Talk:Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China

wording

The wording of this article is highly pro-TGIE. We need to fix it until NPOV is reached. For example, the PRC government and even ROC claims/ed Tibet according to the Succession of states principle. Wording like PLA invasion is accepted while "Chinese invasion" and the table are unquestionably POV--218.189.215.153 (talk) 08:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

article title

Title changed as the original one is unquestionably POV.

• The Tibetan government-in-exile of course considers PLA's action as invasion, BUT
• Beijing insists that the PLA crossed Tibet-Xikang border after the seventeen-point agreement was signed
• Tibet's acceptance of subordination to Chinese suzerainty predated the founding of the PRC. E.g., Simla Convention of 1914 and Kashag's Ten-point statement during the Huang Musong Mission
• PRC claimed Tibet Region according to the internationally-accepted Principle of Succession of States. MainBody (talk) 10:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

the word invasion is the best describe. Please discuss before changing again--TheFEARgod (Ч) 13:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

"the word is the best describe" and it is your argument? Obviously, as MB clearly stated, having invasion in the article title obriously violates NPOV(per points [2],[3] and [4] above) 219.79.27.241 (talk) 14:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

motivation/causes

This is enormously frustrating. I posted changes after seeing that this encyclopaedic entry runs contrary to any normal description of an invasion. There is reference to an invasion and then it segues in a nonsensical way to the 17 point agreement - gibberish without clarity for anyone who is not a Tibet-China scholar. We have the right to read about an invasion and its details clearly and succintly, not in code that normal elementary school students wouldn't understand, or anyone else for that matter. There needs to be a clearly writeen section describing the run up, the motivation behind, the execution of and finally the results of the invasion. An invasion, by the way, even if some may apparently be loath to hear, is only rarely not an act of agression under international law, and is proscribed in modern times.

Here is what I tried to enter, and then it was almost immediately taken down.

" In 1949, the People's Republic of China was formally proclaimed. On 7 October 1950, the PRC carried out an armed attack against the neighboring independent country of Tibet. As a consequence of the invasion by the Chinese People's Liberation Army, Tibet lost its independence - a condition that continues to exist."

Someone keeps changing it back to the cryptic stuff that is currently posted. I am not going to suggest I did a great job, it was a quick edit, but it is true and it is to the point, it does not obscure what happened. I wonder who it is among Tibet's neighbors who is interested in obscuring what took place? The near-instantaneous reversions of the text to confusing prose is impressive, someone very badly wants what transpired in Tibet to not be told on Wikipedia.

Everywhere else in Wikipedia belligerents are countries, here it keeps getting changed back to armies! Talk about ham-fisted propagandistic obfuscation! As if China had not been the belligerent on one side and independent Tibet on the other.

I refer the reader to Wikipedia itself for a no-nonsense description of Hitler's invasion of Poland in 1939: this is a good example of a way to tackle the job, in place of the tendentious and substandard "Invasion of Tibet (1950-1951) that currently drags down the reputation of Wikipedia.

I quote: "The invasion of Poland marked the start of World War II in Europe, as Poland's western allies, the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand,[6] declared war on Germany on September 3, soon followed by France, South Africa and Canada, among others. The invasion began on September 1, 1939, one week after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and ended October 6, 1939, with Germany and the Soviet Union occupying the entirety of Poland. Although the United Kingdom and France declared war on Germany soon after Germany attacked Poland, very little direct military aid was provided (see Phoney War and Western betrayal).

Following a German-staged "Polish attack" on August 31, 1939, on September 1, German forces invaded Poland from the north, south, and west. Spread thin defending their long borders, the Polish armies were soon forced to withdraw eastward. After the mid-September Polish defeat in the Battle of the Bzura, the Germans gained an undisputed advantage. Polish forces then began a withdrawal southeast, following a plan that called for a long defense in the Romanian bridgehead area, where the Polish forces were to await an expected Allied counterattack and relief.[7]

On September 17, 1939, the Soviet Red Army invaded the eastern regions of Poland in cooperation with Germany.[8] The Soviets were carrying out their part of the secret appendix of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which divided Eastern Europe into Nazi and Soviet spheres of influence.[9] Facing the second front, the Polish government decided the defense of the Romanian bridgehead was no longer feasible and ordered the evacuation of all troops to neutral Romania.[10] By October 1, Germany and the Soviet Union completely overran Poland, although the Polish government never surrendered."

I rest my case--Sean Maleter (talk) 22:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the intro to this article as it stands is not very clear. But, wouldn't the language you suggest show a clear political bias?—Nat Krause^{(Talk!·What have I done?)} 16:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)