User talk:Kafziel

I like to keep both sides of my discussions together, so if you leave me a message here, I will reply here. If I left a question on your talk page, please reply there; I'm watching your page so I will get back to you as soon as possible. Thanks!

Prowikipedians

Prowikipedians has been harassing and contacting other users regarding the Suicide Methods talk page. Also, I just saw WHY you had taken action. I knew he/she had left a legal message on my talk page, but to go behind my back and try to get me banned for having a different opinion is just wrong. This is just going to continue, directly or indirectly, and I'd like to know what action can be taken. For starters the entire talk page on the subject needs cleared, as it's just a bitter argument. Coolgamer (talk) 18:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Please keep in mind that the law I referred was a reference. ONLY. I am not trying to ban Coolgamer for the sake because he has a different opinion than mines. And the reference on "this is going to continue" is WRONG. I haven't been editing on that talk page recently. Plus, you can not just state that "starters" do not know what to do. If this were a different article, ie President Bush, stating that "he favors this" more than "this" while another source tells the opposite, then that be different. The article on Suicide methods is a "controversial issue." Which is why I have questioned why Wikipedia doesn't have a "murder methods" article. And again, the reason why I stated that Wikipedia should take off that article was more primarily concerned if Wikipedia was being cited as a number one source if something like that had happened, leaving Wikipedia publicized by the media and with heavy criticisms from the international community, which may actually bring down the Wikipedian system had something like that happened. Prowikipedians (talk) 03:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The talk page you are talking about hasn't been edited since 28 May 2008, date of law reference removal. Prowikipedians (talk) 03:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Quit posting vague threats on my talk page. Coolgamer (talk) 19:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

These aren't even vague threats. And keep in mind that I haven't been following up on you until recently you replied. I have this, this and this to edit/add information. Prowikipedians (talk) 07:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I think the issue can just fade away if everyone lets it. We can revisit this if the problem comes up again, but let's hope it doesn't come to that. For now, I think the problem is solved. No harm was done, so there's no need to post any more replies to this discussion. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 08:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Anoshirawan

I wish to discuss the matter of the indef block with User talk:Anoshirawan and request that the talk page be unprotected. -- Ned Scott 06:51, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I think there's been a reasonable amount of input since last August, from Number 57, Ronnotel, Jossi, Spartaz, MastCell, Toddst1, Jayron32, Sandstein, FisherQueen, and myself. Nothing but more edit warring and disruption after each of the previous seven blocks, and denial of any wrongdoing in each of the five unblock requests. Page protection is specifically warranted in the case of abusing the unblock tag, and I don't see anything to say the abuse wouldn't continue. You're welcome to put in a request or start an RFC, but I don't think it's worth your time. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 07:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh. In that case might I recommend a small summary regarding the block. I tried to search ANI's archives for the username and I checked his most recent contribs, and was very confused that they were suddenly indef blocked. I'll probably propose this to Toddst1, but even in light of your comment here, I'm surprised something like a topical ban wasn't tried first. -- Ned Scott 07:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't seem very sudden to me; he was blocked for 24h, then 72, then another 72, then a week, then another 72, then another week, then a month, and now indef. That's a whole lot of chances. After that he abused the unblock template, and is currently using an anonymous IP[1] to get around the block. It's a single-purpose account; a topical ban wouldn't work. I've never had any interaction with this user other than reviewing one of his unblock requests, but I took a very extensive look at his contribs when he was first reported (so extensive that someone else blocked him before I finished) and I see nothing that would indicate any of the earlier blocks had the slightest effect at all. In fact, in one of his unblock requests, he says that a month-long block would be fine... because a month-long block doesn't mean anything to him. That tells me the only solution is an indef block. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 07:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks.

Thanks for closing the discussion for me. (smiley face) Prowikipedians (talk) 09:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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I think that you may want to edit your own talk page. I prefer not to fix the edit, unless you are open to do so. Prowikipedians (talk) 08:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

3RR: Sorry, Kafziel, I didn't know

Sorry, I am new to Wikipedia and I didn't know anything on the 3 revert rule. Anyway, I can't be accused of anything for trying to put an NPOV warning on an article that is not neutral, as you can see in this discussion page:

The whole talk page is devoted to discuss whether the article is neutral or not, and that is a strong evidence of the lack of neutrality in the article.

I can't be accused either for correcting a very obvious error, as you can see in this talk:

Talk:Monroe Doctrine#Accused of vandalism for correcting an evident error: The possession of an existing European power, Britain (1833), DID NOT PREDATE the Doctrine

Smackyrod (talk) 08:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Article

Ok. I understand that. Consider deleting Blue & Gold article. Does not have THIRD-PARTY SOURCES. 210.64.233.207 (talk) 10:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

That page has been tagged to be merged since April. It's done. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 17:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleted page

My page was deleted due to "blatant copyright infringement". I cited the source and provided a webpage link to the source. The person is Neal Creque and it was a biography. He is mentioned in several wiki-articles, but never had any information about him.

BTW - I am his daughter, and I didn't mean any harm. It was much easier to use the source from All Music Guide so the information could be verified rather than to write something completely new.

CreninCrenin (talk) 00:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Just so we're clear, I didn't delete that article. Cryptic did, so I can't really offer much of an opinion there.

If you feel an article is warranted, you can request a deletion review and make your case to the community. You would, however, need to rewrite the information in your own words or, better yet (because of the conflict of interest), have a neutral party write the article; you can request the article here, and someone else will find the necessary sources and work on it. I hope that helps, whatever you decide to do. Happy editing! Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 00:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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Infringement report

Dear Kafziel,

I am of an opinion that user SatuSuro had conducted infringement. He had mislead and misinformed us. It seems to me that He is very Java centric and tried to conduct ethnocide to other tribes in Indonesia by his wiriting or edit in Wikipedia. It seems to me that he also tried to terorized hadiyana, another very contributive wikipedia user who makes Wikipedia information concerning Sunda clearer. SatuSuro is very destructive. I hope you can take action for his infringement.

Thank you for your consideration, --Naruto kobayashi (talk) 01:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Huh?

I think that is a total misinterpretation - and I am not sure about the adequate lack of understanding by either Hadiyana or the above complainant of either english or the genral processes of wikipedia.

They are most welcome to leave a complaint at my talk page (which neither has done - a good read of dispute resolution process is that first you speak to the other editor - neither have tried to do so ) - and both will have to be very careful about their usage of the english langauge and perhaps also readup about what wikipedia is about.

It seems to me that He is very Java centric and tried to conduct ethnocide to other tribes in Indonesia by his wiriting or edit in Wikipedia. It seems to me that he also tried to terorized

Such an item is either a very big joke, or otherwise a very low level english user version of WP:PA.

It would need some very careful explanation in proper english - as it does not make sense in the usual processes available to wikipedia editors - or in fact those two users might have to explain what they are up to. SatuSuro 02:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Pao-Chung Chen article

Kafziel, would you mind following up on the Pao-Chung Chen article? (It has recently been created). Thanks. Prowikipedians (talk) 09:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

What do you want me to do? Delete it? Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 18:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. I'm currently working on it. Prowikipedians (talk) 04:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Article

Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder seems to have been merged together with Attention-Deficit Disorder. They're similar, however, they are different disorders. In your opinion and experience, do you think there should be a split? Prowikipedians (talk) 10:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

ADD is an outdated term for ADHD that is no longer used. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 15:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

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Rezistenta II

Sorry to bother you with this again, but he seems to have been edit warring on Origin of the Romanians, causing the page to be protected twice. He also appears to have violated 3RR on Romani people and to have used many inappropriate edit summaries (see e.g. this, this, and possibly even this.

He may not have been doing "anything overly disruptive" when I first contacted you about him, but do his latest edits make any difference? --Kuaichik (talk) 00:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

First of all what you're doing right now is called Wikistalking and Harassment. Second I don't know you and never interacted with you but you're keep permitting yourself doing such remarks about me like the one you did over Here. I didn't caused the protection of the article "origin of romanians" for the simple reason that I wasn't the one disrupting it in the first place and because I was the one who contacted the admins about the situation going on over there and they decided it's necessary to protect it. On Roma people I din't broke any 3RR rule, and such accusations and inventions which cannot be proved in any way and which contradict the reality cannot be made forever without some serious repercussions. Have a good day Rezistenta (talk) 10:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

This edit does all the money Rezistenta (talk) 11:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo

Hi! I've read somewhere on one troll's talk page how you fought in the Kosovo war. Don't get me wrong and don't answer this if you find me picky: what was it like? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 17:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Hot, dirty, and complicated. A bit like my first marriage. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 16:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

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An article that you have been involved in editing, McDonald's Menu Song, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/McDonald's Menu Song. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 08:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not too worried about it, but thanks for the heads-up. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 16:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The user Rezistenta - how much is enough?

Hi! I would like to ask that the user Rezistenta (ex Adrianxaz) be banned from Wikipedia. I am not very familiar with the Wikipedia rules about this, but I will present the problem here. The user Rezistenta has always been a trouble maker, he had many conflicts with other users and administrators which resulted in many blockings. His rude and disrespectful attitude has been noticed by many of the people who got into “discussions” with him. But it is another problem that I would like to raise here: the constant (more or less subtle) vandalism that the does to the Romani people related articles. And to show this vandalism I have to present a problem that is a little more complicated: that of the name of the “Romani people”.

Gypsies = Romani people + Irish travelers + Yeniche people + etc..

Romani people = Roma + Sinti + Manouche + etc...

This ethnic group who was knowen in history mostly as “Gypsies” has started to wake up and asked to be called by their own endonyms. The various branches of this ethnic group call themselves: Roma (in Eastern Europe), Sinti (in Germany), Manouche (in Northern France), Romnichals (in Britain), etc. Al these branches use in their dialects the term “Romani” as an adjective, so the term “Romani people” became the natural name of all this branches. But there is a problem: the term “Romani” is very similar with “Romanian”, and so some Romanians (I have accentuated some Romanians, because I myself am Romanian and I don't heave this problem) fear that they shall be confused with the Romanies. There is even a theory that there is a Hungarian-Jewish-Romani conspiracy to steal the Romanian identity, or even to create a Romani homeland in our country!!! And so these Romanian nationalists had tried by any means to hide or deny the term Romani. They had tried to impose the term Gypsy, but this was rejected quickly, because it is sometimes considered offensive and it is also used for more ethnic groups, not just the Romanies (Irish travelers, Yeniche people, etc). Because the term Gypsy has been rejected, they came with another idea, to use the term Roma (or Roma people) for the entire ethnic group, after all Roma is better that Romani for this purpose. Roma are the most numerous branch (with 60-70% of the entire Romani population they are more than all the other groups taken together), but nevertheless they are not the only Romani group. After the fall of the Comunist block in Eastern Europe, Roma became one of the major problems of the entire Europe, and so they become the most talked about Romani group. So much were they (and their problems) mediatized that the term Roma (or Roma people) come to be used in some places as an ethnonym for the entire Romani people, although strictly speaking only Eastern Europe Romanies are Roma. The Romanian nationalists used this apparent interchangeability between Roma ans Romani to impose the title Roma people (Roma people is also grammatically incorrect since Roma is the plural, so “Roma people” would be like “Romanians people”) for the article. But now that they forced the move from “Romani people” to “Roma people”, they had to hide the fact that only Easter Europe Romanies are Roma, other way it would have become obvious the fact that the current title is incorrect.

Rezistenta's subtle vandalism:

So here I shall present Rezistenta's contribution to this game. On the section “Population” of the article he supported these groups: Kalderash, Gitanos, Sinti, Romnichal and Erlides, acording to this source:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qHUdwpiYCtIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Gypsies&sig=eHASVZ6GAkDwWOKuXBgaaPFIAL0

But when one looks to the page 8 of this source sees this:

• 

So, it is:

Roma - from Eastern Europe

Sinti - in Germany

Manouches - France

Romanichals - mainly in Britain

Calé - Spain and southern France

Kaale in Finland (This was already in the article at hard to categorize groups)

The same source, also shows that the Kalderash are only a subgroup of the Vlax Roma (The Roma (yes, Roma) the lived on the territory of present day Romania), and the Elides don't appear at all. After I've made this modifications Rezistenta did this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roma_people&diff=220545303&oldid=220543104

Saying that I am off the source. I have tried to reason with him and asked him to read the source. The result: he simply rejected my edits.

He did just the same with my edit in the genetics section saying again that is not sustained by the sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roma_people&diff=220248029&oldid=220243032

I don't even what he didn't find in the sources (if he read them), because everything that I've written was backed up by the sources.

What is funny is that one of the sources also presents the major divisions of this ethnic groups:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2350/2/5

In the section “Discussion” it saids: Individual groups can be classified into major metagroups: the Roma of East European extraction; the Sinti in Germany and Manouches in France and Catalonia; the Kaló in Spain, Ciganos in Portugal and Gitans of southern France; and the Romanichals of Britain. Any source that will make a clasification will show the same thing, that only the Eastern Europe Romanies are Roma. I don't know how Rezistenta read the article.

Anyway, the truth is that Rezistenta knows that Roma are only the eastern Europe branch (just like all the other Romanians that pretend they don't). When they tried to move the article to Gypsies, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roma_people#Requested_move:_Roma_people_-.3E_Gypsies

He saids: This article is about Gypsies, not about Roma, not all gypsies (e.g. from Eastern Europe) are Roma So he knows that Roma is the Eastern Europe branch of the Gypsies.

But this is something that he always did. He always changes his statements according to the context just to impose his ideas. For example, about the entire family Rom/Roma/Romani he came with 3 distinct theories why it should be avoided. He said that Rom comes from Dom and that Dom/Domani (?) should be used:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dom_people#Lies.2C_Dom_.3D_Rom_.3D_The_same

He often suggested that the term was invented: “gypsies don't have a clue about the newly invented name for them”. Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roma_people#Discussion_2

And he sugested here that Rom/Roma/Romani comes from Romanic peoples of Balkans (ruma, rum, aromanian, arman) and that it shouldn't be used because it is historically inaccurate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roma_people#An_Etymology_Theory

So 3 distinct and self-excludindg points of view with just one scope: to deny the family Rom/Roma/Romani. If one looks through his commentaries will find plenty of examples of this kind. He doesn't care for logic and consistency, he will say anything that will serve his scope. I would say that the proper way to call his contributions is not even vandalism but sabotage.

And last but not least, I wold like to present the last comment he gave to me last night:

Akoan: Although, sometimes Roma and Romani are used as synonymous in various articles, a closer look shows that Roma are only the eastern Europe Romanies

Rezistenta: A closer look at their feet? fingernails? toes?... AKoan (talk) 10:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I would like also to bring to your attention the current reverts he is doing on my edits, in the last one naming me mad, deleting the sourced info I add there. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 10:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Also it seems that made a 3RR there. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 11:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Kezfiel you should read the personal atacks this Desiprahl made towards many romanian editors, one being even an Administrator. Here and the reply by other neutral editor Istvan Here.

As it can be seen here, here, here,here Editors like Isvan or Zalktis any many others disagrees with this Desipraphral edits but he didn't care about other editors opinion and didn't seek concensous on talk page, furthemore when someone is refusing to accept his propaganda unsupported by references he appeals to their ethnic and national background like he did over here ".Quoting Desiphral With the Romanians is clear, they currently have some identity problems, but you?" Rezistenta (talk) 11:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I did not make any personal attacks, it only presented the current reality regarding the Romani-related articles. Yes, most of the Romanian users have some identity problems, the same as in real life and they act with impunity on Romani-related articles. It was a lot of discussion already there, but they keep reverting, moving pages at their please. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 11:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Well this comment doesn't look very good " most of the Romanian users have some identity problems," . It's one of the many clear samples of Xenophoby and Racism towards Romanians by this editor and i'm amazed that such a disruptive and racist person is being able to continue his vandalism untroubled. No one agrees with your edits, perhaps only your friends kuaichik and akoan.. All others consider your attitude and personal attacks as intollerable like I showed before over Here.

Um...no offense meant to anyone in this comment, but why bother having this discussion on this talk page anyway? Kafziel has clearly not been editing much lately. He certainly hasn't responded to anything posted here since June 14. Why don't we let him be until he has more time to actually deal with the concerns voiced on his talk page? --Kuaichik (talk) 14:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Good point. And considering that Rezistenta is currently blocked, I think it would be fair to wait until he comes back and will be able to defend himself. AKoan (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

• Instead of having this conversation here, I suggest you make those same points in a Request for Comment. Kuaichik is right - I don't have a lot of time on Wikipedia right now, so an RFC might be a better way to get a number of different admins to weigh in and take a better look. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 16:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)