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Global Warming

Roadrunner, I was reading the article on Peak Oil - which is excellent and followed the link to global warming and was very surprised that that article did not refer to peak oil even in passing.

I've added a section with some basic facts effectively inviting readers of global warming to visit peak oil to find out more. I don't know why some of the global warming evangelists are being so upetty about it, but they are giving me hassle. I noticed you were a contributor to the peak oil article, and I am leaving this to ask for some support88.110.38.52 22:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

California school

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Your article Leading small group

Your article Leading small group has been proposed for deletion "Wikipedia:No_original_research & does NOT include Wikipedia:Reliable_sources for WP:Verifiability of content." Please add references, or it will be deleted.--Parker007 04:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am interested in your removal the HongKong,Macau and Taiwan representatives stuff

I found it useful and I cannt persuade myself to remove these stuffs as NPC.--Ksyrie 02:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Common law, "This seems incorrect"

See my reply to your question. Responsive? Helpful? Boundlessly 01:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Taiwanese aborigines

hey, I don't have Hsiau's article at hand. Am gonna revert; if you are actually quoting Hsiau we can restore your edit another day. Thanks! Ling.Nut 03:40, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

...you need a reliable source..... Ling.Nut 03:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please add a reliable source, or I'll have to delete your edit for now.... Ling.Nut 03:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. I've seen your name around before.. but the truth is.. there are two kinds of vandals (I'm not saying you're a vandal!!): schoolkids who make IP edits that include insulting words... and established editors who have a POV to push. The first kind is easy to spot; the second is very definitely not... Please forgive me if I am trying to keep the page free of both... although I am not saying you are the latter... if we can verify your edits, I'm quite happy for them to remain (tho I would prefer to do it another day.. when we have more time...)

Sorry, and thanks! Ling.Nut 04:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(undent) Thanks for your contribs. I reworded them slightly, have a look. Sorry if I was abit protective of the page — given the history of various well-known editors in the area of Taiwanese politics, I was really expecting an edit–spree–POV–battle to break out between factions. I have been pleasantly surpised so far.. the vandalism is all kids who wanna say "you're gay" or whatever... thanks! Ling.Nut

Are you saying this (from an ancient version of the article):

Supporters of Taiwanese independence see the interest in aboriginal affairs gradual move towards nation building and the creation of an alternative to a Chinese identity. For their part, supporters of Chinese reunification do not in generally object to the interest in aboriginal affairs and argue that this illustrates the broadness and diversity of the Chinese identity and point out that this interest in indigenous peoples parallels a similar interest in Mainland China as part of the Xungen movement.

Thanks Ling.Nut 17:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I actually chided Maowang at least once for his over-fondness for the word "colonial" — but RoadRunner ... they were colonies. Anything that is done as part of colonizing is "colonial"! Moreover, you commented out a source and changed the wording.. hmm.. that might or might not be kosher... kinda tired now will look again another day... Ling.Nut 01:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Roadrunner,

I am going to have to revert the references to the coloniality of the various cultural projects in Taiwan. That is exactly what the sources claim and support. I realize Chinese nationalism is threatened by assertions that Qing era expansion was colonial, but the authors demonstrate VERY explicitly and clearly that the process fits securely within the definitions of coloniality. Maybe you could go on Amazon and peek inside the books to see exactly what the author says. Your message to Ling.Nut also shows you are coming from a Chinese Nationalist or Nationalist apologist POV "splittist"? We are trying to avoid bogging down in nationalisms on this page. The Chinese nationalist model includes many ethnicities as "Chinese" minorities, buy they are viewed by a sense of "denial of co-evalness", which is one mark of coloniality, where a dominant culture determines another culture to be subordinate and backward, lacking the modernity of the colonizing culture. This can be shown on Taiwan and in China when ethnic "minorities" are often asked to "be ethnic" by dressing in the traditional costumes their ancestors wore at first contact, frozen in time, where the Han wear "western" style suits as a symbol of their own "advancement" and their ability to use nationalism to "advance" the "backward peoples" toward madernity. This type of cultural chauvinism is very well documented. We designed this page to put the dirt out on the table so the topic could be discussed as we are not Aborigines. We need to discuss the coloniality of Taiwan's indigenous people, so we can expose how most of our knowledge and definitions are not from the indigenes themselves but rather they were defined by an ethnic "other"...another mark of coloniality. i highly reccomend, before continuing on this page, to read: Steven Harrell's Cultural Encounters on China's Ethnic Frontiers, Prasenjit Duara's Rescuing History from The Nation, Emma Teng's Taiwan's Imagined Geography, Charles F. Keyes Ethnic Change, Edward Said's Orientalism, Susan Blum and Lionael Jenson's China Off Center, Peter Perdue's China Marches West to name a few. We are very serious about sources and are trying to avoid original research. There are many things I would like to change based on my own research and "gut" feelings, but I will stick to the references...no matter where my bias lies. Maowang 05:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aargh!

Please don't put that &*$&$#-ing hideous NPOV tag on the article. I'm sure you have concerns.... everyone who reads it has concerns. Half the people want the PRC section n there. Half don't. Half the people want the KMT to look bad and the DPP to look good. Half the people want the KMT to look good and the DPP to look bad.
The idea that Taiwan was not colonized is so very NPOV it hurts my brain to conceive of it. It is as Chinese nationalist an idea as is conceivable. Did the Qing etc. hold hands with the Aborigines and sing "We Are the World"? I'm thinking not...
Ling.Nut 12:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

...more

The NPOV tag sitting at the top of the page is very very very POV. It screams to the world, esp. to the uninitiated in the politics of Taiwan, that the entire article is POV.. which it is not .. it is highly sourced and brimming with NPOV info, with the exception of your quibble aout the use of the word "colonize" .. unless your viewpoint is that of a Chinese nationalist... is that your viewpoint?
If yo leave the tag there, you kill the FA. If you're a nationalist, then that will in fact be your goal. If you are a scholar, it will not.
Which are you? Ling.Nut 18:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

or better yet, remove it entirely, don't touch the article, and work things out with maowang in Talk. I have to study for prelims...

I'd rather not. I'd like to at least point out to the reader that there are certain sections that are disputed. There is a POV dispute. Also I doubt Maowang and I *can* or *should* work things out by ourselves, and I would really like to see the opinions of people who aren't as attached to a position. Roadrunner 18:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A nationalist scholar is still POV. A scholar should want NPOV. No? Ling.Nut 18:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the way I think reality works. Everyone has a POV. A nationalist scholar has a POV. An anti-nationalist scholar has a POV. We see things based in light of our experiences, and that creates a POV. What I think a scholar should aim for is to respect and learn from alternative views of the world, and to be able to describe different views of the world in a fair even handed manner. One thing that I've learned from Wikipedia is "don't scream" rather "try to describe in a polite, calm manner why you feel like screaming."

The problem with claiming that you have a NPOV is that you end up ironically in the same situation that orientalist and decolonialist scholars have complained about, about in which you have a "master narrative" which is given scientific and objective authority, but in fact is as subjective and in some cases as inaccurate as alternative narrative. The message is that I am the wise, objective scholar, and you are the uncouth heathen. My views of history count. Yours don't.

What makes it particularly interesting is that in this case. Maowang and I obviously have been reading the same books, and I think (and he may disagree) that he is drawing unwarranted conclusions from what he has read.

Roadrunner 18:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That all sounds correct, but the facts on the ground at wikipedia are, there are two or three camps re Taiwan, depending on how you slice the cake, and AFAIK I am one of the extremely few who have even the slightest claim to being NPOV (despite your logic above). There's no one else to help! You're just gonna stir up the camps and give them the idea that there's room to make trouble.
The Qing were colonizers, and I am not anti-China. :-) I am the descendant of colonizers as well, and I am not anti-myself.
If you wanna add some balancing verbiage saying that there are mainland Chinese scholars who disagree, I think that's possible.
... and I can't be involved in this discussion either! I'm gonna try to avoid looking at my watchlist for the next couple months, tho I'll log in every morning to look for messages. Ling.Nut 19:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

really and truly moving forward....

... can you take a couple hours and find all the key passages in all the key books that you believe are central to this debate, and scan them to .pdf or an image? Scanning to text is no good; it could be tampered with. I will try to find someone to help... I have a friend who may be a good informal arbitrator...

I'll need to wait a while. Part of it, is that I really don't want to sink too much time in this article, and I really do want some feedback from third parties. I don't doubt that some scholarly works describe Taiwan's situation as colonial, and I don't challenge the inclusion of that viewpoint. My concern is over wording, that this viewpoint be considered *a* view of Taiwanese aboriginal history rather than *the* view of Taiwanese aboriginal history. The problem with stating this viewpoint as *the* view of Taiwanese aboriginal history is that you've basically copied a history out of pan-Green Taiwanese nationalist history textbooks, and you run into the standard problems with nationalist histories, along with some problems that are particular to Taiwan.

Also, Maowang cites a lot of books, but I don't think they tend to support his point, and in some cases, they may undermine his. DiKotter's main point is the Han identity was recently created. There is a whole genre of history under the description of "New Qing History" which argues that the Qing dynasty *didn't* view the world in terms of "circles of civilization" but most of that related to Inner Asia, and I don't know of any scholar that has tried to relate that to Taiwan.

What I'm looking for, and may take me a few weeks to get is a semi-authoritative historical narrative from the KMT and the pan-blues.

I should note that most of the sections I put NPOV tags are are uncited. The big section NPOV doesn't have a single citation associated with it. Also I need to check out the Harrell reference to see what he actually says and if he uses the term "colonial project" in it.

BTW, this is the type of link that I'm looking for....

http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/journal_of_colonialism_and_colonial_history/v006/6.1taylor.html

Roadrunner 20:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you leave the NPOV tags anywhere on the article for a month or so, the FA is guaranteed to disappear. And you're not willing to sink too much time in it? That's your best plan? That's constructive? It really is infinitely easier to destroy something than to create.. would you please do me a favor? I may be busy studying when the article loses FA. When that happens, would you please remove {{User Featured Article|Taiwanese aborigines}} from my userpage? Don't wanna false advertise... thanks... Ling.Nut 21:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to read Teng tonight & try to comment tomorrow. Thanks for supplyimg it... But even by your standards, I doubt Blueshirts' "settlers" is acceptable. If you think maowang's def is problematic, Blueshirts' is downright revisionist. Mingtian jian. Ling.Nut 13:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

requested Harrell; anything else I should request?

I requested the Harrell chapter from interlibrary loan. Be advised that I am kinda suspecting everyone will back up the "colonial" reading; but I am willing to reword if that is not the case.
BTW the Teng chapter that you posted gives very strong support of the "barbarian" term that POTS objects to! Case is very closed. Will add to article when I have time.
Anything else I should request?
Ling.Nut 16:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your Project

Try reading David Wu's essay on Hua Qiao communities in China Off Center. In a discussion with one of the scholars I cite, we discussed the concept of the common Trans-Chinese and it seems language may be the only uniting factor... like "English Speakers".Maowang 02:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am also of the Anderson/Hobsbawm constructionist understanding of nationalism. It wasn't so much spoken language, but more written... understanding the characters. Even after the advent of the Republican period, these was an ambiguity as to whether China would be Han or made of the "five races". Sun Yat Sen supported both. Many of the peripheral peoples viewed the end of the Qing as an oportunity for independence and in the case of Mongilia, it was actualised. I think you are going to find that in places where Chinese nationalism was not promoted, the Han acculturated and assimilated... there was no great signifier.

harrell... others?

I have harrell; what part d you dispute? And should I order other articles too? Ling.Nut 03:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neo-Confucianism/to do

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A friendly tip

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Christian Patriot

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Seventeenth National Congress....

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Finance Project

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overseas chinese?

did you create this page if so id like to ask you to change something if you dont mind because someone is messing info up cause of what he thinks is accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.56.197 (talk) 22:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Knox-Castrillo Treaty

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Early Infanticidal Childrearing

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irredentism

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Thanks

Dr. Joe,

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Can you help???

this is a wiki that I made. Can you please help me with this project?? thanks.Sternhe (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sternhe (talk • contribs) 15:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ur an admin

Hello roadrunner, And please dont tease me that your the real roadrunner OK? But just a question since your an admin why dont you place this info. on your user page? Would you rather stay anonymous? Surely not, admins are supposed to be on wiki to help users and since you want to hide this fact im not sure. Im not saying you should go all out by having a userbox that your an admin or putting the symbol in top right corner, just tell users who visit your page that you are or add it to the categories down below. Its your choice but i think you should inform users of this. Thanks Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 00:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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