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Request move

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The result of the proposal was no consensus to support move. JPG-GR (talk) 17:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Overall think people who revert the edits are interested in Wikialty (something is true because I can get other Users to agree to it) then the actual informative content of the articles relating the Kassel branch of the former ruling house of Hesse, but if all interested, overall issue under way at Talk:William VIII, Landgrave of Hesse-Cassel Cladeal832 (talk) 04:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Google scholar searches indicate "Landgrave of Hesse-Cassel" is by far the more usual spelling as opposed to "Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel" by a margin of 233–52. More general searches for "Hesse-Cassel" and "Hesse-Kassel" give a margin of 1660–746, with many of the 746 in foreign languages and all of the 1660 in English. Finally, as Kassel was called Cassel until 1926, this individual would have been known as Hesse-Cassel throughout their entire life, and not as "Hesse-Kassel". DrKiernan (talk) 07:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose as elsewhere. This is nationalist bad faith. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If interested; see talk page for Landgravine Louise Caroline of Hesse-Cassel Cladeal832 (talk) 21:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Request move

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Here is an actual arguement. Britannica Encyclopedia and Columbia Encyclopedia use Hesse-Kassel as well many other reference source. Google Scholar in the recent articles section shows more hits for Hesse-Kassel then Hesse-Cassel and if Editors check Catherine of Aragon, while during her lifetime Katherine was used, the fact that most modern scholars use Catherine trumps that. Kassel is the proper name in English today and Cassel has been used offically since 1926 so pretty sure that's a sign it's out-of-date. Also the Move Request guideline state that wider consensus is better then one for a few articles. Quote "Consensus decisions in specific cases are not expected to automatically override consensus on a wider scale" Since all but 6 articles use Hesse-Kassel is clear sign of wider consensus then this article to be moved then just this one discussion. Also refer to Talk:Hesse-Kassel#Requested move and see that although consensus is apparently not being reached on this page for the Danish Queen Consort, it already has been for the Hesse-Cassel vs. Hesse-Kassel question. Cladeal832 (talk)

Strongly and oppose disruptive move request by single-purpose account. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I intend this !vote to be counted against any and all move requests by this single purpose account. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Agree Agree with the above mentioned points. Please try not to make this personal. MeanLevels (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- this shows a WP:CANVASS violation, in addition to the unscrupulous course of requesting the same move in less than two weeks. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That implies that I either send it out to multiple users, which I didn't, or that I tried to influence them, which I didn't. I send a message to one user who came to this discussion on his or her own and ask that since you stated that I was the only one interest in moving, thought he or she would like to know about User:PMAnderson skewing the discussion and leaving that User out. I notice again that User:PMAnderson is making me the issue and still won't argue Kassel issue beyond overblown statements. Cladeal832 (talk) 22:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree the vast majority of other related articles use Hesse-Kassel JLIBPB (talk) 23:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 **[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MeanLevels&diff=228265518&oldid=198099943 this] shows a [[WP:CANVASS]] violation, in addition to the unscrupulous course of requesting the same move in less than two weeks. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] <small>[[User talk:Pmanderson|PMAnderson]]</small> 22:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 :That implies that I either send it out to multiple users, which I didn't, or that I tried to influence them, which I didn't. I send a message to one user who came to this discussion on his or her own and ask that since you stated that I was the only one interest in moving, thought he or she would like to know about User:PMAnderson skewing the discussion and leaving that User out. I notice again that User:PMAnderson is making me the issue and still won't argue Kassel issue beyond overblown statements. [[User:Cladeal832|Cladeal832]] ([[User talk:Cladeal832|talk]]) 22:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Agree''' the vast majority of other related articles use Hesse-Kassel [[User:JLIBPB|JLIBPB]] ([[User talk:JLIBPB|talk]]) 23:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)