Talk:Vancouver, Washington

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Population

"the population was at the 2000 census; in 2006..."

This may not (snicker) be a complete sentence.

131.252.245.189 (talk) 20:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Ayuh. 76.5.130.65 (talk) 23:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Can we broaden out a bit?

Greetings, All. Tom Parks here.

Twice now I have had a minor edit undone in a rather preemptive manner. A quick review of the recent edits shows that this article is dominated by two reviewers, Vantucky and RoryBowman. A sizable portion of the edits seems to consist of out-of-hand reversals of the contributions of others, with no explanation or discussion.

While I appreciate the need and desire to maintain a high level of quality, it seems unreasonable to me that two individuals should take it upon themselves to determine what might be of interest to the rest of the world. Vantucky is admittedly young, and perhaps a certain amount of presumption is endemic to youth. RoryBowman, on the other hand, seems to have been around quite a while.

Now I see that it has come to name calling and threats to block, i.e., "moron", "crap", "vandalism", "joke", "joker", etc. How sad! Especially for you, Vantucky -- your own personal experience with being blocked might have created in you a more kindly, more tolerant spirit. It's not appropriate to be so derogatory toward others, even if they are, in your opinion, misguided in one way or another.

I appeal to you both, with due respect and appreciation for your contributions, to allow room for those whose outlook and presentation vary from yours. After all, that is the glory of Wiki, isn't it?

I encourage you, before slashing the contributions of others, to use the discussion page as the forum it was intended to be, thus giving others who may care an opportunity to express themselves.

I have undone the reversal of my comment in the first section. It was factual, accurate, based on my long (30 years) experience living and working in the Vancouver area. True, it is (admittedly) humorous, but it isn't a "joke", with or without the quotes. It's a reflection of the cultural climate of the inhabitants of the area, and is directly and specifically relevant to the preceding comment that uses the word "moniker."

As for such a comment being "uncited," what would you consider a valid citation for such? Are you really suggesting that every comment you have contributed must also be "properly" cited? Do you really want to go there?

I would welcome any and all suggestions and comments regarding my contributions. On the other hand, I rather resent being summarily dismissed out of hand. So would you, I expect, or anyone, for that matter. Such a comment may be of interest to many others -- who are you to say it isn't?

Tom Parks 20:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

My response is on your talk page. Rorybowman 00:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I've been off-wiki for some time, so I may have missed some of the edit history you're speaking of. But as to the accusation that we "dominate" or attempt to WP:OWN this article, I can say that up until now Rory and I have been the only editors making significant contributions at all to this article. Simply being the most active does not entail ownership issues, and frankly I find this to be a blatant assumption of bad faith. As it seems that Tom Parks is new around here, I will say (in reference to reverting) that if you aren't willing to have your contributions mercilessly re-edited, this is not the place for you. The only constant on Wikipedia is change. Much of what you say above is off-topic general discussion or personal commentary that is not related to improving the article. If you have particular content issues to bring up, please do so I and I will happily discuss them. But making comments suggesting how users should conduct themselves and bringing up their block history is bordering on WP:NPA. Comments on age are extremely out of line, and continual comment on user's fitness to edit and/or judgment in relation to their age may have repercussions. Stick to content, not contributors. VanTucky ^(talk) 00:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Nate

I rewrote the brief description that was in Vancouver, WA. I've incorporated all of the ideas that were in the earlier article, but we still need more history (a brief para or 2 bringing us up to modern times, esp. info about the shipyards during WW II). We also need a description of the major industries in Vancouver.

And hey, Cougars! Where are you? As of this writing there's no Wikipedia entry for Washington State University.

Nate

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There seems to be different definitions of "incorporated" as to when Vancouver was incorporated. According to the City, it was January 1857, but according to the 1911 encyclopedia it was made the county seat in 1854 but not incorporated until 1858, and not chartered as a city until 1889.

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Is there a city seal or flag or logo or something someone could add??? --Kvuo 06:01, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Got it, the flag is now on there, the city is working on finding a better logo image for me to put this page.

Ajbenj 21:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

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It's awesome that this page was written by someone who seems to view Vancouver as little more than appanage of Portland and Oregon (Mentioning that the fireworks show draws Oregonians???????). Seriously, you go you crazy Portlander, whoever you are. And I hope that a volcano erupts in your downtown just like in SimCity 2000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.195.79.254 (talk) 08:35, 17 July 2005

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Yeah the shipyards that made the Liberty ships should be here. I live in Cascade Park, so this may be unimportant, but what about adding something on the old Fisher's Landing settlement? Anyway, I was born and raised in Vancouver and am fiercely proud to distinguish myself as a Washingtonian NOT an Oregonian appendage. I even tell people from another part of the country or world I'm from Vancouver USA rather than saying Portland area, which would be much easier for them to understand. But, that having been said, I'm able to view it objectively and realize we have a bit of an inferiority complex. I don't take any offence to the article at all. After all, Esther Shore Park isn't exactly Pioneer Courthouse Square! And one of my favorite things growing up here was climbing out my bedroom window onto the roof to look at the Portland lights at night.

I think we need a picture of officer's row or something (Chkalov isn't as photogenic!). As well as mention that U.S. Grant, Douglas MacArthur and others were stationed there. In addition, the categories of white and Asian don't take into account our significant population of Russians, Vietnamese and Cambodians. The fact that the local government prints pamphlets in English, Russian, and Vietnamese (I think) is evidence of this. Of course, if you live here you need no such evidence! Khirad 21:11, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

source?

it now says: In 2003, 70% of workers in Vancouver worked in Clark County.

what's the source of that info? does it mean:

• if you're working in Vancouver, you're in clark county... so this should be 100%, no?
• or is it trying to say that 70% of the people who live in clark county who have a job work somewhere in clark county? if that's what it's trying to say, then i think it's better if it says, "Only 30% of working residents of Vancouver work outside clark county".

nicknames

if there's some United Nations list of officially recogniZed nicknames then please put a link to it here. by definition nicknames are an evolving, changing thing. when does it go from being slang to an "official" nickname worthy of inclusion on wikipedia? when it appears in print? or on another website? or in a news story? or simply when someone who didn't hear it from you uses the same nickname? for that reason, i think that urban dictionary and other such sites might actually be credible sources when looking up nicknames... for what it's worth, my personal favorite for Vancouver is "Portland's answer to Tijuana", but because i couldn't find ANY reference to it anywhere beyond my circle of friends, i decided not to include it :)

Bkusler 01:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources describes what kind of link is acceptable as a reference. If there aren't any for a given nickname, then it'll have to be removed. — Saxifrage ✎ 02:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Why not just remove the entire section or merge the most popular nickname (The Couve) into the main article? It's not like any of the names are equivalent of something like "The Big Apple". Besides, in all my years of living here I've never heard it called "Vantucky". Seems to be a self promotion of that web link.12.7.38.72 09:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC) MJE

I'd gladly see such a spam-magnet removed from the article. "The Couve" already appears in the infobox, which would be enough, I think. Shall I go ahead and remove the secion then? — Saxifrage ✎ 20:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

For that matter, how "official" is "official"? Seems to me that if it's true even among a small group, it's still factual. Who's to judge what may or may not interest any particular reader? Tom Parks 03:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Annexation

One thing I'd like to see in this article is something about how Vancouver ended up with 157,000+ residents. It wasn't that many years ago that only about 50,000 or so lived in the city. Either the city had a major growth spurt (possible, I suppose), but more likely some areas were annexed. Anyone have any insight? Goeverywhere 05:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

T8y8 - The figure I usually see is 143,000, and I live here. However, those figures were from a few years ago. 157,000 seems about right. Also, I added Union High School, the newest school being built in the ESD

Downtown bridge photo bug?

The photo

Piyo (talk · contribs) tried to add Image:DowntownVancouver 022.jpg to the article and then removed it. The image exists and can be included (as you can see), but linking to it or including it in this article seems to not be working. I suspect this is a MediaWiki bug. I've put it back in the Transportation section and I propose that we leave the broken image link in the article for a bit and see if it magically starts working at some point. — Saxifrage ✎ 17:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Need Help

I have two really good pictures of Vancouver. One is for Downtown Vancouver Skyline (which I am not sure if that is really a skyline, but a view of downtown Vancouver) which are this Image:DowntownVancouver 012.jpg. Also I tried to put the bridge picture which other person posted about that picture is this Image:DowntownVancouver 022.jpg, but I struggled to put it in the article because somehow the picture didn't work in the article. I wonder if anyone can help? They are good picture and people who went to Vancouver Washington article need to see those pictures.

Thanks for the "skyline." Moved to desert Tucson a year ago and I'm feeling nostalgic, I took the officer's row picture before I left. Khirad 05:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Westley Allen Dodd?

Don't ask me why it crossed my mind, but when I was nine there was a big deal and public paranoia about Westley_Allan_Dodd. I remember, because my parents gave me stern warnings not to wander off alone anywhere. A guy I knew from Junior High (Wy'East) had even lived on the same street as him (near the Mill Plain Shorty's) and had seen him around. Though it is not a pretty side of Vancouver history, I just wanted to see if anyone else thought it was significant enough to include here in the History section. The section seems incomplete without it (as not much has ever really happened in Vancouver), and I'm not bringing it up just for personal anecdotal reasons. He is only one of four people to be executed in Washington since 1976, and by hanging nonetheless; for his crimes commited in David Douglas Park, I think (don't use me as a source for that). Not a pretty point of notoriety for Vancouver, but definitely notable trivia, with more than just sensationalist value in my opinion. All in all, I only think it deserves a sentence or two though. ...Sorry about the locale name dropping, I miss the place. Khirad 05:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Protection

I move that if this anonymous joker who keeps putting up the alien history crap keeps it up, we place semi-protection on the article. VanTucky 21:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

again, one person seems to keep reverting to this fake history crap, I move to semi-protect. VanTucky 22:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Vancouver Events Calendar and Search

EventSpring.com [1] publishes all sorts of events in the Vancouver area ... a sort of meta event site that consolidates individual event info for specific locations. One can publish events there free. They have calendars and locations by activity type. You can access it by mobile phone. There is a free newsletter one can signup for that publishes top events weekly. This may be a good candidate for the External Links section of the Vancouver Washington wiki page. Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Houlding (talk • contribs) 16:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

The site is too portland-centric to include as a Vancouver resource. VanTucky 22:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Here are some of the locations in Vancouver that have published events free on EventSpring: Firstenburg Community Center, Jim Parsley Community Center, Water Resources Education Center, First Baptist Church, Vancouver Community Library, Hough Elementary School, Slocum House Theatre, Hilton Hotel, Skyview High School Concert Hall, Hudsons Bay High School, Columbia Arts Center, Main Street Theatre, Esther Short Park, Public Playhouse, First Church of God, US Bank at Fishers Landing Office, Historic Reserve Bandstand and Parade Grounds, Columbia Springs Environmental Education, Holiday Inn Express Hotel, Vancouver Historic Reserve, Vancouver Backyard Bird Shop, Uptown Village, Vancouver Courthouse, Pearson Air Museum, Laurelwood Baptist Church, English Estate Winery, St Joseph School, Fort Vancouver National Historic Site, Bi Zi Farms, Crossroads Commuity Church, Aurora Gallery, Clark College, Clark County Historical Museum, Red Lion at The Quay, Regal Cascade Stadium 16 Cinemas, The North Bank Gallery, Vancouver City Center Cinemas, Cinema 99, Shortys Garden Center, Washington State School for the Blind, Joes Place Farms, Safe Harbor Church of the Nazarene, Glenwood Community Church, Washington Elementary School, Roosevelt Elementary School, Red Cross Building, Red Robin Gourmet Burgers, Washington School for the Deaf, Royal Durst Theatre, Corner of Main and Ninth Streets, Salut Wine. There are also events / locations in Portland, and this is of value to Vancouver residents that also attend events in neighboring areas. Thoughts?

Youre being sly about it, but I have looked up your site multiple times and it has always listed primarily Portland events. It is time sensitive, so you may have a list of groups from Vancouver that have ever listed with eventspring, but that doesnt mean there are consistent listings for vancouver. Besides the fact that for it to be a Vancouver event listing, it must be primarily focused on the Vancouver which it is most definitely not. Wikipedia is not a place for you to advertise your site, it will be reverted, thanks. VanTucky 19:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by "sly". If this were true we would not be having this open discussion. Also, not sure where you looked to determine recent events, but I count 26 events at Vancouver locations just in the last week, spread across the following specific locations: Columbia Arts Center, Water Resources Education Center, Slocum House Theatre, Cameo Cocktail Lounge, Art On The Boulevard. There is no advertising here. Simply listing a free service for event publishers and attendees. Many members of eventspring are from Vancouver which is further evidence that this site is a great and useful resource for them. I think you do a disservice by excluding this link. I urge you to reconsider.

Referring to Zorgons

I would greatly appreciate it if you would stop reverting my edits to the Vancouver page. I am basing this off of credible information that I have researched for many years. I have even gotten the approval from the directors board in Clark county to add this history onto the page, so please stop reverting my edits. Thanks.

We would all appeciate you ceasing from the vandalism, it creates alot of needless work. and if you dont, we'll simply block you from editing the page. so quit while youre ahead moron. VanTucky 17:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

As noted, please don't be a dick]. -Rorybowman 20:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Nautilus

Could somebody include a reference to the Nautilus world headquarters.24.20.175.87 07:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Economy?

Someone from Vancouver should add an economy section.

Vancouver B

As no reliable, published source affirming the notability of this term has been provided, and never having heard this moniker in my entire time growing up in Vancouver, I am removing it for now. Remember that the burden of proof rests on those who wish to include content to provide reliable verification. Even if the name is verified to be notable, the joking comparison of "A" and the Canadian stereotype of "eh?" fails to have a sufficiently encyclopedic tone. VanTucky ^(talk) 00:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

January 10, 2008 Tornado

Vancouver had a major tornado today, January 10th. Since the 1972 tornado was referenced, today's should be also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodandjoyce (talk • contribs) 07:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

This tornado was not in Vancouver but Clark County. A section in the "climate" section for Clark County, Washington seems more logical. Rorybowman (talk) 23:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. VanTucky 01:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. There were two tornadoes...one touched down in Clark County (the larges one) and the other actually touched down VERY close to Downtown Vancouver It should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.237.80.119 (talk) 20:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)