Talk:Butch Cassidy

who are u Who did the studies?-FZ 23:11, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Outlaw Trail Request

Can someone do a piece on the Outlaw Trail? That would be interesting. I tried to put up a request but couldn't navigate my way to the proper category. Sorry, I'm new here. --YellowLeftHand 09:23, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Death

I feel that butch cassidy sucks

no remains with DNA matching them to the living relatives of Parker and Longabaugh have yet been discovered.

should be re-written

remains with DNA matching them ... Longabaugh have yet to be found (discovered?)

for better flow, but id like to get at least one person who agrees with me

PAX --- 71.108.37.108 07:28, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Roberty Leroy Parkers name should be removed since that name has not been proven real, by reliable sources such as birth certificates.

I'll have to agree with this above statement. The only person who claims to be Butch Cassidy's relative, but yet offers no birth records, weapons, memorabila(photos) that Butch Cassidy would of owned for proof, is L. Parker(self-proclaimed sister). Further more two sources William T. Phillips, and The an extra on the Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid DVD both state that Robert Parker was not Butch Cassidy's real name and it is still unknown to date. However recent names have began to sprung up as his possible names such as George Young, William Wagner, and James Ryan. So rather than dismissing these claims as false, real investigation must come into play as to whether or not one of these are/is/could be his actual name(s). I believe History Channel and other learning networks need to be notified of such events, because looking closer will result in a more conclusive answer.TheRealOutlaw 16:30, 28 2007.

Robert Leroy Parker has been shown to exist as of 1880, when he would have been around 14 years old. His name appears in the 1880 Utah territory census. You can search in two places: The Utah Census search form (search for surname Parker, first Robert, in 1880) and you will find a reference to microfilm 1255336, which lists Robert L. Parker in Circleville, age 14. Second search FamilySearch.org's Census listing for Robert Parker, 1880 census, in utah and you will find a reference to the same microfilm with more info (son of Max Parker, works on a farm, etc - you can pay a fee to see a scan of the microfilm if you are inclined). So the first assertion above ('that name has not been proven real') is simply false. Lula was born a scant two months before Robert Leroy Parker left home (and before Butch's first crimes), and he didn't return for 41 years according to her account, so it is doubtful she would have memorabilia like a weapon. She mentions that the family received letters from Robert Parker, but they destroyed them to protect his whereabouts - which can also explain any lack of material possessions. Aside from the Lula book, the family is very tight-lipped about the whole affair for their personal reasons. The William T. Phillips manuscript is suspect, as names were obviously changed to 'protect the innocent'. Some people (like Larry Pointer) even make a plausible case that Phillips IS Butch aka Parker, but wrote it from the perspective that Phillips was not Butch to protect himself, and never mentioned Parker to save the family name. I haven't seen the DVD extra but I would question their sources as well. Do they provide any? Regardless, without concrete verifiable sources that disprove Parker's link to the Butch Cassidy name, I think that removing all reference to Parker is little more than original research on your part. Adagio 05:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

As of lately History Channel has been shown artifacts from the Wagner family's in California that contain passports to Bolivia, Butch Cassidy's suit (that he wore in his famous photo in Texas) as well as several family photo's which identically matched him in his Texas photo, a pinkerton wanted poster, Butch Cassidy's coach gun , as well as news articles of him abandoning his family. Now thats not original research, thats better than some microfilm and quoted burnt letters. The photo's will be put online when the approval from History Channel comes in; Wikipedia Policy. So rather than arguing excessively over the name, might I suggest a wikiproject.TheRealOutlaw 22:40, 30 March 2007.

Cool, we'll wait until you provide some evidence. In the meantime, please stop removing references to Robert Leroy Parker from the article, and have your friends stop removing that information as well. Adagio 06:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I live in the part of Wyoming where Butch lived and none of the old timers in this area believed he was killed in Bolivia. Many, many of his old friends said that he lived for many years under an assumed name and visited them regularly for years. As far as evidence, how about his handgun with his brand on it, and his opal ring that he gave to his girlfriend in Riverton and photographs of him taken in Dubois? You should read In Search of Butch Cassidy before you conclude that there is no evidence. TV programs like the one on the History Channel that concludes that he didn't return from Bolivia are generally crappy. You can't educate yourself by watching TV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Senor Cuete (talk • contribs) 04:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

There is also reference to a man fitting Butch's description in Louis L'amour's book about his life called Education of a Wandering Man I do not remember the exact words of it but he talked about this man coming up the mountain, spending the night at his parents home, then going further up the mountain when he returned a few days later he would come back with money. It gives food for thought, especially to those of us who think the reports of the men killed in Bolivia that are supposedly Butch and Sundance could just be another pair of white cowboys. There were after other whites in Bolivia commiting robberies.24.247.134.14 (talk) 14:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

William Butch Wagner?

Is there any evidence supporting the claim that Butch Cassidy was really born William Butch Wagner? If nothing can be provided, the recent changes should be reverted. Justin

I work at a museum in Telluride, Colorado and a colleage of mine found a government document linking William Wagner and William Phillips working as teamsters when they were young from Kentucky to Oregon Territory. So if you have an ancestry.com account I can give you the link to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.1.65 (talk) 00:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Anyone Notice

If you closley at the two pictures of the real Butch Cassidy, and of Robert Parker their faces don't match, even when you put a moustache over Robert Parker mug shot the faces still don't match.

Removed panel from the main article - it needs supporting references to be more than original research.

Comparison of Robert Parker's head, and Butch Cassidy's head. This comparison shows the actual Butch Cassidy had a more triangular jaw line than Robert Parker, as well as different shaped cheek bones and a much smaller nose.

That's interesting because both of those photographs are known to be photographs of Robert Leroy Parker AKA Butch Cassidy. The one on the left is his mug shot taked at the Wyoming territorial prison in Rawlins, Wyoming and the second one is cropped from the famous portrait of the Wild Bunch taken in Fort Worth, Texas. They sure look like the same person to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Senor Cuete (talk • contribs) 04:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Obstinate blanking

I believe there is a mechanism for freezing the content of an article, accessible to Wikipedia Administrators, I suppose. Any thoughts about getting this article frozen, to shut down the repeated anonymous deletion? Bertport 03:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I think what happens first is someone needs to warn the user on their user page (the one who is blanking). And if they don't stop then their account will be blocked. I think that's the procedure. I don't have time to do it right now...could someone else?--70.41.230.6 01:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC) --cda 11:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC) (wasn't logged in yesterday)

If you check his user page, you will see that multiple people have written him about it. There's no sign that he's ever read his own user page. Bertport 01:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, then the next step is I posted a "last warning" on the user 204.9.11.123 page. If they vandalize again we can list the account on this page for an admin to block that account. --cda 11:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, some progress - he blanked again, but he switched to a new IP address to do it. The new IP address has not edited Wikipedia before. Depending on how inconvenient it is for him to change IP addresses, we might eventually get somewhere by blocking every IP address he uses, I suppose. In any case, it's pretty clear that he read his own user page. Bertport 13:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, why do you assume it's a guy, that's sexist ; ) I reported this to admins. --cda 19:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

William T Phillips

I believe there is some evidence that William T Phillips was Butch Cassidy ([1] for example). There are even several books on the subject. I'm not sure that the evidence is conclusive, but I wonder if it isn't disingenuous to say that "no evidence supports the claims". Perhaps we should change it to "some nonconclusive evidence supports the claims" (with a reference or external link to more info) or perhaps expand the discussion of the controversy? Adagio 22:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Real Name is Unconfirmed

The name Robert LeRoy Parker needs to be reomoved from the article because on a DVD of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid it states that Butch Cassidy's real name is unknown. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gwag (talk • contribs) 01:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

Unprofessional Writing Standards

The paragraph commencing "Butch Cassidy was known to hide out..." has been deleted due to a literary standard inappropriate to the standards of Wikipedia. The paragraph contained subordinate clauses without a main clause and the subject's name was not Butch Cassidy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.112.184.25 (talk) 16:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

The Amount of Money Stolen in His "Big Heist" Needs to Be Clarified

 I'm not not sure what it means to say that Parker/Cassidy's big heist in South America would be worth $100,000 today, as that would mean that he stole only a few thousand (at most) in then contemporary dollar terms.  Surely his heists in the States, which translate variously to anywhere from a few hundred thousand dollars to over a million dollars, are bigger heists?  Has a zero or two been left off the total for his SA heist or did the poster not understand that the figures for the robberies in the States weren't adjusted for inflation?