User talk:Onceloose

I'm going to be doing a lot of work concerning Eurovision in the coming weeks and I need lots of help and suggestions.

Isis Gee

All Sims2 was doing was adding the article to a category, and a perfectly correct one at that. There was nothing PR-ish about it. There was some POV stuff added but User:Blnguyen had already removed it. Chwech 15:20, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the right approach is to go in and take out the bad stuff, not blanked revert. Grk1011 (talk) 16:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Fine, its also customary to leave messages at the bottom on talk pages. Grk1011 (talk) 16:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I responded on my talk, continue the conversation there. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 14:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Ties

My source lists the placings after the tie was broken. If they had all come in last place, then their placings would all say 23 like it shows in past years when there is a tie. See [1] where there are 2 eleventh place countries since the tie was not broken. This is not the case where the tie was broken and each country given a place 23, 24, 25. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 18:52, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Do not revert anything yet. Prove that there was no tie break because the website shows there was by the placings. I am not "believing" pink, I know what happened, I researched and you are wrong. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry my edition was put there by an admin. The new information of a tie=break has no source whereas mine does. It is the consensus version and I do not trust a user with the history of pink. Onceloose (talk)

Ok then trust me. What information and what admin? the joint last? We go by verifiability here so please show the tie for last. I'm having a hard time finding it. It seems like for life has the same points as the last place uk, but placed 24th. Please prove otherwise with a link showing a tie for last place, not points. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Please be advised, this matter is under discussion at WP:ANI. That said, I have a couple observations as an uninvolved party to this. First: the official site for the contest does show the song placing 24th, and tied for points with the 2 other songs. The site does not explain how they broke the tie, which isn't particularly important. The official site for previous years does in fact show that when 2 songs were tied, they both were given the same placement (i.e. 2 songs at 11th place). The key is verifiability. The official site shows the song finished 24th, so that fact, properly cited, should not be removed unless replaced or appended by a similarly cited source. Repeatedly removing a cited fact in favor of an uncited one could be considered vandalism.

Second: Consensus is determined on the article's talk page. I saw no such consensus on that page to support the claim that 2 songs finished all-last. But if there were, unless cited properly, that would not typically overrule the cited source.

Lastly, the first person to edit the article to suggest the songs finished all-last was not an admin, but about as far from it as you can get: a banned sock account: [2]. \

In short, I concur with GRK that the article should reflect what the official site shows: That the song was ranked 24th at the end of the contest. A comment that it was tied for points can certainly be included in that statement, as it too is supported by the source. Regards, Arakunem^Talk 23:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Invitation!

	You are cordially invited to join WikiProject Eurovision
	You appear to be someone that may be interested in joining WikiProject Eurovision. Please accept this formal invitation from a current member of the project.
	If you decide to join the project, please add your name to this list.
	I hope you accept! - Onceloose (talk)

I'm keen to help, have been a eurovision fan for a while!

Confusion on signature

Onceloose, can you please explain this? It looks to me that you may have copy/pasted a previous warning, including the old time stamp. However you've been accused of forging a signature. So, might you be able to explain? Bstone (talk) 22:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Onceloose for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 14:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Isis Gee revisited

Hi Onceloose, Just FYI, discussion has been going on over at Talk:For Life (Isis Gee song) regarding the Eurovision results. A consensus edit has been proposed that so far everyone has agreed upon. As this edit differs from the current version of the page, please discuss over on that talk page, so everyone can be heard and factored into the discussion and a consensus reached. Thanks! Arakunem^Talk 19:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Removing a reference from the article

Hello Onceloose. Can you please explain the logic of removing the reference from For Life (Isis Gee song)? If there is only one reference, that is all the data that is available. If you believe this reference is invalid, please explain your reasoning on the article's Talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 18:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

This is a disputed version added by a user who was blocked for vandalism. I reverted to the original consensus version as per the admin who is helping resolve the issue. User Pink Evolution is amending Isis Gee to read that she came second last when she came equal last. She is a fan and has been involved in a dispute before as far as I can see actually. I am actually thinking of leaving wiki because she is harassing me by constantly complaining to admin and even calling me a sock puppet without proof. This is turning into a waste of time for me is a proven vandal can cause so much trouble!Onceloose (talk) 19:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)