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disambiguation required

Live needs disambiguation. Does this page refer to the verb "to live" or does it refer to live as in a "live performance" or "live" as in electricly active. Or, does it refer to a rock-band with the name "live"? darkside2010 14:12, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Religion

Aren't they a Christian band? FatherGuidoSarducci 01:57, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

It would appear that they are more recently, with Birds of Pray. I didn't really think of them as a Christian band before that album. muhgcee 09:48, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hello father

no. although the members may have been born into christian families, live is not a christian band. i think their belief system is beyond organised religion. it is about seeing the beauty in everything. its not just a philosophy proposed by j.krishnamurthi. its a very intense way to live. or try to... without assumptions or perceptions of the things we see. their lyrics have gradually moved on from the indivual (sheperd/kaliyuga etc.) to the abstract collective (hero/heaven etc.)

but this again, is just my opinion so you are free to question it..

I've always had a hard time categorizing them myself. Some of their lyrics are explicitly Christian, but some borrow from other belief systems. I suppose we could mention that their songs often contain Spiritual/Religious themes from various belief systems. Arianna 13:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Their studio release "Secret Samadhi" includes numerous references to Hindu / Eastern concepts. Samadhi itself is one such concept. One of the singles from that album, "Lakini's Juice," references the kundalini concept of physical/corporeal/sexual energy - the juice of Lakini (a goddess also responsible for the creative centre). Interestingly, the same track references or at least alludes to the Christian transubstantiation with the lines "More wine / cuz I got to have it / More skin / cuz I got to eat it." It is safe to say they (or at least their vocalist) is heavily immersed in spiritual / mythic concepts while consistently bannering the cause of peace. The title "Throwing Copper" suggests throwing coins into a fountain wishing for good luck. All that noted, it would be inappropriate to call them a "Christian" band - more "spiritual"-positivists in an open sense and certainly theist inasmuch as their lyrics suggest belief in a God or greater power. Their most famous song, "Lightning Crashes," appears to be clearly about the soul's return to earth upon death (the karmic cycle), which is in contrast with most if not all mainstream (but not necessarily Gnostic) Christianity. It's safe to say the beliefs espoused are ambiguous but centred in a study of various world religions with an emphasis on Christianity and Hinduism/Buddhism.

Peace and spiritual seeking are two major themes in their work. They also give attention to amorous love, though it's not always clear whether this love is purely heterosexual, homoerotic ("Heropsychodreamer"), or love of another nature (love between man and God or, more recently and unambiguously, love of a child).

Another theme in their songs could be called "dark Americana." This is clear in tracks like "Shit Towne," "Waitress," "Gas Hed Goes West," "merica," and "Freaks," where they discuss the difficult love many Americans have for their country as well as the mental and physical landscape generally.--Kevinkautzman 02:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)KevinKautzman[reply]

Furthermore, Ed himself said at one performance, in Melbourne Australia, "I'm not a Christian but it feels good to be in the Chapel today," just before launching into the song "I Alone". Which itself, interestingly enough, is a song that is based on a story of Jesus calming the storms on a boat. If someone reminds me, I can find the date of the concert for the former and the source for the interview where Ed says the latter. Regardless, as Kevin Kautzman said much better than I, Live is not a Christian band but a spiritual one. Harukaze 17:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Official name?

I keep on seeing LIVE and Live... which one is it? Gflores ^Talk 08:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

With these latest changes, the band's name keeps alternating between Live and LIVE. Personally, I prefer Live, but will live with the capitalized version if that's they way it is agreed upon. I'd like to hear officially which version is correct, but it is minor enough that it shouldn't matter. --Mtjaws 14:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

external link

Why was the Bootlegheaven.com web site removed? It's a legitimate fan site that has numerous Live concert recordings..

Most successful rock band ??

"LIVE gained international prominence in the 1990s as one of the most successful rock bands of its time." - Errrr excuse me but weren't there A LOAD of other bands far more successful than this one ? Koubiak 12:28, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, seriously, I've never even heard of them. Just seen some commercials for their two newest albums, it seems... Well, I think this should be removed anyway. It's not really the neutral presentation that Wikipedia should give, is it? --Ifrit 20:03, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

International prominence? Not too sure about that and I have never heard of them. --S iva1979^{Talk to me} 20:13, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In their native USA they aren't really popular from what I have heard, but in Europe (e.g. the Netherlands) they are really popular and can be considered one of the most successful rock bands. Klas3b 19:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

People need to realize that whether they have heard of a band is irrelevent on whether a band is popular. As a matter of fact, yes, Live was an incredibly successful rock band in various parts of Europe, as Klas3b mentioned. However, it's also true that the comment was not NPOV, especially since it is very hard to back up a comment like that. Regardless, kindly keep your knowledge or ignorance out of Wikipedia - the site is about facts, not your limited opinions. Harukaze 17:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why all capitals?

Why is this article using all capitals for the band's name? Even if it's the "official" name it shouldn't be used, it's more important that the article is easy to read. It should be changed to "Live" throughout the article, with an explanation of the official spelling in the beginning of the article. /Grillo 15:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the official spelling. I'm changing it now. Antgel 02:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Official" doesn't matter, Wikipedia has rules regarding capitalization. Please do not change anything back again. Evan Reyes 00:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are they really a post grunge band?

This is the first time I heard that they're considered to be a post grunge. I listen to them a lot and I don't see any resembalence to post grunge. -- Amorphism

They existed before grunge hit, so maybe not. RomeoVoid 16:49, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just about the entirety of Throwing Copper is post-grunge. -Beau99 07:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Secret Samadhi is post-grunge, too. In fact, pretty much all of Live's albums until Songs From Black Mountain are both alternative rock and post-grunge, but Songs From Black Mountain is both alternative rock and rock, imo. James25402 01:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:LiveBMCover.jpeg

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External Links

Need to decide on which links to keep and which to get rid of. The official band site is okay, along with the myspace links, but this many fan site links should be avoiding in compliance with WP:LINKS. Spigot Map 11:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Sub Titles

I saw the little message in the main section saying that the big block of history needed sub titles, so I split it up into sections with seperate titles. I also renamed The Live Lounge to FansofLive (Live fansite). I thought that anybody who doesn't know what Live Lounge is already isn't really told by the title, whereas the new name tells them what it is. Cheers. --Lovemonk. 16:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

9th Album

Should we make a page for Live's new upcoming album? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.206.67.114 (talk) 20:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I really doubt we are ready for a page for a new album. Have they even started to record yet? Has any announcement been made about it? I'm sure they will eventually release a new album, but with so little/zero info, it is best to wait on making a new page. --Mtjaws (talk) 21:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Radiant Sea Album Listing Issue

I see someone has taken it away. Shouldn't it actually be there? It was released on the same label as DOAD, and maybe didn't sell anything, but still, it's as much of an album as Awake? Maybe. --Lovemonk. (talk) 21:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You present a good point. I was the one who initially removed Radiant Sea from the albums section. I have since relisted it under the EPs section (which I slightly modified to read "Compilation Albums & EPs"). I also renamed the "Albums" section to "Studio Albums", and consequently moved Awake from that section to the Compilation Albums section. Although Radiant Sea is being called an "album" by Live's official website, there has been an incredible amount of debate throughout the fanbase regarding the legitimacy of this labeling. Regardless of it's recognition as an album by the official site, it is essentially no more than an exclusive fanclub release of previously limited concert recordings (with the exception of the two new songs, of course). It is my belief that only full-length studio albums with at least a staggering majority of new songs should be listed under "albums". Things along the lines of "best of" albums, EPs, demo recordings, concert recordings, fanclub-only issues, and the like may be noteworthy, but they are noteworthy within their own category. I realize this may seem a contentious issue for some, and it may be met with certain dissent, but it is important to recognize the distinction between different types of releases. Swamilive (talk) 03:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to put it back since you had removed it twice now, but think it is now in the best place within the Compilation category. Thanks for explaining it and bringing it back. --Mtjaws (talk) 20:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spiritual Songs

I believe that this was brought up before, but I never saw an answer. Many of Live's songs are obviously spiritual; I think that this should be mentioned in the article. Youre dreaming eh? (talk) 03:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Advice: find a reliable source that makes this claim, and presents evidence. Not that I disagree, but that's the best thing to do. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 09:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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	I believe that this was brought up before, but I never saw an answer. Many of Live's songs are obviously spiritual; I think that this should be mentioned in the article. [[User:Youre dreaming eh?\|Youre dreaming eh?]] ([[User talk:Youre dreaming eh?\|talk]]) 03:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)		I believe that this was brought up before, but I never saw an answer. Many of Live's songs are obviously spiritual; I think that this should be mentioned in the article. [[User:Youre dreaming eh?\|Youre dreaming eh?]] ([[User talk:Youre dreaming eh?\|talk]]) 03:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

			: Advice: find a [[WP:RS\|reliable source]] that makes this claim, and presents evidence. Not that I disagree, but that's the best thing to do. [[User:Echuck215\|<span style="color:blue">Charlie</span>]]-[[User_talk:Echuck215\|<small><span style="color:purple">talk to me</span></small>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Echuck215\|<small><span style="color:purple">what I've done</span></small>]] 09:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)