound anything like them. So, to satisfies us maggots, take this out. it's not creidible, and makes slipknot look like n00bs.

Crinkham 05:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC) Crinkham

There are many sources that back up that Slipknot are a nu-metal band – what is written in our articles is defined by verifiable and reliable sources and not by popular demand, or what fans think. (spebi · talk) 10:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

There is a bit of vandalism on this page, but I can't access it to change it; it is invisible in the edit article page ^Talk User:Fissionfox 01:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Where is it? --Wildnox(talk) 01:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Not sure about vandalism but... The "Reformation and New Album" section should be kept separated from the Vol 3. and Hiatus chapter because it's a new chapter for the band. For example, you wouldn't include God Hates Us All info in the Christ Illusion section of the Slayer page, would you? Keep info in its respective place, please. Dark Executioner 20:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner