Talk:Lists of tennis records and statistics

Records

I was just going to remove it but maybe someone here has a great reason to keep it. The lines under records: (Maria Sharapova in 2005 became the first Russian woman to reach the number one spot in the rankings, holding it for seven non-consecutive weeks) and (Maria Sharapova in 2004, became the first Russian woman to capture the Wimbledon title defeating then-favourite Serena Williams) seem strange to be in this article. If we include a first for every nationality this article will become more bloated than it already is. Someone is going to come along and add everyone under the sun and we won't have a leg to stand on because Sharipova is already there. I say remove it now before problems arise. Fyunck(click) ([[User talk:Fyunck click)|talk]]) 10:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Open era statistics

I think it should be made clear that all the male statistics are taken from the ATP web site. A source I don't regard as definitive or particularly reliable. The site is only as good as the researches they employ. For instance Vilas' winning steak is 50 matches in 1977 if one includes the Rye tournament in New york. he also won 17 titles in the year. Rod laver won 18 titles in 1969 and had 31 match winning streak that year. Lendl's 44 winning streak and his 66 indoor streak was stopped much earlier by Connors at the Chicago tournament of Champions in Jan 1982. wtre The ATP site is pretty useless for statistics before 1971. A look at the ITF web site will produce substanially different coverage for 1968-70. The world no1 statistics are the ATP computer not necessarily a good guide to the no1 ranked player in the 1970's and irrelevant for the 1968-72 period. jeffreyneave 25 feb 2008 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.208.23 (talk) 15:05, February 25, 2008 (UTC)

POV & OR

No matter what this articles states, the World Hard Court Championships and the pre-1925 French Championships are not considered grand slam titles by outside sources. This needs to be fixed before this wiki article can be looked at as factual by children, teachers, researchers and casual readers. FreepRipper (talk) 20:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Then why don't you fix it? Alex Middleton (talk) 08:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll give it go since the consensus here is that it doesn't belong. FreepRipper (talk) 20:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

update; Alex, I think I got it all but it took longer than I thought to correct it. FreepRipper (talk) 00:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No, it's definitely not the consensus. Tennis expert (talk) 00:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually I think you may be the only who wants to keep these errors in this encyclopedia. FreepRipper (talk) 03:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

They're not "errors." Tennis expert (talk) 04:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Female Married Name Convention

What is the convention with female married names? I ask because it seems strange that she is listed here as Maureen Connolly Brinker when she didn't get married until AFTER she retired from tennis. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

She was heavily involved in tennis after she retired from playing and went by either Maureen Connolly Brinker or simply Maureen Brinker. Also, including both maiden and married names reduces confusion for people who do not follow tennis closely. Tennis expert (talk) 20:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't say heavily involved... but she coached and worked for newspapers as many ex-players do. Shouldn't we also write Steffi Graf Agassi or Althea Gibson Darben? Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Connolly Brinker also had (or has) a tennis foundation and was the name of a prominent tennis tournament in Dallas. Steffi has not adopted her husband's last name. I don't know whether Althea ever did. Tennis expert (talk) 21:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Ladies Slams Without Loss Of A Set

I would say this catagory is not worthy of being a statistic. In some slams there may be more years with no sets lost than there are years WITH sets lost. It's almost as though if you can't win without losing a set, it was a poor performance. The men are a different beast entirely but the ladies would be a long list even if you kept it down to those who had done it multiple times. Thoughts? Fyunck(click) (talk) 10:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

And the french wiki pages ?

Why don't translate this article on the French Wikipedia ? Please Mr Colussi...Thank you beaucoup.

Fred30_13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred30 13 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Slams/Majors?

I can live without it but it seems really strange not to include it. All my life the individual slam titles have been called "Majors", heck they've been called "Majors" longer than they've been called "Slams." So in the opening description why wouldn't we want to include this fact in a way such as: "These tournaments, often referred to collectively as "Majors" or "Grand Slam tournaments?" I added it and it was reverted. This is a comprehensive encyclopedia and this is "Tennis Statistics." It seems like a good place to acknowledge this fact. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Because the term "Grand Slam tournament" is used in lieu of "Major" in this article. The same reason you wouldn't define a term for purposes of an article when you never use the term in that article. Besides, "major" is so ambiguous as to be confusing. For example, lots of people call the Tennis Masters Series tournaments "major." Tennis expert (talk) 17:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

But why can't we use both in the introduction? It would be more encompassing. I agree that only one should be used throughout the article and "slams" would be the unit of choice, but in tennis (as well as golf) the big 4 tournaments have mostly been known as "Majors" until very recently. If an item in an article has multiple names wiki usually lists them and then uses one throughout the article for conformity sake. But to purposely ignore that it exists seems an injustice to those seeking information on the subject of Tennis. I can see that the best place will be to fit it in the wiki article wiki/Tennis but it really should be in this one also. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

What is your source for saying that "until very recently" the Grand Slam tournaments "have mostly been known as Majors"? Tennis expert (talk) 20:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a handy source which is why I wouldn't word it that way in an article unless I dug it up. In the 70's when I played in high school and college they were simply "the majors." Sometime in the 80's the press started calling them "slams." In the 90's the press, using very poor English, started calling them "grand slams." All terms are appropriate today though I usually call them slams and sometimes majors... never grand slams. I can't bring myself to using such a poor term as "grand slam" unless we are truly talking about winning all 4 majors, the "Grand Slam." I've read articles from the 50s and 60s that use the term "major" but before that I have no idea if they used other terms. So recently, to me at least, would be the 80's. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I have always thought "majors" were golf tournaments. Never mind my thoughts, the following tournaments currently describe themselves as "Grand Slam" tournaments:

Australian Open

French Open

Wimbledon

US Open

So let us stick to what is the current and common usage (I also remember as a boy late 60s that a GRAND Slam meant winning all four in a year - but that terminology has been washed out during time). If some can provide citation that the tournaments were widely acknowledged as "majors" earlier, then it is of interest. I didn't know it. --HJensen, talk 07:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually what I wrote is when I first heard the term "Majors." It is still widely used to this day. Here is an article from CBS and Sports network.

"Three-time Major Tennis Champion Lindsay Davenport Is Pregnant. Congratulations to Lindsay Davenport and husband, Jonathan Leach who are expecting a baby in the summer. Lindsay Davenport has accomplished a lot in women’s tennis. She finished the 1998, 2001, 2004 and 2005 seasons as the number 1 ranked woman singles player in the world. She won the following majors: U.S. Open womens singles – 1998, Wimbledon womens singles – 1999, Australian Open womens singles – 2000."

I certainly don't want to replace the term slam or grand slam but this is an encyclopedia and it should tell the reader all the terms in use, not just some of them. The use of the word slam to indicate one of the 4 Majors is really quite new. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

No, the term is not new, and you have not cited anything to support the assertion that "Grand Slam tournament" is a new term. And an encyclopedia clearly does not have to mention everything under the Sun. Tennis expert (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The term "Grand Slam Tournament" is relatively new. Why should I cite it??? I didn't edit anything that said the term was new, I only mention it here. Calling them grand slams was something invented in the mid-late 80s by people misusing the term slam. The press then started making the same errors and we have the stew today...not knowing what someone means when they say grand slam. Now that's the way language works and I don't deny it, slang becomes non-slang. All I'm saying is the term Major is still widely used in print today. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit warring

I see that there is an edit war going on at the article. As a reminder, as soon as there is a revert, please engage in discussion on the talkpage. Don't just battle it out in edit summaries, thanks. Elonka 21:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

The discussion is under the "POV & OR" heading above. FreepRipper (talk) 21:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)