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== section on research ==
== section on research ==

== Mirrors Edge ==

I think this game should be mentioned somewhere in this article.Its designed not to have much violence in it.The developers said that you can finish the whole game without shooting a single gun.


[[Killology]] is never used in any academic settings or by professionals beyond [[Dave Grossman (author)|Dave Grossman]] (maybe in public statements by [[David Walsh (psychologist)|Dr. Walsh]], but no one else to my knowledge). So associating killology with all studies on violent video game effects is misleading. Frankly, most of Grossman's claims are never tested or proven by third parties ([http://www.amazon.com/Children-Adolescents-Media-Violence-Critical/dp/0761929762/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224950708&sr=8-1| Kirsh, 2006]) and most of his research is based on his field within the military or police work, but not in psychology as a whole[http://www.killology.com/publications.htm].
[[Killology]] is never used in any academic settings or by professionals beyond [[Dave Grossman (author)|Dave Grossman]] (maybe in public statements by [[David Walsh (psychologist)|Dr. Walsh]], but no one else to my knowledge). So associating killology with all studies on violent video game effects is misleading. Frankly, most of Grossman's claims are never tested or proven by third parties ([http://www.amazon.com/Children-Adolescents-Media-Violence-Critical/dp/0761929762/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224950708&sr=8-1| Kirsh, 2006]) and most of his research is based on his field within the military or police work, but not in psychology as a whole[http://www.killology.com/publications.htm].

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"Non-violent video games" seems like an awful wide scope, no? It also seems to make the presumption that video games are by definition violent... I would recommend trying to restrict it somehow to video games that are normally violent. –xeno (talk) 16:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a list of the articles that were in the category: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20081014051800&limit=18&target=Cydebot&month=&year=xeno (talk) 13:14, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The scope is a bit large, but I think it may limit itself as the areas editors will be more likely to edit will be those that concern the more controversial designations. -Thibbs (talk) 17:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thoughts for the future

It may be worth creating a subsection on age-linked non-violence marketing (such as nonviolent games aimed specifically at children/youth) and also a subsection on anti-violence marketing as with Food Force and other serious games. -Thibbs (talk) 17:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

section on research

Mirrors Edge

I think this game should be mentioned somewhere in this article.Its designed not to have much violence in it.The developers said that you can finish the whole game without shooting a single gun.

Killology is never used in any academic settings or by professionals beyond Dave Grossman (maybe in public statements by Dr. Walsh, but no one else to my knowledge). So associating killology with all studies on violent video game effects is misleading. Frankly, most of Grossman's claims are never tested or proven by third parties (Kirsh, 2006) and most of his research is based on his field within the military or police work, but not in psychology as a whole[1].

While I feel a bit appreciative, but dismayed that some of my blog posts are linked to this article. Blog posts and any self-published materials are not acceptable sources. You may use my blog as reference materials to more reliable sources.

You should give a source on that final sentence, I don't recall if there was a surge of nonviolent games in response to scientific publications.

--Janarius (talk) 16:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have removed citations to your blog and have replaced them with {{fact}} tags. I apparently missed the fact that it was a blog in my haste and for this I apologize. Considering that it was from your blog, however, perhaps you would be in the best position to provide the sources you based your claims upon in the interest of clearing up the citations needed. I'm not sure I agree with the removal of the material on Dave Grossman as it was properly cited and represents a non-academic viewpoint on the topic of the article (a topic that goes beyond academic circles), however I'll let it stand as is and see if any other editors think it fit to re-add (or move to another section). Anyway If you see anything else that could be improved, please don't hesitate to be BOLD. -Thibbs (talk) 19:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]