Talk:Madison Square Garden

Hippodrome Theatre photo

I wonder why there's a photo of the Hippodrome Theatre in this article? The Hippodrome was located on Sixth Ave at 43rd St. Thanks Markhh 18:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the erroneous photo Markhh 00:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

MSG basketball court

is basketball AND ice hockey played on the same court? or is it two seperate courts?

When the Knicks are about to have a home game, the basketball court is assembled on top of the hockey rink. During the Rangers off-season, the rink is melted

First basketball game

According to Madison Square Garden, 100 Years of History (Durso, 1979; ISBN 0-671-24425-6) the NYU-Notre Dame game (NYU 25-18) was the second game of a doubleheader; Westminster beat St. John's 37-33 in the opener. CharlieZeb 03:23, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Dolan family

This facility is owned by the Dolan family of New York. Any more info on that? Jawed 07:05, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

MSG, the television channel

The Garden runs a sports television channel named MSG viewable in the New York area, where I reside, and I wanted to discover if the channel was simply regional or perhaps nationally accessible in some way. It's disappointing to me that both FSN and the defunct venture CNNSI (in addition to cardinal network ESPN) have articles, but not a mention can be found on the 'pedia of MSG's television operations. Ground 04:09, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

NY Liberty game

Someone deleted the first NY Liberty game to be played at the Garden, citing the fact that it wasn't the first professional women's basketball game to be played there. I'm not a big fan of the Notable list in the first place, but I don't see how someone can delete that and leave the Quinnipiac hockey game there which uses the same rationale for a college sports game. Since that game is still on the list, I restored the Liberty game to the list and tweaked the wording so it actually is a first. Besides, the event is mentioned as a notable first on the Garden's own walls. --Jtalledo (talk) 18:32, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Seating capacity and height

The article mentions 20,000 seating capacity for concerts, but how much does it hold for boxing/wrestling events? Also, does anyone know the exact height from the arena floor to the roof of the arena?

"Mass Wedding" in 1982

I put a note about this the other day. In my opinion it was an historical event. If you think otherwise I will not press the point. This is your article after all. Steve Dufour 15:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

It's actually "our" article technically - that's the point of the wiki concept. If you want, you can add it back to the "Historical events" section - it seems to be historically signifcant. Happy editing! --Jtalledo (talk) 17:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I will do that. I just don't want to start any conflict.Steve Dufour 20:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

No prob. Thanks for the heads up. --Jtalledo (talk) 20:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.Steve Dufour 21:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

WWE vs. WCW

I removed the statement about WWE blocking WCW from using the arena. It's uncited and more importantly, it's not relevant in the context of this article. There's enough WWE stuff in the article and this statement is more relevant to WWE and WCW than it is to the Garden. --Jtalledo (talk) 11:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the fact that WWE had such a strong relationship with MSG, that they were able to block their biggest competitor from appearing at the Garden is noteworthy, and belongs in this article. Milchama 11:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Too much WWE in Notable Firsts section

Out of the 13 items listed in 'Notable Firsts', 6 are WWE. I think that only Wrestlemania should be listed. No need for minor PPVs and the Elimination Chamber. What do you think? Milchama 17:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree - I'll remove some of the stuff if it's still there. --Jtalledo (talk) 18:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Performers, artists, bands

What does this mean?

In 2006, Madonna was marked as the performer with most performances played ever at the venue, beating out the Rolling Stones, with 23 performances. The artist who holds the all-time record for the greatest number of appearances at the Garden is Elton John who has played the arena 58 times. The band that played more dates in the Garden than any other is The Grateful Dead, rocking the arena an amazing 52 times from 1979 through 1994.[1]

Elton John has held the most concerts at MSG. The Grateful Dead has played the most concerts as a band at MSG.

Where do Madonna and the Stones fall on this list? The Dead's 52 concerts are significantly more than the Stones' 23. And how many shows has Madonna played at MSG? If its nowhere near the 58 or 52 of Elton John and the Dead, I don't think they should be mentioned as "record holders". Milchama 17:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Since nobody has commented, I am going to remove the "records" held by Madonna and The Rolling Stones, because they need some more clarification. Elton John and The Grateful Dead have the record for most MSG performances by an artist and band, respectively. Milchama 17:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it looks like someone has beaten me to it. Milchama 17:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Separate articles for MSG 1-3?

I propose splitting this article into 5 articles, for each MSG including the proposed new one. They are four (and potentially 5) different venues and shouldn't be bunched together. I'd like to hear pros and cons. Milchama 18:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is we have nearly no info on the first two. Only the third and current. I'd like to see it happen though.

Nyrmetros 21:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC) I'd like to see more information about MSG 1, II, and III as well..... MSG III was a magical place that gave credence and credability to MSG IV....

• The third and fourth versions certainly have enough for separate articles now. The fifth can wait until the talk becomes a little more serious. The first and second would need a little more information. Patken4 01:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

• I added a split suggestion for the third (1925) and fourth (1968) versions. Patken4 01:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
• I'm not from NY or USA for the matter but the article, as it stands, seems a manageable length. Although I know you mean to expand each of the segments as separate articles, my fear is that what remains may be a little bare. Chensiyuan 15:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, do what Chensiyuan said that is the generally accepted protocol. Create subpages with a detailed history, but still summarize the sections in this article. See History of the United States for more details. Quadzilla99 09:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

• How about History of Madison Square Garden ???? WikiDon 01:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Blue seat bias

• Does anyone here besides me think that the ushers were biased towards Rangers fans when the fights occurred and they hauled away the opposing fan? WizardDuck 04:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• Yes absolutely. For many years, the ushers at MSG were Rangers fans themselves, and had good relationships with the season ticket holders in the blue seats who would often 'tip' them generously in order for them to look the other way when it came to the activities of Rangers supporters in the blue seats. When opposing fans would come into the blue seats, the Rangers fans back in the 70's, 80's, and early 90's would give them hell, and the ushers would quietly walk away, and come back a bit later to escort the opposing fan out of the building for creating a scene. Times have changed though and there are no longer any ushers in the blue seats, just security guards who don't care about the Rangers or their passionate fans. In addition, the Rangers fans in the blue seats no longer seem to have that fiery edge that made them famous back in the day. Sure the fans there are louder than most, but that amount of fight betweens Rangers fans and opposing fans is certainly at an all time low for MSG IV. Nyrmetros 15:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• Apparently NYR fans must have enjoyed getting away with hooliganism for the sole reason that the other guy was wearing the opposing team's colors. The non-NYR fan probably didn't even try to ignite it in most cases. WizardDuck 00:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

• Like anything, I'm sure incidents went down 50/50..... with Rangers supporters wanting to have a go with opposing fans for the mere fact that they entered sacred territory (the blue seats), and opposing fans wanting to start trouble away from home. I've seen both happen, though I will say in modern times, the Rangers supporters have refrained from violence in the blue seats unless the opposing fans incited them. Mostly it's just verbal sparring back and forth. Nyrmetros 20:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

50 Greatest Moments

I removed the list of the countdown from "The 50 Greatest Moments at Madison Square Garden". While there's no denial that they are great moments in the Garden's history, the coundown is 100% opinion, and it does not belong in this encyclopedia article. I propose that an article is made on the series The 50 Greatest Moments at Madison Square Garden, which can list the countdown and provide more information on the series. Milchama 12:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Article Quality rating

I have given this article a quality rating of a B. I will be putting it through a peer-review and then nominating it for GA-status as I believe it is quite close. Until then the highest rating that can be given is a B. Acidskater 20:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Felt Forum????!!

What about the Felt Forum? I saw the Ike and Tina Turner review there back 1974.

DavidMIA 13:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

THE DOORS

Someone should add that the Doors had a concert in the Garden. They had it in 1970. If you dont believe me look in the article "THE DOORS:BOX SET.

PROPOSAL: Move parts of this article to: Madison Square Garden, L.P.

I would like to propose that we move:

Madison_Square_Garden#Other_venues & Madison_Square_Garden#Other_corporate_operations

TO:

• Madison Square Garden, L.P.

This article should be about the arena building only.

WikiDon 01:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

spice girls concert

the tour page says December 11 is scheduled for Las Vegas.