Talk:Bare-knuckle boxing

Question. If you have a count of 30 to end a round, how does the fight end at count of 10? Just curious, I don't know much about these rules. JN322 15:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Fight Club

"However, some underground bare-knuckle clubs do still exist. Many small venues appeared in the late 1990s and early 2000s, many people cite the movie Fight Club as inspiration for this, but the film does not promote or glorify the 'sport' in any way and despite the movies' title it contains very little actual bare knuckle fighting."

I don't know... anytime you show top movie stars participating in an activity you are "promoting" it. The notion that "[Fight Club]]" doesn't promote fight clubs "in any way" is absurd. The writer didn't see the movie, or has a POV axe to grind. $Insertformulahere$

YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 03:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Fisticuffs History

The history of Fisticuffs is mentioned in the article and credits the sport to the ancient Greeks. Does that not seem more than a little absurd, considering that boxing is perhaps the most basic sport in any culture? I'm not sure if my point is a valiad one, as we are looking for historical evidence, but perhaps this should be mentioned. --Dark Green 23:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Modern Fisticuffs

There are xamples of the practice still taking place, where it doesn't fit into the definition of boxing (for obvious reasons) and it's not street fighting because they are organized fights with rules. Some examples are Kimbo Slice's fights, other fights that can be found on youtube (like Irish gypsies) and Russian All-Round Fighting fisitcuffs (also can be found on youtube)... --Mista-X 21:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Youtube and the movie "fight club" are your justifications? Wow, how can one argue with that? Turtlescrubber 21:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say anything about the movie Figh Club, and I don't need "justification". IMO underground bareknuckle fights are fisticuffs, and not boxing. Read the two articles carefully and tell me what Kimbo and other internet bareknuckle fights are closer to. If you are saying Kimbo was a boxer, then what boxing club did he train at? Who was his coach? What is his rank, etc. etc? --Mista-X 21:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Turtlescrubber, please stop removing my addition simply as original research without giving justification. I don't think there is anything wrong with what I have added. It seems to me that you have some problem with Kimbo Slice being called a Bare-knuckle boxer. I want to ask you, what would you call his underground fights? If I organized similiar fights with my friends, what would you call it? It is what it is, stop trying to pretend it's something else. At the very least, take it to talk. --Mista-X 18:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

First of all, you need to apologize for your rude remarks towards me and remove them from this page, the Kimbo Slice page and your talk page. Second, some of your sources are circular, some go to youtube and most are completely unreliable. Third, bare knuckle boxing is a sport and not a fighting style unless you lived in the 18th or 19th century. Bare knuckle boxing is dead and this page should reflect that fact. As for fighting in your backyard, I would call it some kids with a camcorder smacking each other around. Backyard wrestling, underground fighting, sparring, whatever you want to call it, but not the sport of bare knuckle boxing (which predates modern boxing). Turtlescrubber 00:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I do apologize for the remarks, and I removed them. Also, your view is just a matter of opinion. If people are doing bare-knuckle boxing matches, than that's what it is, no matter how unprofessional or crappy you view it as. If you train for the purpose of fighting in this sort of match, then you are training in Fisticuffs and consequently that is your "style". I have trained in Savate (kickboxing) in which you wear gloves, but have also trained Bare-knuckle Russian style and Street style Savate (also bare-knuckle) and I can tell you, and any boxer will tell you, that punching with gloves on and with none are two very different things that require different approaches and knowledge. I can give you examples if you like. As for the sources, you are right that they are not that great, with the exception of the Irish Voice and USA Today articles which seem to be legit media sources. The source on the "Pikey" videos is sketchy, however video doesn't lie. They are definitely fighting without gloves. I would like to include the fact that there are still people, around the world, fighting in a style that resembles and/or shares similarities with old fisticuffs. Perhaps there is some way we can come to a consensus on this and find wording that suites what you believe appropriate. But given the facts, I don't think it should be excluded altogether. I also don't see how you view this as "original research" though. --Mista-X 16:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Many fights have been recorded by newspapers or on video in Ireland and elsewhere that clearly follow strict boxing-style rules but do not involve wearing gloves. To say that bare-knuckle boxing has disappeared is absurd. Boxers in these videos can sometimes be seen standing as was common in the prize-ring era and can often be seen throwing similar punches to those described through sketches and manuals drawn and written when the sport was at its most popular.

Count to thirty or to ten?

Someone that knows for sure ought to fix that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.58.223.36 (talk) 11:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

It was thirty under London Prize Ring Rules but in Bartley Gorman's autobiography he says he had on onlooker count to ten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.163.191.229 (talk) 19:32, 6 January 2008 (UTC)