User talk:WesleyDodds

I don't need to explain to you my scrany legs, or the oddly Velázquez alike looking formation left of my hand.

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Designated "poor auld soul"/Youtube posting place

Some cursed, some prayed, some prayed then cursed, then prayed and bled some more. No pair of brown eyes waiting for you, you poor auld sod. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 11:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

You can see Cáit from 3.10. I know she lived in Dublin for a bit, but she is soooo. Well, you know what I mean. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 11:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Havn't heard this in years [1]. A classic, but for some reason reminds me of Outriggr! That said, its bit bllodless (early 90s production; very fey snare and kick drum sounds), but one of the first and best isn't anything rip offs. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 12:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh these are very very good; and sung in Welsh, which is one of the most beautiful and colorful launguages I've heard, so far.

Iechyd da fy ffrindiau tlws Iechyd da, Iechyd da, Mae'n hwyr mae'n amser cwsg Iechyd da, Iechyd da, Beth sydd tu ol i'r drws Iechyd da Iechyd da, Beth sydd tu ol i'r drws, Iechyd da, Iechyd da, Oh Iechyd ( Ceoil ^sláinte 13:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Cork was one of the first places thoes gentelman took off, and I had a few happy musroom afternoons with Euros, a long time ago. Still, are they not mighty? Oh memories .( Ceoil ^sláinte 15:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Its no secret I like this [2]. Since Glansbury, they are being played on day time radio, and even the tool on thre street knows who whey are. Good bloody news, no? ( Ceoil ^sláinte 17:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Such a classy guy[3]. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 00:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you really like that Cranberries song? The Orish accent is trite and deritive, and the lyrics slightly less naieve than well, pick your least favourite u2 or coldplay b side. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 23:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Lots of drama here. Gnight. Ceoil 00:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

This friday is brought to you by this Acid house classic. Ceoil 22:50, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Man, shakey camera aside, if you close you eyes oh boy. 1.25 on are just about the best I've heard to far. Bty, who is the young blondie guy in the red shirt palying bass ( Ceoil ^sláinte 14:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

MJ

Hey, I still have a few areas to expand on for now, namely some of the negative details. I'll get back to you soon. — Realist² (Come Speak To Me) 08:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, I have blanked clean User:Realist2/sandbox, any material you remove you can add there. I would rather work with than against. I tell you now though, if you are going to remove tones of info from the article you better bloody support in the end. :-) — Realist² (Speak) 15:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Yo, you wanna help me with this or you gonna sulk about how crap my article is? — Realist² (Speak) 01:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, but please, only take out a piece at a time and number the pieces going down in a list using #. I will reinsert anything I feel damages the readers understand of Jackson or anything that jeopardizes the articles overall neutrality (probably the articles biggest accomplishment). Other than that you are free to go for it. I will see you in an hour-ish then. — Realist² (Speak) 01:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Watch, that your correcting the links, refs are being broken. — Realist² (Speak) 03:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Jumping on the bandwagon

Would this come under the Project's purview? The videos here might actually come in handy. indopug (talk) 20:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering more on the lines of "it'd look nice on our Wall"... I don't have an opinion otherwise. indopug (talk) 20:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Random: Genesis, Pink Floyd, Rush, Tool, Opeth (formerly Dream Theater and almost King Crimson)—progressive rock has done quite well on Wikipedia without a formal Wikiproject governing them. I think I'd be happy if prog didn't completely suck. indopug (talk) 16:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll be moving to another city tomorrow, so I dunno how much I can be online for the next few weeks. That honorific cows article was closed as "No consensus"; we should renominate it sometime with proper rationale, clearly indicating that the direction it is undergoing is not fit for a encyclopedia article. indopug (talk) 05:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

FRENCHCORE!!!! indopug (talk) 18:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

GLAAD 2008

File:Comic-GlaadAwards copy.jpg

Odd Days by Aubrey Miranda featuring main character Ace and supporting character Skyler at the 2008 GLAAD Media Awards

As President of Mt. San Antonio College LAMBDA Student Association, I was lucky enough to receive free tickets to the 2008 GLAAD Media Awards. Our VP, Comic artist Aubrey Miranda was also in attendance. Here's what would have happened had I decided to take the plunge. Hope you find it amusing. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Deviousness

I keep thinking the picture is on your talk page in order to represent human kind in a mocking way. As though it's this really profound thing that should get you thinking, but it's probably just a fucking wombat on a fucking leash. Am I right? NSR77 ^T_C 23:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

So I'm out of the ridiculous Cure phase I was in for oh so many months this year (thankfully Disintegration is just about done, or else I dunno what would have happened to it). Back in a Nirvana one. Wanna do something Nirvana related? I'll definitely take a look at Unplugged soon. NSR77 ^T_C 23:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Eh. Bleach was very much so a teething album for Kurt. I know there were (long abandoned) plans to work on In Utero a while back. I'd love to take a stab at that. Nevermind would be great, but there's just too much information out there to really condense into a single article. It would be very difficult. NSR77 ^T_C 23:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

"In Bloom" is one of my least favorite tracks on Nevermind. Not sure why. The chorus is fine, I just don't love the chords he used. I may have asked you this before, but what are your top 5 favorite Nirvana songs? NSR77 ^T_C 23:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

"Drain You" is, in my opinion, the best song on Nevermind. It's incredible. If I had to pick a favorite Nirvana song it'd probably be "Pennyroyal Tea". It's utterly beautiful and the lyrics in the chorus make it impeccable. "Silver" is fucking awesome. I was almost about to title this conversation "Grandma, take me home". "Very Ape" is good, you're right. For filler. I love "Serve the Servants", though. That or "Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle" are my favorite non-singles from In Utero. Now strangely I think one of the best things on With the Lights Out is Grohl's "Marigold" (nothing compared to "Sappy", though). "Oh, the Guilt" is a really hard rocker that I love as well. With Nirvana, I can't really say there's one album they've made that I can listen to from start to finish without wanting to skip a song. There's always one or two tracks that ruin it for me. "Tourette's" on In Utero and "Polly" with Nevermind ("Territorial Pissings" isn't my cup of tea, either). Bleach is sporadic in it's own right. NSR77 ^T_C 23:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd go for All Apologies, MV (the albini outtake), and Negative Creep. Serve the Servants is just great also, yes. Don't like much from Bleach, maybe from that period only Love buzz and the sun shines through the window songs are any good. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 23:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, "Love Buzz" is the best thing that came out of Bleach. NSR77 ^T_C 23:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I usually listen to the albums as a whole. But still, some of the tracks lack. I usually call it the "mid-Nirvana-album-slump". On Nevermind it started with "Polly", until you get to "Drain You". With In Utero it starts with "Dumb" and ends with "Pennyroyal Tea". Oddly, the songs following this slump are the best on the entire album. I think In Utero is an overall stronger album, albeit much less commercial, which is the main reason why I think critics don't like it as much. Some of the stuff on Nevermind is straight up pop ("Stay Away" comes to mind, despite how much I love it). NSR77 ^T_C 23:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thats something that bothers me; I never listen to the albums as a whole - its always itunes on shuffle. The thing is the songs that leap out at you at first are usually the most disposable. Against that, how many albums have you listened to in the last 6 months that have more than 3 good songs? Not many, I'd guess. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 00:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Shuffel just gave "The Modern Age" - oh happy day. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 00:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Every album I buy or get I listen to the whole way through. Especially from my favorite bands. With the Chili Peppers and Frusciante I know I've listened to Blood Sugar Sex Magik and Niandra Lades and Usually Just a T-Shirt each at least 150 times through, not including jumping around. Some albums that I don't know if I will like I get from the library and download them that way. Then I listen. For example, I don't like much of New Order's Brotherhood but I abso-fuckin-lutely love "Bizzare Love Triangle". Some album's like John Cale's Fear and Peter Hammill's Over (and most of Captain Beefheart and Frank Zappa's stuff) I can't listen to just one song. It's the entire body of work that I appreciate. NSR77 ^T_C 00:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I used to be like that when I was younger and albums cost more than I had to spend in a month. These days, with the internet and free download, I skim lots and lots, maybe 10-15 albums a week. I notice from that though its more about songs than individual albums or even bands, and I guess that's they way things are going. I'm not saying its right, though. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 00:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. But I live in the past. Well, as much as one can live in the past in today's world. I still buy LPs sometimes. I really just wish it were 15 years ago, to tell you the truth. Haha. NSR77 ^T_C 00:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

You want to back to 1993? Better off 1989. Stone Roses? ( Ceoil ^sláinte 00:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Afro pop

You have not as yet, provided any reasoning for why you keep removing the genre from the Vampire Weekend article. It seems your removal is based on personal opinion. Please check the sources because it is the sources we use to define information in articles, not personal opinion. Seraphim♥Whipp 09:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC).

About Hey Jude Page

Sandman, I followed all the rules, and nothing has happened to the page I just added some information that makes the page more interesting and better looking than before. Calm down and read the changes. Without a doubt you will like them. Fefogomez (talk) 04:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Sandman I am adding an analysis of the chords of the verse. This by no means hurts the page, and on the contrary makes it more interesting to musicians, that are, in the end the people who will query this article the most.Fefogomez (talk) 04:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I see what you mean, and to a certain extent I agree. Maybe the summary was a little far fetched, but take a look at the image. It's glamorous and it shows information a thousand words wouldn't tell. SO why don;t you let it stay. I know it's a feature article and I was very careful not to change the thread of ideas. If you look carefully I inserted a few sentences that validate the scorelet posting. Fefogomez (talk) 04:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Heavy metal fan subculture

Hi WesleyDodds, Thank you for your message on the fan subculture section. While the footnotes are not formatted properly, I remind you that contributions to Wikipedia do not have to be fully completed "offline" before they are posted. For example, in a section on the history of a music genre, you can start it off with a few sentences -- you don't have to build it up into 3 paragraphs offline before you posted. What do you mean when you say it is written like an academic essay? Sometimes, an edit is called "essay-like" when it has subjective POV and personal reflections. I don't think the Fan Subculture section has much of those elements............I'll admit right away the obvious flaws: reliance on one source for 99% of the fan subculture section, and excessive uses of quotes. But those flaws can be corrected with subsequent edits, in which other editors add in new sources/books/magazines, and by other editors who paraphrase and reword the quotations. What I have provided, I think, is a verifiable, solid framework upon which the Fan Subculture section can be built. OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 13:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Heavy metal photos

Hi WesleyDodds, I would like to discuss your reverting of my free Wikimedia Commons photo additions. When you revert like that, you should provide a rationale. You said the photos are unnecessary. I went to the Wikipedia Images policy section to see if I could get some guidance from the rules................................................................................................ The Images section notes that "Beyond the basics of copyright and markup, editors face choices of image selection and placement." It notes that "Articles that use more than one image should present a variety of material near relevant text." The section states that "Images should be large enough to reveal relevant detail without overwhelming the surrounding article text." The section says "Poor quality images (too dark, blurry etc.) or where the subject in the image is too small, hidden in clutter, ambiguous or otherwise not obvious, should not be used." As well, it says "Contributors should be judicious in deciding which images are the most suitable for the subject matter in an article." As well, "Images must be relevant to the article they appear in and be significantly relative to the article's topic." It says images should be refenced (because of the Verifiability policy). "Images that are not properly identified...are unencyclopedic and hence not useful for Wikipedia."................................................................................. Could you please explain why the pictures are unnecessary? Is it just the pictures I chose, or do you believe that pictures in general are unnecessary? As well, apart from the lack of referencing, I argue that the pictures that were proposed helped to illustrate the topic. As well, my captions helped to explain the significance of the content. Just for discussion, if I were to find a Free Wikipedia Commons photo of a MAJOR metal band (e.g., Metallica), would that also be unneccesary for the lede or "characteristics" section?OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 14:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi WesleyDodds, Without naming you, I put the general issue pictures/photos onto the talk page, so that we can get some discussion going on this topic. I look forward to hearing your rationale and arguments on this issue. Thanks.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 18:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Janet Jackson

I want to put this article up for another peer review, but before I do would you mind checking the third paragraph in the LEAD and the "Artistry" section for the quality of the prose/information? Thanks. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

This is a Low

Why have you got rid of it? There are more than enough reasons to keep it in my opinion.

• Rate Your Music is an acceptable site, if its not then why have I seen it referenced in other articles? (off the top of my head Holland, 1945, The Universal, Stay Together)
• Not only that but it is the 2nd highest rated Blur song out of all of them on the site. A rating of 4.24 certainly warrants a good song.
• Blur fans also rate it, on Blur's official forum it was voted the 3rd best song on the album [4]. The album was subsequently voted the joint best by the band.
• The album appears highly in the best albums ever list and this is a popular song, why not quote it? I can also cite the Best 50 British albums ever by Q magazine from this year, where Parklife came 25th.
• It is a track on Blur's Best Of. Surely, that alone warrants an article. It is the only album track on the album. Let us not forget it is on the official greatest hits album of one of the biggest bands ever. Surely that counts for something. It makes the Best Of article look a bit silly with all the songs linked to bar this one.
• Links in nicely with the shipping forecast theme, and the song is already referenced to in the Shipping Forecast article.
• I quote Alex James...

"It went on to become Blur's most popular song"

Blur's own bassist there stating its magnificence and popularity. Does that not matter? "..Blur's most popular song"

Don't want to appear pushy but mate there are plenty of reasons why this warrants an article. Certainly it is notable, for all of the above reasons. Yours, Dsims209 (talk) 20:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

TIAL part 2

Never seen such good evidence and references cast aside. I can add a) its high ranking on Blur's last.fm page, again the highest ranking album track on there, higher than some singles. b) It is selected as a stand out track on All Music Guide. c) It was selected on Glastonbury Anthems: The Best of Glastonbury 1994-2004 compilation album. So yes it has received tons of critical acclaim.

Why do some Oasis b-sides have articles? Because they were on the best of compilations. So why can't this? Am I missing something??? Why should Oasis b-sides have articles and Blur's most popular album track, and best-of track not?

It is quite obviously famous song in its own right, and thus by your logic, deserves a page. Dsims209 (talk) 19:07, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Radio Free Europe

I see you reverted my edit to the Radio Free Europe article. I just undid your revert, on the grounds that the song does not end on the tonic chord, as the line you reinstated said it does. If you revert my undo, I will go on undoing it, but in order to avoid a pointless edit war on a fairly trivial subject, I would just like you to tell me why you think the song ends on the tonic. The song is in E, we agree about that; the final chord is A, we agree about that - so how can it end on the tonic, which would be E? Any thoughts you have would be welcome. Lexo (talk) 22:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Find a reliable reference that it isn't in the key of E, my friend, because whatever book you are citing right now is entirely wrong. I have been playing the song for twenty years and if I have to go out and check an REM songbook, I will. Lexo (talk) 22:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I have been checking websites that carry chords and tablature to REM songs. Every one I've been to confirms that the song is in E, but unfortunately they all derive from a transcription made by a University of Arkansas student, the original of which - thought it appears to be accurate - is now missing from the uark website. I can demonstrate that the song is in E by videoing myself playing along with the original recording on a correctly tuned guitar and posting it on YouTube, but since as you point out there seems to be no official sheet music there is no official source for the fact that E is the tonic chord of the song, which is something I know in the same way I know that I am left-handed but play guitar right-handed - it's beyond all possibility of doubt. All I can say is that either Justin Niimi's book on 'Murmur' is inaccurate, or else whoever was using it as a source misinterpreted it. I would not be standing up and making an ass of myself like this if I didn't know that I am right, which is not a statement I make lightly. All I urge you to do is leave out the offending part of the sentence, and truth is satisfied. Lexo (talk) 23:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Emergncy U-tube links needed

Something happy or fluffy idealy. Nothing TOO miserable. Any ideas; 4 hours now Ive been listening to talk talk; eh, enought. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 18:26, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Perfect. Had a big argument on saturday night about Paul vs John; along of the lines of Paul has done nothing good since the Beatles broke up. Am, what about the Frog Chorus, Band on the Run? Mull of Kintire? God sake, Paul da man. Anyway. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 00:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Aaaah, but you are some goddamn nerd to know that!! Do you follow any of that era's solo careers? I do, and love this to death. Ceoil 01:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Futher prrof that you tube is the best thing, ever. This is the talk talk song that took me 4 hours to get through. Maybe my faouite track by anybody. Eva. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 01:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

MJ rewrite

Don't worry if there are broken refs at the end of your rewrite, give me a heads up when your done and I'll fix them automagically. --AdultSwim (talk) 03:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Quick question

Hi there, just wondering... who is your favorite band? :-) --Eric (mailbox) 05:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Damn Wesley, you got good taste in music, if I say so myself. Those bands are pretty awesome. Not a lot of people today remember that kind of music. I can't get enough of the Beatles now. :-) --Eric (mailbox) 06:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

On candystripe legs

I've added the chart positions to Disintegration in table format due to the number of charts. Hope that's okay --JD554 (talk) 10:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

This is a Low

I'm sorry to bother you again. I have reinstated the article here. This is because I truly am uncertain as to why it should be removed. I have added more detail and facts supporting it in the ways you suggested. If you still don't like it, please may I propose that instead of simply redirecting it to Parklife, you nominate it for articles for deletion, as I would like wider input regarding this article, as I honestly don't see what is wrong with it. And it would be silly to nominate my own article for deletion. I want to learn from any errors I am making and redirecting doesnt help this! Many thanks Dsims209 (talk) 20:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)