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Parentage

Which John of Ibelin is his father? John of Ibelin, the Old Lord of Beirut, married Melisende of Arsuf, and he had a son named Guy, but that family lived too early for this Guy. Adam Bishop 06:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, nevermind, apparently he was the son of the jurist (and Maria of Armenia, not Melisende of Arsuf). Adam Bishop 03:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused too. That John of Ibelin died in 1266. So how could he be the father of Guy of Ibelin, who supposedly wasn't born until 1276? Or did they have sperm banks back then?.... --El on ka 00:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

I'm still not finding any confirmation that this Guy of Ibelin was born in 1276. More likely the birthyear is 1250. Until/unless we can find a solid source, I recommend that we move this page to Guy of Ibelin (died 1304). Any objections? --El on ka 02:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(followup) Since there was no objection, I went ahead and moved the page. --El on ka 03:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Some important information from the Medieval historian Le Templier de Tyre about Guy of Ibelin was deleted a few days ago [1]. Could someone kindly reinstate it? Cheers PHG (talk) 19:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC):[reply]

Guy is mentioned in the 13th century account by the medieval historian "Le Templier de Tyr", as entering into contact with the Mongols in order to re-conquer the Holy Land. According to the chronicler, Ghazan sent an envoy to inform that he would join the Franks during the winter, but adverse conditions stopped him from coming:

"That year [1300], a message came to Cyprus from Ghazan, king of the Tatars, saying that he would come during the winter, and that he wished that the Frank join him in Armenia (...) Amalric of Lusignan, Constable of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, arrived in November (...) and brought with him 300 knights, and as many or more of the Templars and Hospitallers (...) In February a great admiral of the Tatars, named Cotlesser, came to Antioch with 60,000 horsemen, and requested the visit of the king of Armenia, who came with Guy of Ibelin, Count of Jaffa, and John, lord of Giblet. And when they arrived, Cotelesse told them that Ghazan had met great trouble of wind and cold on his way. Cotlesse raided the land from Haleppo to La Chemelle, and returned to his country without doing more".
— Le Templier de Tyre, Chap 620-622^[1]

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 I'm still not finding any confirmation that this Guy of Ibelin was born in 1276.  More likely the birthyear is 1250.  Until/unless we can find a solid source, I recommend that we move this page to [[Guy of Ibelin (died 1304)]].  Any objections? --[[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 02:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 : (followup)  Since there was no objection, I went ahead and moved the page. --[[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 03:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
+==Deletions==
+Some important information from the Medieval historian [[Le Templier de Tyre]] about Guy of Ibelin was deleted a few days ago [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guy_of_Ibelin_(died_1304)&diff=250599263&oldid=250544566]. Could someone kindly reinstate it? Cheers [[User:PHG|PHG]] ([[User talk:PHG|talk]]) 19:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC):
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+Guy is mentioned in the 13th century account by the medieval historian "[[Le Templier de Tyr]]", as entering into contact with the [[Mongol Empire|Mongols]] in order to re-conquer the [[Holy Land]]. According to the chronicler, [[Ghazan]] sent an envoy to inform that he would join the Franks during the winter, but adverse conditions stopped him from coming:
+{{quote|"That year [1300], a message came to Cyprus from Ghazan, king of the Tatars, saying that he would come during the winter, and that he wished that the Frank join him in Armenia (...) [[Amalric, Prince of Tyre|Amalric of Lusignan]], [[Officers of the Kingdom of Jerusalem|Constable of the Kingdom of Jerusalem]], arrived in November (...) and brought with him 300 knights, and as many or more of the Templars and Hospitallers (...) In February a great admiral of the Tatars, named [[Kutlushah|Cotlesser]], came to Antioch with 60,000 horsemen, and requested the visit of the king of Armenia, who came with [[Guy of Ibelin]], [[County of Jaffa and Ascalon|Count of Jaffa]], and [[Jean II de Giblet|John, lord of Giblet]]. And when they arrived, Cotelesse told them that Ghazan had met great trouble of wind and cold on his way. Cotlesse raided the land from Haleppo to La Chemelle, and returned to his country without doing more".|[[Le Templier de Tyre]], Chap 620-622<ref>[http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/GuillaumeTyr5.html Source]</ref>}}}}