Talk:Heroes (American TV series)

Alejandro Herrera

Why was Alejandro removed from the Heroes template and his page redirected? We cant just redirect his page because he died. I thought things in wikipedia werent done with the attitude of what is recent, but rather with the idea that you are getting a full scope of the series. Just because Alejandro has been murdered, does not mean we have seen the last of him...it also doesnt mean his character isnt notable. This needs more discussion, because no one is questioning ted sprague or claudes notability and they were in less episodes. --Chrisisinchrist 00:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Alejandro was redirected, I'm assuming, because his plot is Maya's plot, sans death. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The redirect was removed because the issue of merging is still being discussed. Please go to that page to include your opinion on the discussion if you haven't already.--76.168.220.243 00:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Season 2 Over? Yep

Has it been officially announced that Season 2 is over? The commercials I've seen have just said it's over for the year, not that the season is finished. The only source for this is on the page says that the season might be over, not that it is. Next will definitely be Volume 3, but not necessarily Season 3. Ophois 05:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that we need a citation that season two is officially over, but season one ended in precisely the same way; with the last few minutes being the preface for the next chapter (read: third season). Maybe allow for a bit of free-fall before tucking in. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 06:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Just because Season 1 ended at the same time as Volume 1 doesn't mean anything. Season 2 was supposed to contain Volumes 2 and 3. Ophois 06:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. While the strike has caused a change in how things are airing, there is no official confirmation that the season is over. This isn't speculation, or wishful thinking - just reality. We know that 24 were contracted, we know that 11 have been delivered, and we know that production has been halted due to the strike. What we do not know is how NBC will proceed when the strike ends. At that point, they will have to decide whether to continue with the planned order, to shorten the season, or to just call it "over" as aired. At that point, we'll be able to definitively say what happened. Thoughts? --Ckatz^chat_spy 07:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, it was confirmed; the season is over. I mean, it wasn't like NBC wasn't hawking it as the season finale, but the man wants a citation, he gets a citation. there ya go. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 08:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that citation just reinforces the point I was making: that there is no definite answer yet. To quote, "the final episode of Heroes in 2007, and perhaps the 2007-08 television season." There will be no more episodes in 2007, although that isn't really news since there are only a few Mondays left in the year, and the Christmas pre-emptions are almost here. It also says that "although a winter hiatus was in the cards regardless, the upcoming break from Heroes is of an undetermined length thanks to the writers strike." Again, no definite "season is over" announcement. We'll just have to wait and see (or not see, as the case might be...) --Ckatz^chat_spy 10:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Just saw your note re: cancellation on my talk page... thanks - I rechecked the Variety reference and changed the text to read "indefinite postponement" as per that source. Thanks. --Ckatz^chat_spy 10:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

No worries. I imagine there will be something released soon enough relating the end of the season. I should have read the cite better, and saved you the trouble. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 23:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey folks, I'm trying to not get into an edit war with User Enigmaman over this, though he keeps editing the page to add that this episode is for sure the finale. What can I do, or can I have some help, to avoid getting blocked now that I've reverted at least once? I have asked politely for a reliable source. Thanks and I appreciate the co-editing done by all who regularly contribute! This show deserves folks like us keeping its integrity intact. Magkaz (talk) 06:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Presumed dead?

Here we go again! Same thing happened at the end of Season 1. We all assumed that D.L, Nathan, Peter, Sylar, Candice and Matt Parkman were dead...but they were not. And now we are doing the same with Niki and Nathan. We need to wait until this is verified before we make any assumptions. I mean, we dont know if they died...the episode never confirmed it. Secondly, we made this same mistake last season and look what happened. we all got a slap in the face because no one died. can we please wait until it is verified before we write off characters and say that they have made a final appearance? all the character pages for niki and nathan state final appearance...even monroes page...that is ludacris to me. Let verify...not speculate...thanks. I would really like the editors support on this one.--Chrisisinchrist 06:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree, especially with the new found ability to bring almost anyone back from the dead... --FantajiFan (talk) 22:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I support as Kring told TV Guide that the fates of Nathan and Niki are "up in the air and will be determined when we come back after the strike." Although I do support listing "Powerless" as Adam's last appearance because Kring also said "We've given the audience no reason to believe that Adam can figure a way to get out of there. The fact that he can live forever makes this the most gruesome of internments. If this happened to any of us, at least we'd know we'd soon have the mercy of death. Not here." [1] –thedemonhog talk • edits 22:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for finding hat interview - I've used it to add some out-of-universe commentary to the "Powerless" article. --Ckatz^chat_spy 00:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, after finding this: [2], let's not list "Powerless" as Adam's final appearance either. –thedemonhog talk • edits 04:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Unecessary Spoillers

The "First Season" and "Seccond Season" parts could be put each in a new topic, and locked there. People are using them only to tell about the last chapter. The eleventh chapter just aired yesterday and the text is telling it all, dedicating only a phrase about the ten previous chapters. It is a shame for we, wikipedia colaborators, to see this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.21.97.3 (talk) 09:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

• Sorry, guy. Wikipedia is now considered a complete spoiler zone. All rules regarding spoilers - except, for some reason, literary works - were removed a few months ago. Don't think you're the only one who hates this, too. 68.146.41.232 15:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and as such it is assumed that if you are looking up information on a T.V. show you will find information on that T.V. show. It may seem silly to some but that's the way an encyclopedia works. Fan sites warn about spoilers, encyclopedias present information, as unabridged as possible. Padillah 15:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

the whole 'spoiler' warning and not being added was silly. Who defines how long untill spoilers are added? a day? a week? until the dvd comes out? as long as the information can be verified (by having the ep aired) it should be included. If people are worried about 'spoilers' then they shouldn't look online for information about the show after it's been on tv. harlock_jds 17:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe his criticism was not simply that there are spoilers but that there is undue attention given to the end of a series. Given it probably is very important and may deserve to be elaborated a bit more than the rest but the way it's written right now the information about the ending is quite disproportionate to the rest of the season.FantajiFan (talk) 22:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Dominican Republic?

I removed the reference to Maya being from the Dominican Republic as I can find nothing to support this and it's not mentioned in any episode. The series shows and she and her brother come from somewhere in Central America; there's been no reference to them having come from the island nation (if they did, why would they try to enter the US from Mexico when a boat trip tp Florida would be much more efficient). If there is an on-screen reference to them being from the DR that I missed, please feel free to revert. If this is something indicated in the graphic novels, then this has to be sources. There's nothing to support the DR connection in the article on Maya, either. 68.146.41.232 15:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Interview with one of the writers

Interesting, although Maya and Alejandro come from the Dominican Republic.

Padillah 21:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Molly's powers

Heroes Interactive, which runs on NBC.com concurrently during the episodes, stated that Mollys powers are Clairvoyance. Is this a verifiable source for us to use Clairvoyance as her abilities name, rather than remote viewing?--Chrisisinchrist 17:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a reliable source. Who is doing the commentary on that again? Official Heroes folks, right? Magkaz (talk) 14:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Heroes interactive runs on NBC.com and is designed to be watched concurrently with the episode. they ask trivia and give out show facts as you watch certain scenes. its official--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 17:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Removal/new placement of Simone Deveux as a main character

Wouldn't it be appropriate to remove Simone Deveux as one of the main characters, as she died a long time ago, and haven't been featured in in the show for quite a while? Wikiburger (talk) 13:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

We aren't the ones who decide if a character is "Main" or not, NBC and the producers do that. She was listed as a main character in Season one so we have to list her as a main character, at least for season one. Padillah (talk) 13:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget that this is an encyclopedia. Just because the character isn't on the show anymore doesn't change the fact that she was once a part of the show and was once a "main character" in the shows credits. dposse (talk) 18:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

FAQ section for this talk page?

Hey folks, I was wondering if it is Wiki-appropriate or even possible to put a header at the top of this talk page that mentioned some of the more "frequently asked questions" that we tend to get here? This main/sub characters issue and season 1 & 2 issue is going to drive me batty... Thoughts? Have I just been up too late on Wiki and the upcoming lack of heroes is making me antsy...? Thanks! Magkaz (talk) 14:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing myself and have the same question about wiki-ness. Thanks for putting it into words. Padillah (talk) 14:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Please see WP:IINFO. "Wikipedia articles should not list FAQs. Instead, format the information provided as neutral prose within the appropriate article(s)." dposse (talk) 18:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Not the article, this talk page. So that when people start to post questions about main characters they'll see what the criteria is and not bother. It'd be nice to have the several different types of criteria we have for article inclusion posted somewhere that we can refer occasional contributers. Padillah (talk) 18:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd object to a lengthy thing, like was recently done for archive 8, but if one wanted to state as an intro section something to the effect of:

(Title) Commonly discussed topics:

Some topics have been discussed before, and reading the appropriate archived material may answer your question. Sections on the symbols can be found link link link. Sections on the article's cast list are link link link, sections on reporting of powers link link link, and of plot reporting link link link.

In fact, I think those pretty much ARE the repeating topics, aren't they? How would that be. Add an out-comment that the section should not be archived, but instead, updated at each archiving, and we'd have it. It looks like it would be about four lines, all said and done, and would give new editors, and new project participants, a cribnote for getting up to speed. ThuranX (talk) 21:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Great, so do-able, yes? Is there anything I can do? My wiki-formatting skills aren't as great as some of yours, though I'd be happy to contribute... It, in fact, does seem to be just a handful of constantly repeated topicsMagkaz (talk) 03:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

It would be a good idea to follow Talk:Arrested Development (TV series)/Archive index. thedemonhog talk • edits 22:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Milo Ventimiglia: 'We ran out of stuff to shoot'

[3] I found this news article that says that the ratings of the finale were low and that they "ran out of stuff to shoot". I suppose that it goes in the Ratings section, but i'll leave it up to you. dposse (talk) 17:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion for Episode Summaries

How does everyone feel if the episode summaries were condensed into a list, rather than prose, basically listing the major plot points of the episode, rather than having them as detailed as they current are? Example:

Powerless

• Peter and Monroe head to Primatech Paper in Odessa Texas, to steal the virus strain 138, and destroy it. Hiro attempts to stop them, but is outpowered by Peter.
• Angela Petrelli reveals that she didnt betray Monroe at first, but that Linderman, Arthor Petrelli and herself beleived in Monroe. She learns of Victoria Pratts murder and that Peter is alive. She tells Matt how to kill Peter if he becomes too dangerous.
• Peter realizes that Monroe murdered Hiro's father. He is convinced by Nathan that Monroe is evil, and that his true intent for the virus is to release it.
• Monroe reveals to Hiro that he beleives he is a God and that the world needs to be washed clean.
• Hiro, releazing that Monroe can not be killed, teleports Monroe and buries him alive in a Japenese cementary.
• Peter, Nathan, Matt and Hiro sucessfully stop Monroe from releasing the strain 138 of the Shanti Virus.
• An assasination attempt is placed on the life of Nathan Petrelli by an unknown shooter, after Nathan attempts to expose the Company and reveal his ability to the entire nation. His fate is unknown
• Monica is capture by a gang after attempting to recover Micah's stolen comics and his father's metal. Monica is locked in an abandon building, which is set a fire by a gang member.
• Niki rescues Monica from the building, however, she is unable to escape herself. The building explodes while Niki is trapped inside. He fate is unknown.
• Claire attempts to expose the Company. West does not support her plans. Fearing exposure, Bob Bishop makes a deal with Noah Bennet to keep his family safe and protected. The deal is Noah must come back to the Company. The Bennets discover that Noah is still alive.
• Mohinder is taken hostage by Sylar, who has come to Suresh for help in getting his powers restored. Maya discovers that Sylar used her and, with the help of Molly Walker, she also discovers that he murdered her brother Alejandro. Sylar shots Maya in the chest, and killing her. Sylar then prompts Suresh to use the mixture of Claire's blood and Mohinder's blood to regnerate Maya, which he does.
• At the Company, Bob is disappointed in Elle. In an effort to get abck into her fathers good graces, Elle goes on a mission to stop Sylar.
• Elle chases Sylar away, but not before he steals Mohinder and Claire blood mixture, thus curing himself of the virus and restoring his abilities introducing Volume 3: Villians.

What does everyone thing of this method? If you dont like it, we still do it in prose, just make the articles less detailed, because they are currently very long.--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 22:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

This proposal belongs on the WP:HEROES talk page, not here. Frankly, I think that even less than that is needed, but I think many will find that a good compromise. ThuranX (talk) 23:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Agree re: the proper location for discussion, disagree with the structure. The plot summary should be written as prose, not point-form notes. (It might be useful for discussion purposes, however, to use such a format on the talk page to reach consensus on what the key points are.) --Ckatz^chat_spy 00:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Somewhere in the manual of style guidelines, it says to use prose when possible. The plot summaries for numerous pages of Heroes WikiProject should be condensed and those of episode articles should generally be under 450 words. –thedemonhog talk • edits 00:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

This discussion has also been added to the wikiproject page for those who are more concerned about where the discussion is taking place rather than what is being discussioned. smile...life is short people--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 01:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

You owe three editors a swift and clear apology here. CKatz, DemonHog and myself all respected you, you did not respect us with your reply. All three of us complimented and took seriously your efforts, all three of us also mentioned that you should move it for wider response from the project. To assert that we don't care about content, just formalities is dismissive, snide, and insulting to all three of us. Consider this a formal, personal [[WP:CIVIL}incivility]] warning from me to you. ThuranX (talk) 02:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I apologize that you interpreted my sarcasm in the way that you did. I apologize that you took my comment so seriously. I apologize to those who are reading this apology, because it probably would have been more appropriate on my personal talk page, rather than in this public forum, seeing how this was a personal message to me that is now being posted for all the users to read. ThuranX, I have to utmost respect for you. I think you are great at what you do here at wikipedia, and you are top notch when it comes to editors. So, I apologize if you were offended. I am also sorry if this apology seems a little condescending. I am also sorry that you misunderstood my comment. I placed the information on this discussion board, as it relates to Heroes...and this discussion board is a lot more active than the one on the Project page, which has been a dead discussion board for some time. The wikiprojects discussion page goes weeks sometimes without anyone posting their points of view or opinions. So, I placed it here. I also dont feel that it is necessary for three people to tell me to repost my discussion on the project page. One person can suggest it, and that should have been the end of that...but I am not an idiot and I dont need all of you to repeat the same thing to me. So, I apologize that you felt like I was an idiot. I also aplogize for your confussion because you seem to think that you can tell me what I owe...that seems to be a violation of WP:Civil and you should be checked on that as well. You used to word assert in your above statement, which sounds very speculative to me. Has that assertion been verified? Also, for you to threaten me and say Consider this a formal, personal warning from me to you that sounds like a violation of WP:Civil as well. Please consider that and lets get back to the process of improving this article. If you want to send me a message the next time, please send it to my talk page as it states in the WP:Civil policy. Also, please do not attempt to interpret my tone of voice in my writting...you simply can not do that. --Chrisisinchrist (talk) 02:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Survival of the fittest

The teacher in episode 2-1 says the phrase "survival of the fittest" is from Darwin. That is wrong. It is from Herbert Spencer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest). I wonder if they really didn't know or wanted to bring Darwin for any cost. How can we put this info into the page? I didn't find a section for errors and trivia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.55.115 (talk) 22:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

This information is better for a fansite such as the Heroes Wiki and should not be added to Wikipedia. Sorry, –thedemonhog talk • edits 23:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Characters section

....before you get all mad thinking this is another suggestion stating a way to change the characters section, think again. I just really wanted to say that it looks GREAT with the table. Good job. (Wikirocks2 (talk) 03:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC))

Thanks...I worked on it this afternoon. I saw the format on the LOST page and thought that it would look really great on the Heroes page. I just reformatted it to fit the heroes info. i am glad you like it.--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 05:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Plot summary (again)

Now that season two is over, I've gone ahead and attempted to make a concise synopsis, wanted to get your opinions before it goes live.

The second season's story begins four months after the events of "How to Stop an Exploding Man". The characters deal with the upheavals in their lives as a result of the first season, and are now trying to adjust to their new lives. For example, the Bennet family is forced to move to evade the Company; Peter is left without his memories; and Sylar has lost his powers.

A central plot in the first part of the season revolves around an unknown person who is attempting to kill the original founders of the Company. Eventually, it is revealed that the killer is Adam Monroe, and that he intends to release a virus that will destroy a majority of the human population. In "Powerless", the season finale, several characters join forces and successfully stop him from releasing the virus.

I think specifics are best handled in the episode articles, so I tried to avoid those for the most part. Thoughts? --iTocapa ^t 06:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I say post it...its great. but, we still need to touch on hiro and maya...maybe a few more specifics and some more about the company, as they seemed to be central to the story this volume.--Chrisisinchrist 06:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I removed the last paragraph of Generations plot summary, but I'm sure it will be reverted. I did it because the summary is too spoiler like, and it seems that is has been written only to state the season conclusions. Genisis has a great summary because even though it describes the season, it does not say exactly what happens. I think that is the kind of summary we need to achieve for Generations. (Wikirocks2 (talk) 04:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC))

You should probably discuss this before you make the change. I see someone already reverted it back. I like it the way it is...wikipedia policy on spoilers is that we dont place spoiler warnings. it doesnt mean we are supposed to post conclusions, it just means that we dont have to warn people about it. i think if you are looking up heroes and the season 2 volume 2 is over, you should expect to find definitive information, including the end result. --Chrisisinchrist (talk) 05:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually Wikirocks2, you are right. the season one doesnt really have spoilers, but it is more so an overview of the season. i think for the sake of consistancy, the season two section should give just an overview as well, instead of a complete plot summary and conclusion. so yeah, i think we should format the season two section the same as the season one, giving a brief overview of what the characters major trail is for the volume.--Chrisisinchrist ([[User talk:Chrisisinchrist|talk]]) 05:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow! I'm shocked! Someone agrees with me for once! lol, im joking and being serious at the same time....anyways I'm glad to see someone acknowledges what I have to say. I know about the policy on spoilers, but I don't like it when they are uneccessarily used. The plot summary of Generations hasn't been changed yet, and I would do it, but I think it would be reverted by someone saying it isn't good enough. The first paragraph is fine, but I think it would be better changing

Though the primary story arc of the second season is not touched upon until the seventh episode, the plot mainly focuses on the Company, the Shanti virus and its potential effect upon the world's population. An amnesiac Peter inadvertently travels to the future and makes a horrifying discovery: in one year, 93% of Earth's population will be dead, due to the Shanti virus.

to

Though the primary story arc of the second season is not touched upon until late in the season, the plot mainly focuses on the Company, the Shanti virus and its potential effect upon the world's population.

Just a trim down, otherwise I'm not too sure. (Wikirocks2 (talk) 10:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC))

Massive Merging of Character Articles

I disagree with all the massive merging that is taking place for all the recurring characters. Most of their pages are being merged without concensus. Eden's page was merged and only two users discussed it and made the decision. Why are these articles being merged? I thought this was a encyclopdia where a complete scope of the series was to be presented. We cant delete articles because a character is dead...no one remain dead on the series anyway. We cant continue to edit the Heroes pages based on what is happening in the moment and what is most recent.

Someone has attempted to Merge Molly Walker, Ted Sprague, Claude, Alejandro Herrera and Eden McCain to the List of Minor Characters page without enough concensus to do so. I strongly disagree with that. We cant just scrapped their articles because the characters are either dead or not current on the series. Users worked very hard on those character pages and they are important to whomever created them. This issue need to be discuss more before pages are redirected and merged. Redirects are often time just a sneaky way to delete an entire page. Those five character pages need review by a wide scope of people dedicated to the Heroes project, rather than a few users.--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 05:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I honestly agree. No one is talking about deleting Angela Petrelli or the Haitian's articles because they are still alive. I think everyone just wants to delete the articles of the characters whom are dead. I heard one editor say the word recentism and I totally think that is the case here. We shouldn't base the articles on recentism because at some point we did feel these characters were notable, and now that we have not seen them for a while, We want to delete them. I say leave Ted, Eden, Molly and Claude alone. Alejandro too. I kinda agree. This may be against Wikipedia policy, but some users did spend a lot of time putting those articles together. Why should we delete them? I thought at Wikipedia, you could write about anything that people cared about, as long as the information could be verified by an outside source. Those articles are sourced and some user cared enough to create them. I say don't merge. Wikipedia policy says articles can be as long as they want to be as long as the information is true. They are all notable characters. Also, I looked on the various pages for these characters and none of them seemed to have enough concensus to merge if you ask me. Eden's talk page doesn't even have any discussion at all.--Twrighto2o (talk) 05:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

To begin with, i just took the time to replace all the caps you used in every word of your post. i am not sure why you did it, but please don't do it anymore, as it is simply too hard to read. You'll find that your words are taken more seriously when you simply write what you want to say instead of trying to make it different from other folks'.

That said, one of the main rules of Wikipedia is that is you cannot take being ruthlessly edited, WP is not the place for you. As well, while WP is big enough for all materials, there is a standard size for most articles. There's more to say, but I will let other editors pipe in at this point. Fixing your post rather tuckered me out. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Lol...you are funny user:Arcayne. Just for future reference, next time copy and paste into a word doc and then go to format and they have a function that says change case. i dont kow if mac have the function but i know PC does...--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 18:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Online Show

Why is there no info on the creat a Hero show that will be an online show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.137.237 (talk) 14:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

That's in the article. It's under "Other promotions". dposse (talk) 16:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Symbolism revisited

I'm going into this discussion with some trepidation, though I was wondering if the "now-deleted-and-redirected-here Symbolism/Recurring Elements/ Mythology page ( List of elements in Heroes ) " could be re-instated? It was swiftly deleted and redirected to this main page in November and I just didn't have the energy to argue it. To clarify, I think the section on this main page looks great and uncluttered, I don't think that should change. However, I am now noticing that some folks are now re-adding the deleted info to this main page and are starting to mess with it's pretty little format, thus giving us more cleanup to keep up with. I'm wondering if it isn't too much to re-instate a separate place for them to add that info (in an encyclopedic and verifiable way of course) so that those who are looking for it, have a reference and an outlet. I personally like having a separate article available as a reference. Thoughts? Thanks. I will drop this issue if I'm outvoted. I've also posted this to the Project page. Magkaz (talk) 19:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I will support this based on the arguement above--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 21:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Can we just have one place specified to discuss issues? Duplicate topics are being posted here and there and replied to everywhere. Anyway, reinstating the article does not seem to solve the problem; it seems to avoid it. As it has been said before, lisiting every appearance of the helix is unnecessary. We know that it appears a lot and that is good enough. If people want to re-add the deleted info, then revert it and direct them to the archived discussion, WP:WAF or WP:NOT. –thedemonhog talk • edits 21:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I think this is the reason why the user titled this discussion "Symbolism Revisited" becuase it was an old discussion that someone wanted to reopen. Key word: revisited.--76.168.220.243 (talk) 22:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Plot Summary (again) (again)

Please read the discussion above before reading here.

I am still a bit frustrated that the Generations plot summary hasn't been changed. But I understand that the conversation was really on between Chrisisinchrist and I, and two people isn't enough to make a decision. Are we going to change the plot summary? (Wikirocks2 (talk) 04:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC))

Emerson Lawsuit Removal?

Does anyone else think its time to take the reference to the Emerson Lawsuit off of the main page? It's not that important to the whole show.

Alank47 (talk) 12:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)