Talk:Naomi Wolf

Subjective Piece

I have never commented on an artcile before but have been moved to do so by the extremely subjective tone in this piece - it seems to set out to make Wolf look ridiculous and her work as having been derided by the majority of thinkers and reviewers, which was simply not the case. A substantial rewrite is needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.56.223 (talk) 14:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 15:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

This article comes off as very subjective to me. It's loaded with more criticism of Wolf than of her own positions and cites no responses by her to the criticism presented. Just an observers POV, who came to learn more about someone they'd heard of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.214.235 (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

I attempted to make the final paragraph in this article neutral by changing "gone off her rocker" with "involved with scandal." However, I know very little about this controversy so am unable to tell if the facts presented are correct and neutral. Sdoles

I made a lot of changes to make this article NPOV and factual, mostly changing the discussion of the "earth tones" and "alpha male" flaps, including removing a quote incorrectly sourced to Time magazine. I think this article is NPOV now, let me know if you disagree. protohiro 22:52, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Protohiro: Were your changes reverted? From my reading of the section Political Consultants I get the distinct impression that it's loaded with weasel words and phrases. Though Time Magazine is mentioned ("Wolf [was] paid a salary of $15,000 a month…in exchange for advice on everything from how to win the women’s vote to shirt-and-tie combinations.") the article is not referenced nor does the quotation parenthesized above have a link. e.g. the quote is unsourced. Indeed the only reference on this section comes from a single apparently biased source. The tone of the section would be greatly improved by removing POV heavy language and catch phrases. I do not want to throw a POV tag, but would appreciate a neutral set of eyes on this section. BingoDingo (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Books...

I think it is best to just list the books in chronological order and focus on general themes of the career. If certain books have some notability beyond their content (special controversy, etc.) then that might deserve a mention. -- 71.156.102.142 07:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Paglia

I don't like Camille Paglia and her work in the least, but the reference to her first book as "pseudo scholar" -- whether true or not -- and her lecture at MIT as "infamous" violates the attempt by Wikipedia to offer the most neutral point of view possible. Wikipedia is no place for propaganda or polemics.

I fully agree with the preceding paragraph. Pagli’s spiel should not have a place here. I just read an article by Naomi Wolf, and such saying as “ccannot write a coherent paragraph” or “cannot do historical analysis” is just untrue rhetoric to badly make a point.

Anorexia numbers

Hi, I am wondering whether the number for anorexia victims must not be confirmed by a independent third party source (neither Wolf or Summers) in order for it to be a NOPV to state that the actual number is closer 100?

Until then I think it is enough to say that wolf's account has been challenged.

best regards [Unknown writer]

//There occured a mistake in that article section: in the quote from Baumgardner we read the words "...estimate of than 100...". It was not clear to me what precisely the sentence should look like ( I am not a native speaker of English), perhaps "more/not more/less" or wahtever is to be added, or is it more than just one word missing ?

Regards147.142.186.54 16:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

WOW....First of all the 150,000 number doesn't need any "third party source" to be dismissed. I'd also like to see any evidence that anyone prior to Wolf had used this fabrication. Just curious.

SPCGuru 24-Mar-08

Picture!

I think this article would look a lot nicer with a picture, and would help demonstrate that she is one of the younger feminists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.248.96.12 (talk) 19:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Given that she wrote "End of America", I wonder if she's watched Babylon 5

Wait wait, hear me out! A major plot thread for most of the later seasons involved the establishment of a dictatorship, and the characters reaction to it. I would have liked to ask her how well the fictional version fits the 10 steps. Included are use of propaganda and complete control of the media, and the setting up of a secret police (Nightwatch). --Athcnv (talk) 19:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

She wrote an article in, I think, the Huffington post where she claimed the government was tapping into here bank accounts. Part of the oncoming police state, which is being engineered by Rove and Cheney. Why it's Rove and Cheney, one who is no longer in politics and the other who wont be in a few months, don't ask me. I also don't know why this same paranoia didn't apply to the Clinton administration, like the "anti-terrorism effective death-penalty act" and rocketing the pharmacutical plant in Sudan.

Criticism

I have removed the prolix non-sequiturs from the criticism section. Sommer's criticism is now made, and then most of the remaining text is devoted to rebutting Sommer's criticism.

The quote from the National Institute of Mental Health and the Eating Disorders Foundation do not actually address the dispute (the number of deaths per year). The latter refers to the number of women afflicted by the disease. Sommers did not address this matter. The former seems to say that those individuals with anorexia are ten times more likely to die than individuals without anorexia. Again, Sommers did not address this matter.

--Tom Joudrey (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Nowhere in this source [1] does it talk about Wolf "reveling in her rolls of fat, her rotund chunkiness, and her corpulent overflowing girth." Whoever added that, thanks for giving fodder to Wolf and her criticisms. This is exactly the type of mean-spirited nonsense she writes about. Uwmad (talk) 16:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Many cititations needed or material must be removed

I just went through and took out the worst WP:BLP violations, including dead links. Please read WP:RS on self-published blogs as a No No.

Use of youtube as back up only discussed on these pages: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5

I did leave youtube in in couple places where I think people will be likely to come up with better references. For her religion I took out youtube since it's just one mention in a video and that should be easily found in some WP:RS online reference.

Even if two paragraphs in a row are from same source you must make that clear by using ref name format - see WP:Cite on how to do it if you don't know how.

The BLP DISPUTE tag should stay up til all these issues are dealt with either with proper citing or removal of material. Carol Moore 17:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Carolmooredc

Agreed. I also removed the last section (coup in America), as it was sourced entirely to Youtube. Carol Moore 17:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I've seen a number of email posts on that issue, so I think it is true, but if people really want it in, they do need a better source. Carol Moore 17:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Carolmooredc

I added the citation for her Jewish identity which a gleaned from listening to her Interview with Alex Jones (see citation in article)...it is a 2 hour interview that has alot of the information this article wishes to have citations for, straight from Wolf herself, but I am not up for listening to it again and doing the work. This is just a heads-up if someone cares. It's a good interview when Alex gives her a chance to talk :) And the download is free (or I can email it to you if you ask me on my talk page) Saudade7 10:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Technically per WP:RS that might be problematic but since you did all that work I won't challenge it absent some obvious contrary info. But it would be better to find an article source for that as the first of two refs. Carol Moore 16:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)Carolmooredc