Talk:Settle–Carlisle line

what exactly is the rationale for moving this to "Settle to Carlisle Railway". Settle and Carslile is by far the most common name for the line. G-Man 20:07, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I agree, this move is illogical as it's universally known as the "Settle and Carlisle Railway". Who moved it? (I can't spot the move with a cursory look...) -- Arwel 22:36, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

moved again to Settle-Carlisle. By the following reasoning:

• "Settle-Carlisle" Google search 5,820 hits
• "Settle to Carlisle" Google search, 2,620 hits
• "Settle and Carlisle" Google search, 339 hits

The most common name is Settle-Carlisle, that is what we should use with redirects from everywhere else. The S&C is a colloquialism I think, I'm not sure what the Act of Parliament used but ess-'n'-see is easier to say than ess-t'-see (in my best Yarkshire/Cumbrian accent)

Your search results are pretty meaningless as words such as 'and' and 'to' are excluded from the search.

Also all the books I have refer to it as the 'Settle and Carslile Railway' also nearly all the links are to Settle and Carslile. I dont see why it shouldent be moved back G-Man 23:08, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No axe to grind either way but I've just fixed all links to the redirect pages to point to Settle-Carlisle Railway. Will watch this page and undo if necessary. Dave.Dunford 19:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As a train-spotting Yorkshireman who has read widely on the subject of the S&C I think it ludicrous to call it anything but the Settle and Carlisle. It is in this form that it has gained the fame that grants it a place in this project. In addition, throughout the article reference is continually made to the S&C, not the S-C or the S to C. --Northener 14:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Have added Langwathby to the list of stations and created a page for Langwathby Railway Station and also altered Lazonby and Appleby station pages can someone tell me why Langwathby was missed out in this article. Penrithguy 22:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Likely cos nobody had heard of it. Wikipedia's an evolving thing! 161.73.37.81 20:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The SRA instructed Arriva Trains Northern to withdraw the Leeds - Glasgow trains north of Carlisle, as can be seen in the linked Stakeholder document. The service was often cancelled when ATN had driver shortages and industrial unrest, but that wasn't the reason it was withdrawn. Gmac67 (talk) 23:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Diversionary route

Is the S&C used for diversions much these days. The Caledonian sleeper, for instance. It didn't run on the day of the Grayrigg derailment, for instance, south of Carlisle, yet the Settle route was surely a viable diversionary route. Did it use it in the days afterwards? Is it routinely used thus? 161.73.37.81 20:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It's still used for diversions when there's big engineering works. Last spring, when the WCML was closed most weekends north of Preston, Virgin ran an hourly service between Preston and Carlisle via Blackburn, Clitheroe and Hellifield. When it's emergencies that close the line (such as after Grayrigg), it's quicker to bustitute up the M6 to/from Carlisle - although whilst the line was closed after Grayrigg, the first southbound service of the day from Carlisle and the last northbound service of the day to Carlisle did go via the S&C. With the sleeper, the ECML is usual diversionary route, it'll probably be quicker that going over the S&C. As for the night of the Grayrigg derailment, there may have been a number of reasons why, at such short notice, it didn't run, such as engineering possessions on both the S&C and the ECML, or no drivers with that particular route knowledge. Dupont Circle 08:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Closed stations

Should the map show the various closed or former stations along the route such as Scotby, Little Salkeld etc? Penrithguy (talk) 20:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

This is what I thought. It also shows inconsistancy by showing the closed branch for the Wensleydale Railway, but not for the Eden Valley or the other railway (South Durham? The one to Barnard Castle) on the map. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.10.166 (talk) 10:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

New "route" section

I have added a new "route" section that I have simply cut-and-pasted from the Airedale Line, where it was incorrectly included. It's not particularly well-written and I invite others to clean it up. --Dr Greg (talk) 17:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Article title

I propose renaming this article "Settle-Carlisle Line". This would bring it into line with other modern-day line articles. Using "Railway" in an article's title is, I suggest, appropriate only when referring to the name of a railway company. But there never was a "Settle & Carlisle Railway Company"; the line was built by the Midland Railway Company.

Furthermore I propose creating a redirect to this article called "Leeds-Settle-Carlisle Line", and to use that redirect in the "routeboxes" of the stations along the line. (But only for the present-day service, not for "Historical Rail" services.) This makes more sense, from a service point-of-view, especially for the stations between Settle and Leeds.

Any objections to either of these, or alternative suggestions? I'll wait a week or so for feedback before proceeding. --Dr Greg (talk) 17:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Should we be using the dash, most of the lines were changed to use to, Sheffield to Hull Line and Sheffield to Lincoln Line spring to mind of ones in this format? Keith D (talk) 20:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Top Speed

What, historically, was the top speed for the route? (I believe it is now downgraded because of a reduced track maintenance schedule). 78.147.200.75 (talk)