Talk:Jeremiah Wright

There is a typo (search for United State with no "s"). I would fix it but can't be bothered to register. --196.40.10.254 (talk) 07:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding his relations with the Obama campaign, I think it would be more accurate to state that he has resigned from the campaign rather than that he had been removed. The latter claim, one that is currently made on the Jeremiah Wright page, is one that is has not been confirmed by any major media outlet. 68.196.228.245 (talk) 03:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC) 1mpossible

How can a United Church of Christ congregation have a "chosen" successor? Something is wrong here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.8.49 (talk) 15:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

-this isn't the "Church of Christ" even though that's in its name--it's a stand-alone church, not part of any denomination, so they don't follow any rules of any major denomination.--Todd (talk) 20:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

--Actually, Trinity United Church of Christ is a member of the United Church of Christ denomination. This congregation can have a "chosen successor" first and foremost because UCC churches are highly autonomous, and second, because they called in the successor (Rev. Otis Moss III) over a year ago as part of a transitional process to Rev. Wright's retirement. Obietom (talk) 14:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

One need only listen to his sermons to quickly determine if he is racist and/or anti-American. His statements of, "God damn America" should be prima facia evidence of an anti-American belief structure.76.189.133.191 (talk) 14:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

The legal standard of prima facie evidence, is by definition, only one of "first blush", and is generally insufficient without an "in context" and thorough examination of the full record with all the facts. Given the failure of these constantly aired and sensationalized "clips" to provide either of those, the statements themselves are really "evidence" of nothing, your hyperbole and ill-advised extrapolations, notwithstanding. Their rather transparent, constant repetition is obviously designed to elicit unthinking, purely visceral reactions. Pity, you allowed yourself to be so easily manipulated. 208.127.96.219 (talk) 10:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope, the clips reflect accurately what is on the whole tapes, and in context. Visit the sites where they are available in all their inglory and see that. The pompous and windy statement above denying Wright's plain views seems to have been drawn up by Algonquin J. Calhoun, [the Kingfish's lawyer on the old 'Amos 'n Andy show]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.69.80.201 (talk) 09:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Has the above individual viewed ALL the YEARS of tapes to place those very brief clips in their proper "context"? The suggestion that this individual has indeed done that is not only highly doubtful, but laughably absurd on its face. Since even a cursory review of the entire catalogue would reveal far more balance than this individual has demonstrated here. Seriously, the only "pompous and windy" statements are those above, which by virtue of their specious and wholly inappropriate reference to a dated and unapologetically racist "entertainment" program of the early 1950's, speaks volumes about the writer's own transparent agenda. Any further discussions on prima facie evidence of racism can begin right there. 208.127.96.219 (talk) 11:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Controversy

I removed the item about the award for Farakhan since he had nothing to do with it other than the award being named after him. - Maximusveritas (talk) 23:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and kept it in this time since it works in the context of the other connection to Farrakhan. I moved it to the Obama section since that's the context in which these controversies have arisen. Also, I took out the bit from the NY Post editorial since that's a poor source. Maximusveritas (talk) 01:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

-In the Youtube video is that is cited as footnote 19, the only thing that thing Wright talks about is Clinton's lack of understanding of the black experience. There is no mention of 9/11, whites as oppressors, etc. Therefore, I intend to delete those references, as they are inaccurate, and not backed by the source cited. Also, perhaps indicative of the contributor's reliability, the word "reiterate" is misspelled.--Tkhorse (talk) 18:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

--The source cited in footnote 22 is Brian Ross's ABC News Blotter, a website that has been controversial in the past due to its predilection for inflammatory and attention-grabbing headlines, many of which have later turned out to be false or without foundation. Although the website has broken news stories in the past, it is a site for rumors and tips, and is comparable in some aspects to Page Six of the New York Post, except not in a celebrity or style context. The language used is often hyperbolic and intended to shock. It is therefore misleading to imply that the source is, and it is not comparable to, the television ABC News.

I have retained all the original quotations, but have made the language more neutral, less inflammatory, and in conformity to the Wikipedia philosophy and guidelines. --Tkhorse (talk) 02:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you on the YouTube citations. They were misused and are not proper sources anyways, other to provide additional content on top of a reliable source saying that these remarks were controversial. The ABC News blog seems reliable enough as it's now gotten play on television and Obama addressed the controversy himself. - Maximusveritas (talk) 05:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

--The current version is a great improvement, and I agree the changes. In my previous edit, I had tried to respect the additions by the previous author, and kept many of the quotes from the ABC website. But I agree that the current summary and use of selected representative quotes is much more informative and even-handed. --Tkhorse (talk) 11:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

--An Op-Ed article on the Wall Street Journal editorial page, whose bias is well-known (as opposed to its generally even-handed news pages) by an author with known partisan views is not a reliable source. In addition, the sentence language is inflammatory and misleading, and therefore, is not in accord with Wikipedia principles. --Tkhorse (talk) 14:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

--There should not be unattributed quotations. "Citation needed" is not an acceptable way to contribute information. The concatenation of quoted phrases into one sentence is literally the definition of taking quotes out of context. --Tkhorse (talk) 22:44, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

--Fox News and Newsmax are sources with well-known bias, and are therefore unreliable as neutral sources. They do not meet the standards of reliability and POV neutrality of Wikipedia. Moreover, the quotes are taken out of context, and concatenated in an inflammatory and misleading fashion. --Tkhorse (talk • contribs) 00:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

How can you say Fox News is "well-known" for its bias? Half the country says CNN and ABC are biased, the other half says Fox News is biased. The fact is, neither is biased as far as *hard news*; their editorial slants may lean one way or another. By excluding hard news quotations from the organization that is number 1 in cable news ratings and is rarely wrong in its hard news reporting you are showing yourself, rather, to be extremely biased. Jsn9333 (talk) 14:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

This is not the place to get into an extended debate about the bias of Fox News. I refer you to the Wikipedia guidelines on neutrality and reliable sources. I don't disagree with you that CNN and ABC are also often problematic. I have noted above that the ABC Blotter (Brian Ross) website has an especially poor reputation for sensationalizing rumors. It would not ordinarily be considered a reliable and neutral source, but it is cited in the entry because it "broke" the news (although the topic has been previously discussed in other publications).--Tkhorse (talk) 17:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

This is the place, however, to debate whether or not Wrights words that, "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color." Are worthy to be reported to readers interested in "controversial" things Wright has said (that is the topic heading of the section, after all). In reality, the only reason "Fox News" vs. "ABC News" got brought up is because the user who deleted the quote said the reason he did it is because Fox is "biased". I'm not debating if Fox is biased (or if ABC is). The fact is that the above quote is probably the most controversial thing the man has said, and readers deserve to know about it without people denying them access to that knowledge because "ABC" is so much less biased then "Fox". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsn9333 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything wrong with Fox News as a source, but I found another source in order to get past this objection. I'm not so sure that this is the most controversial item since there don't appear to be that many sources talking in depth about it and Obama has only gotten asked about the 9/11 and "God Damn America" quotes. - Maximusveritas (talk) 06:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

--A Current Biography should only use reliable sources. A self-published source is not a reliable source. --Tkhorse (talk) 08:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

--Self-published materials which violate copyright should not be linked. --Tkhorse (talk) 08:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

- The parenthetical "(for its part, the Anti-Defamation League says it has no evidence of any anti-Semitism by Mr. Wright)" under Controversies is not cited in any way, and is misleading. That statement was made by Abraham Foxman, but in the same interview Mr. Foxman made it clear that he believes Jeremiah Wright's is a racist and called on Obama to confront his pastor about these issues. See The Jewish Week[1]. I think this parenthetical should be expanded to include the greater context, with the citation added, or should be removed entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sartzava (talk • contribs) 15:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is cited, just as everything else in that sentence is: from the NY Times article. It comes directly from that. And in that Jewish Week article you cite, it makes clear that after some thought Foxman ammended his remarks to say that he doesn't think Wright is racist, but just that he was celebrating someone who is (Farrakhan). So it would be highly misleading to present it as you are. - Maximusveritas (talk) 17:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

- MaximusVeritas, you need to stop sticking 'Conservative' in front of 'critics' in the controversy section. I hardly see Hillary Clinton as a conservative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fovean Author (talk • contribs) 00:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Has Hillary Clinton accused his theology of promoting black seperatism? If not, you are simply incorrect. The source for that sentence uses the phrase "conservative critic". By removing it, it is you who is engaging in POV pushing. - Maximusveritas (talk) 01:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

--As has been stated numerous times, the Youtube video is a copyright violation of Fox News that has been self-published, and is contrary to Wikipedia policy. In addition, the sentence citing the video is obviously incorrect, because if the video had originally appeared on Fox News, then the Youtube video itself could not have been the medium through which the news was first disseminated. Please refrain from reposting this again and again. If you wish to link to a video, link to one that is not a copyright violation. For example, the Wall Street Journal carries videos of Wright.--Tkhorse (talk) 11:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Segregated?

I read on a less reputable site that whites were not allowed to attend TUCC. If this is true it would be important to note. But it might have been that the person was merely confused as to what it means to be an African American church. I don't know. -02:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Rev. Wright's ethnicity?

I notice that the WP entry never directly addresses Wright's ethnicity. The photographs that I've seen of him (notably the one run by the NY Times here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/us/politics/06obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin ) show a man who looks far lighter-skinned than Barack Obama. Can anyone shed any light upon Wright's ethnicity/parentage? Bricology (talk) 06:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

for all the non sence he preaches about white folks his background is made up more of european genes than black its obvious he is rapeing the one drop rule by being so black--Wikiscribe (talk) 20:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Page protection

Due to recent media attention and the resulting vandalism, I've semi-protected this page for a week... if the vandalism resumes, and a longer protection is warranted, would one of the regulars here let me know.Balloonman (talk) 06:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I think people should be able to know FoxNews has quoted Wright as saying, "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color." That certainly belongs in "controversy" because it is one of the most controversial things Wright has ever said. I have tried putting that quote in several times, and it has been deleted for "bias". Is this the "vandalism" you talk about? If so, you are abusing this page. Fox News' editorial slant may sway the opposite direction of ABC's, but I've seen no proof that their actual hard news is biased or wrong any more often then ABC's is. Jsn9333 (talk) 14:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The biographical data is slightly incorrect. Wright joined the USMC first, then transfered to the USN. (U.S. Marine Corps, private first class, 1961-63; U.S. Navy, hospital corpsman third class, 1964-67.) As the page is simi-protected, I leave this comment for someone to do cleanup at an appropriate time Steve LA (talk) 15:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

--The isolated quotation of the statement relating to HIV virus is out of context and misleadingly inflammatory. This is because the reference is to a legitimate (but raging) debate that has been going on for many years, ever since British journalist Edward Hooper published his book, The River, which was also the subject of the documentary The Origins of Aids, by Peter Chappell and Catherine Peix. The basic premise is that the HIV virus was a mutation of an experimental oral polio vaccine developed by Dr. Koprowski (a competitor to Drs. Sabin and Salk in the race to find the vaccine) that was tested on hundreds of thousands of unsuspecting local natives in the Belgian Congo (this was back in the days when test subject consent, at least for natives in a European colony in Africa, was not even considered). Reasonable scientists disagree about this very controversial theory. Obviously, the Wright entry is not the place to go into detail about this. Therefore, to quote the few words that Wright uttered, without putting them in context, is misleading and inflammatory. --Tkhorse (talk) 16:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The reference completely on topic because the section it is about controversial things Wright has said. Here are the words in case you forget: "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color." What, then is the proper context that quote is stripped from? By all means include the context if you want... but people deserve to know he has said that. You're saying that quote does not belong in the section outlining controversial things Wright has said, and that is ridiculous. That may be the most controversial thing the man has ever uttered, and it is sad that you want to hide it from people who trust Wikipedia's system to provide accurate facts. Jsn9333 (talk) 18:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

--THIRD RESPONSE TO JSN9333: The principle of neutrality means that all sides of a controversy must be presented in a fair and comprehensive way that is not unintentionally misleading. I suggest you read the book by BBC Correspondent, Edward Hooper, The River: A Journey to the Source of HIV and AIDS, Paperback: 1168 pages; Publisher: Back Bay Books (December 1, 2000), ISBN-10: 0316371378,ISBN-13: 978-0316371377. It may or may not be true that the government might not have disclosed certain inconvenient facts in its intense and hurried effort to find a polio vaccine and in its mass vaccination program. It may or may not be true that there is a connection between simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) and HIV due to the undisputed fact that millions of black natives of the Belgian Congo were given the experimental oral vaccine without their informed consent, not in the last century, but in the 1950's. Wikipedia is not the National Inquirer. It is not looking for screaming headlines or trying to sell papers. Especially when there is controversy on a topic, and especially for a living person, it is incumbent upon the authors to exercise the utmost care in presenting information in this neutral work of reference and knowledge. --Tkhorse (talk) 19:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Final response to Tkhorse - I'm not here to argue about whether or not the U.S. started the AIDS virus. I'm hear to say that the topic is controversial. That's the whole point... the heading under which edit in question was deleted is *controversial statements made by Wright*. The accusation that, "the government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color," is extremely controversial, and it is a hard fact that Wright said this, as reported by a top rated U.S. news organization with a reputation for accurately reporting hard facts right. By your logic Wright's comments about race should not be allowed under the "controversy" heading in his page either, because there are other pages in Wikipedia about racism and "the Wright entry is not the place go into detail about this." Gimme a break. Well, you can be sure that as soon as this ban on edits is over I'm going to put this one of Wright's most controversial statements back under the "controversy" heading in his entry. And if you try to delete it again I'll have to find some other community resources to help keep Wikipedia free from your bias. Jsn9333 (talk) 21:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

--I quote you: "I'm hear to say that the topic is controversial."--Tkhorse (talk) 22:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I have noticed your troubling and sanctimonious pointing out of other editors' spelling/ grammatical mistakes. Please cease and desist immediately as this IS a violation of the principles of Wikipedia. The information should and will be added. If necessary, we will build a consensus.I hope that your disruptive removal of properly cited and sourced material will end.Die4Dixie 04:34, 16 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Die4Dixie (talk • contribs)

Theology?

Given the man is a minister with controversial theology might we speak about this in its own section and THEN show how it influences or could influence Obamma rather than assuming it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.44.178.253 (talk) 19:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC) This comment was removed by an anon without explanation. --Gimme danger (talk) 06:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

It is one thing to discuss his theology, assuming that you can find reliable sources, but it is a different thing to speculate on how it might influence Obamma... remember, things have to have a NPOV and be verifiable. While radio personalities can speculate on how he influenced Obamma, Wikipedia cannot.Balloonman (talk) 06:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

***Artical said he was in the Navy.I may have heard or read that he was a Marine.Which?****  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.24.48.3 (talk) 00:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC) 

"Current Event?"

I believe that it is misleading to call Jeremiah Wright a "current event", as this entry is labeled. He is one of numerous individuals who has been linked by circumstance to Barack Obama and, as a result, scrutinized. Just because this scrutiny is an ongoing process that has not yet "stopped" (whatever that may mean), if candidate Obama's minister is a current event, then so is his wife and everyone else who ever influenced him and been examined as a result. At what point does it become a bio? o0O [GUTH3] O0o (talk) 06:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I vote to remove this. Race baiting hate-mongers are not current events. Sadly enough, they are old hat. I vote to remove the tag.Die4Dixie 06:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Die4Dixie (talk • contribs)

COMPLETE DISAGREE, it is a current event because he has just recently hit the media. You can tell simply by looking at the edit history when he became news and when people started talking about him.Balloonman (talk) 06:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, this is not very important to me. I see that you are an administrator: perhaps you could get more involved in Mr. Chang's removal of information about Wright's bizarre statements about the origin of HIV and pettiness in pointing out other editors grammatical errors in such passive agressive ways? Die4Dixie 07:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Die4Dixie (talk • contribs)

I haven't been paying much attention to the article, I'm only hear because as a current event on a politically sensitive subject, I knew that this would be a heavily vandalized article. I'll try to take a look later on... right now I'm going to bed. If you think that there is an issue that needs immediate attention, take it to WP:ANI.Balloonman (talk) 07:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

As much as I don't wish to get into a barroom brawl, since I am personally named and my actual name is used several times, I am forced to respond. First, I was not the person supposedly repeatedly deleting the additions by the contributor about HIV --it was presumably done automatically because the page is semi-protected. I have simply been explaining some of the reasons why I thought that the reverts (presumably done automatically) were justified. The added language, by itself, was out of context and misleadingly inflammatory. I had put a lot of work in writing up these detailed explanations of the reasons, but in each response the contributor seemed not to have read them carefully before firing back another missive, which became more and more personal. So, in pointing out his misspelling, I was merely trying to request that the contributor put as much care into his comments (and additions) as I and others are putting into this volunteer effort. Of course, if English was not the first language of this person (as it is not mine), then I apologize sincerely. What I found misleading and inflammatory was adding an isolated quote without context. But the current version now does, by referring to the extended Wikipedia entry on AIDS conspiracy theories. Reading the entry, one sees that this is not a lunatic and "bizarre" theory, but one held by reasonable scientists who disagree. Yes, there is controversy, but it is a scientific controversy among informed scientists. That is all I mean by putting a controversy in context. --Tkhorse (talk) 11:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I expect with your degrees from Ivy League universities and your specializations in securities' litigation your plea of an insufficient command of the English language to civilly edit Wikipedia without stooping to childish displays of attacking the grammar of other editors instead of their arguments to be rather hollow. If you are indeed who you claim to be, I am surprised that you would become involved in such pettiness.Judging by the warnings that you blanked on your discussion page about your disruptive edits to the Barak Obama page I can only believe that you are trying to "white-wash"(if you will forgive the pun) the statements of the Rev. Wright to protect Obama from political fallout for his unconscionable statements. Die4Dixie 14:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Die4Dixie (talk • contribs)

TO BALLOONMAN: Just because the entry began when Wright "became news and when people started talking about him" means nothing. This could be said about countless entries. What doesn't get added when it becomes news and people start talking about it? However, Wright is not a plane crash, a sex scandal, or an "event" at all. He is an individual, and you will notice that much of the page is devoted to aspects of his life that have nothing to do with the "current event" that you refer to. Human beings cannot be current events, and to treat them as such is not only anti-encyclopedic, but a strange way to perceive any famous individual (regardless of why they are famous). Start another "current event" entry about Wright's involvement in the political battle if you want, or add it as a "current event" section, but it is downright wrong to label the entire article as such. If it is indeed protocol, find some other related articles for me in which human beings are called current events. Also, at the top of this discussion page, there are at least three mentions of this page as a biography. A biography classified as a current event is inherently contradictory. I am removing the tab, and please don't put it back up without a better solution. o0O [GUTH3] O0o (talk) 18:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

--As noted in the discussion above, the Youtube video is a copyright violation that was self-published, and also, its role in the sequence of events is incorrectly described. I have preserved the quote of Obama, but deleted the clause concerning the Youtube video, and placed it in a more logical location in the chronological sequence of Obama comments.--Tkhorse (talk) 11:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Can that video be quoted if it were purchased and attributed by an editor?--Die4Dixie 01:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Current-related

I notice above that the 'current event' template was removed from this article (which is right, as it is not actually about an event), but I believe the {{Current related}} template is appropriate, as it is arguably related to a current event, namely the Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008. I have therefore added it to the article. I feel this is the best solution, as it indicates that the person in question is currently the focus of a great deal of media attention, but does not claim that the article itself is about an event. If you disagree, please discuss this template below instead of just removing it. Terraxos (talk) 15:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Organization of article

The way the article is currently organized seems to be causing some problems. We have the section on his relationship with Obama followed by the controversy section. This causes confusion since there is overlap between the 2 sections and we seem to discuss the reaction to the controversy before we discuss the controversy itself. It might be best to simply merge these sections together, though the section would be fairly large. Any thoughts? - Maximusveritas (talk) 13:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

--I see your point, and generally agree with you. But given the media circus, any comprehensive reorganization will probably incite such a firestorm of recrimination and resulting vandalism that perhaps this can wait until things settle down a bit. --Tkhorse (talk) 16:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Virginia Union University

Virginia Union University IS NOT a seminary. The Samuel DeWitt Proctor School of Theology is, in fact, the name of the seminary on the campus of Virginia Union University, which Dr. Wright did not attend.

Dr. Wright attended VUU as an undergraduate student (and later withdrew) but was never enrolled in STVU. I know this because I am a graduate of STVU and many of his undergraduate classmates can attest to his having been an undergraduate student but not a graduate student. Dr. Wright was not a student of the Samuel DeWitt Proctor School of Theology hence I changed the word "seminary" to "university" in the article's opening. http://www.vuu.edu

-Secondly, On the Matter of Black/Liberation Theology- An earlier poster (who will remain unnamed) referred to Dr. Wright's theology as controversial. When, in fact, Liberationist theological systems are prominent all over the world, especially in Latin America as evidenced by the works of Professor Gustavo Gutierrez as well as a number of mujerista theologians.

Specific investigations of Black/Liberationist models are best found in the works of James H. Cone of Union Theological Seminary in New York in addition to Dwight N. Hopkins of the University of Chicago (furthermore, Dr. Hopkins is a member of TUCC).

However, actually researching data that you cannot glibly cut-and-paste for the purpose of launching a cyber-based hit job against an entire theological system might seem beneath the overwhelming majority of those who hold neither graduate nor doctoral-level training in theology or religious studies. (Please stick to character-assassination, as it suits you best, and leave the theological, religious and pastoral discourse to the professionally trained scholars, who are far more qualified that the intemperate, unprofessional quasi-intelligentsia, who are overly-obsessed with trying to denigrate a pastor and a congregation whose resolve will only grow stronger).

P.S. - Reinhold Niebuhr's Love and Justice and The Irony of American History also formed Dr. Wright's theology in addition to the work of Dr. Samuel DeWitt Proctor (who conspicuously does not have a wikipedia article despite his prominent role in the Kennedy administration in addition to his contributions to the Civil Rights movement).

Shalom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerrygrimes (talk • contribs) 22:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps with your postgraduate degrees and interest in the subject, you could be the one to make the article.--66.20.144.188 (talk) 01:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Tuskegee experiments

Many people on the news said that all of Wright's statements were false or anti-american.Why are the comments not on this page even with all of the news coverage? However I thought the syphilis experiments that happened to 400 black men happened? What about that town massacre during the 1920s was it Roseville, or did he talk about the other one?--Margrave1206 (talk) 16:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

The Tuskegee experiment did happen. But Wright said that black men were injected with Syphillis, and used this allegation to support his assertion that the government is involved in a conspiracy against black citizens. In actual fact, nobody was intentionally infected with Syphillis. Instead, a large group of males who were already suffering from Syphillis but had not been officially diagnosed were studied and monitored instead of being adequately treated. When some of these men were eventually officially diagnosed, they received treatment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.242.85 (talk) 08:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

"chickens coming home to roost"

This quote about 9/11 is a major part of the current controversy, how come it is not included on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.157.192.94 (talk) 16:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

further reading

I would like to see a link to transcripts of his sermons. -tadpol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tadpol (talk • contribs) 19:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Jeremiah's mother

I don't see a reference to Jeremiah's Wright's mother - he is pale - maybe she was white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.58.148 (talk) 01:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Explanation of deletions

Space devoted to Obama's responses to Wright's comments was twice as much as space devoted to the comments. Simple as that. This is an article about Wright and the section is about the topics of controversy, not a place to post every response Obama has ever made about the comments. Let's keep in mind that the section is not about the criticism on obama, but the criticism on Wright. So Obama's response is irrelevant in this article and should probably not even be mentioned — certainly not anything longer than a short summary sentence. Obama's responses are more suited to Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008, where the topic is focused on the criticism directed at Obama. Okiefromokla ^questions? 04:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your edits. I just made a couple small changes to reflect that the entirity of this controversy arose during the Obama campaign, not just this most recent flurry with the videos. - Maximusveritas (talk) 13:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)