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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for User:Keith D:
  • Yorkshire sort out & remove modern references
  • Yorkshire sub-articles need references/changes made to Yorkshire transferring down
  • KC Stadium - check out stand names & references when stadium web site is back on air
  • Commons East Riding of Yorkshire image sorting - done Civil parishes Airmyn to Mappleton on third pass
  • Keep an eye on bug


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Persian Gulf naming dispute[edit]

Hello - hope you're enjoying your holiday. I've reverted a number of edits at Persian Gulf naming dispute to restore the article to a state before vandalism. Unfortunately that means your edit here has been reverted for which I apologise, and hope you can reapply your work. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:20, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for letting me know. I have reapplied the date fixes to the latest version of the article. Keith D (talk) 10:49, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Spencer Matthews[edit]

Another "Yorkshire-ish" page for you to please check RE my recent edits. I think that ref 14 - the book which is the same as ref number 1 - should have an IBSN number. Thanks as usual.

Tech News: 2017-19[edit]

02:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-20[edit]

21:48, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-21[edit]

22:08, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Abu Eesa Niamatullah[edit]

Hello! I am notifying interested projects and editors that I've listed Abu Eesa Niamatullah for discussion at AfD, and you were listed on the revision history page.

I invite you to contribute to the discussion. Mujaddouda (talk) 23:35, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Lupton family[edit]

Please check my recent additions if you are able. Thanks as always Teddy

Tech News: 2017-22[edit]

12:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Updated maps[edit]

Hi Keith; hope the time away has been good. Don't know is this is an issue or not but all the maps for Yorkshire are out of date, specifically they should have a blue line running up them to show that the A1(M) will be fully open this summer (some parts are already being used). I am assuming the maps are transcluded, but I don't know if this is an issue or not, or indeed to whom I should be reporting it to. See Settle for an example. Thanks Keith and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 22:10, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi, had a good break but will take me some time to catch up. Thinking about it the East Riding of Yorkshire maps are also out of date as the B1244 was reclassified as A1035 in 2013, there is also a new Beverley northern by-pass that opened earlier this year which is missing from the maps but that is not on the OS maps as yet. Nilfanion (talk · contribs) created the maps from the OS OpenData information may be you could ask them to see if an update can be done. Keith D (talk) 19:59, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - June 2017[edit]

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Tech News: 2017-23[edit]

19:04, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

Please Keith can you replace the photo file that was removed 5 edits ago by the editor esmgee. This is an important and very popular article with strong Yorkshire references. Thanks as usual. Ted — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:37, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-24[edit]

15:29, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Dieumerci Mbokani[edit]


Mbokani isn't a player of Olympiacos F.C. yet. According to Greek media he's on a plane to Greece in order to discuss his transfer to the club. Because of this various IP's and some users adding him to the club or even changing his stats. Pavlos1988 (talk) 18:44, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-25[edit]

15:44, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm confused[edit]

Removing a G12 because it's been previously prodded? Also, FWIW, I went back on my own A7, because I figured I would give someone else the chance to look at it, who might be more "hip" and know whether it could be saved. TimothyJosephWood 17:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

It looked as though there had been a previous speedy deletion of A7 and as there is supposed to only be a single speedy on an article I removed the subsequent tag. Keith D (talk) 17:56, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Keith D What do you mean one single speedy on an article? An article can and should be tagged with multiple criteria if it fits and while I'm not contesting a non-deletion on a 50% copyvio, I'm not sure I understand what you mean? Articles can and are speedied repeatedly. It's one of many reasons we have {{salt}}.CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict)I... I'm pretty sure you're confusing PROD and CSD. An article can be tagged for as many CSD criteria as it's eligible for. And even if A7 had been declined (instead of me really just "passing" by removing my own tag after having second thoughts), having an A7 declined doesn't really reflect on whether it's eligible for other criteria, and definitely not one with legal implications like G12.
PROD is the one that can be challenged by anyone, even the creator, and it shouldn't be readded, but that's only another PROD, and itself doesn't affect CSD or BLPPROD at all. TimothyJosephWood 18:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Huh? Articles get tagged (appropriately) with multiple CSD criteria all the time. Also, removing a copyvio tag without removing the related copyvio? I'm also very confused. I think you goofed, it's OK, mistakes happen. Waggie (talk) 18:06, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
You are right it is PROD that is only a single event which is what I was alluding to in the edit summary. Sorry I was not thinking straight, as I keep loosing the connection at the moment, will reverse. Keith D (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Umm... assuming Chrissy was successful in removing the bit that was copyrvio, it's not exactly eligible for G12 any more, since that requires no non-infringing content on the page worth saving. I think the most it needs right now is a revdel of everything from this edit backward. Unless I'm missing something, the article's probably gonna stick, unless someone who knows more about it than I wants to go to AfD, but looking around the web, I have my doubts. TimothyJosephWood 18:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
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"Timothyjosephwood I'd say this is a pretty decent G11 candidate but I cba to deal with it at the moment. Also worth noting the creator's username + record label name... CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:22, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Possibly G11. The creator has been recently warned (by myself) for COI editing. Let's let the dust settle a bit before continuing, though, please. I'm sure the editor is confused and upset right now. I say we give them a chance to improve it further before tagging it with anything else. Waggie (talk) 18:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
I have removed the restored G12 and redacted the text of the earlier revisions. Hope that sorts it for now. Keith D (talk) 18:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Salt End[edit]

Hi Keith. I have revamped Salt End because there were tags stating citations were needed and also because most of the information was hideously out of date. However, I noticed that I had left some typos behind and I cleaned up after myself, but there's a good chance I have missed some. Could you swing by when you have time? Thanks and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 15:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Tranby Croft (band) for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Tranby Croft (band) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tranby Croft (band) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:03, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

St Helen's Church, Kilnsea[edit]

Dear Keith, I see you started Kilnsea and I'm wondering if you know anything about the Church of St Helen there? I found it [42] while doing a Geograph search for something else entirely. It certainly looks like Burges's work, but I can't find it in J. Mordaunt Crook, who is rarely in error. However, the 2005 Pevsner/Neave Yorkshire:East Riding says "Built at a cost of £420, of which £150 was contributed by 'Mr A. Burgess, a civil engineer of London'. The plans were provided free by his two sons - one of whom was the architect William Burges." I can't find it on the Historic England site, though it must be listed if it is Burges. Google suggests that it's now a private house, and may have fallen into the sea! I'd be fascinated to know anything about it and could add it to the List of buildings by William Burges. Thanks in anticipation. KJP1 (talk) 12:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I cannot find any details of it being listed - the only listed structure in Kinlsea appears to be the Acoustic Mirror. The previous church is the one that fell in to the sea, this one was built to replace it. The account of the consecration in the York Herald, 29 April 1865 page 9, says "Burgess, Esquire, C.E., Blackheath, Kent, who contributed £150, and the designs, plans, and specifications for the buildings". The church was still standing in 2015 when I took a couple of photos of it and it is not that near the sea to have fallen in to it. I suspect that the pub and the road would go first. It was de-consecrated in the 1990s and looked rather overgrown and unused in 2015 so may have since been converted into a residence. Keith D (talk) 13:59, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks indeed. It is fascinating - I cannot work out what he was doing in that remote part of Yorkshire, why his father should have made a significant donation, why we don't know who the patrons were and why Crook doesn't mention it. One would think there may be some connection with Bewholme Vicarage, they're too close for coincidence. His big Yorkshire patron was Ripon. Were they Ripon livings perhaps? Definitely worth some further investigation. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Here is another snippet that may throw some light on it from the Yorkshire Gazette - Saturday 22 April 1865 page 4 "But the great liberality of Mr. A. Burgess C.E., of Blackheath, who having occasionally passed the place on his professional visits to Spurn Point and struck with the poverty of the place, having heard that an effort was being made for building a church, most kindly offered plans free of all expense, and gave £150 towards its completion;" Keith D (talk) 18:35, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Keith (Talk page stalker) - still have you on my watchlist after my request about Salt End (thanks for tidying that BTW). KJP1 - I had seen some stuff when I was re-writing the Yorkshire Coast article; there is a pastscape listing[1] and also a book listing which suggests the church has an octagonal font.[2] Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


  1. ^ Historic England. "Church of St Helen (1042676)". PastScape. Retrieved 25 June 2017. 
  2. ^ Morris, Joseph. "The East Riding of Yorkshire". Retrieved 25 June 2017. 
All very helpful. So, is the answer that Burges Sr, visiting Spurn Point for his engineering work (what were Walker and Burges doing there?), gets his sons (?) to draw up the plans and chips in £150? Did Burges Jr ever actually go there? All very interesting and certainly worth some more digging. Thanks to you both and best regards. KJP1 (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Keith, have now created the article, here, Church of St Helen, Kilnsea. You don't have an online reference for the 1865 Yorkshire Gazette, by any chance? KJP1 (talk) 08:14, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
I have added reference detail to the article. Thanks for creating. Keith D (talk) 10:31, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
This James Walker (engineer) tells me that he was Chief Engineer to Trinity House, leading to considerable involvement in the construction of lighthouses. And Alfred was his partner in Walker and Burgess(s). And this [43] was built by Trinity House at Spurn Head in the early 1850s. Is that what Alfred was doing? KJP1 (talk) 09:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks indeed! KJP1 (talk) 10:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • To round this tale off, I've submitted a listing request to Historic England, following their confirmation that the church isn't listed. It bloody well should be. It really is surprising where Wikipedia sometimes takes you. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 21:11, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

Hi Keith - I have stuffed up ref number 7. Please leave in quote - thanks as always with your Yorkshire connections - Ted

I have fixed the ref problem for you. Keith D (talk) 10:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-26[edit]

15:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Ben Bradley (politician)[edit]

Hi Keith, you edited this page saying "If we are keeping then lets have a valid date format". I think we should remove the content sourced by facebook, and have said so on the talk page - guessing by your edit summary you agree? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 21:07, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

As you modified it I assumed that we are keeping the change. I think we should get a better source for the information and was going to tag {{better source}} before your edit but I got an edit conflict. Keith D (talk) 21:12, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


Hi Keith. Please check again. I don't think this is a BLP. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:29, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I have changed tag. Keith D (talk) 10:31, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

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SMILE! 9 July 2017[edit]

Tech News: 2017-28[edit]

15:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)


Could you please look into SubRE's editing history, he is vandalising pages I've created and it all seems fishy, my full real details social networking profiles and phone number will be given to you if asked

PS Hull is lovely!was there last weekend Asouko (talk) 10:53, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi, glad you liked your visit to Hull, hope that you took in some of the City of Culture events that are on while you were there.
Had a look at their editing history and apart from a couple of previous edits that seem to be valid from last year, all they appear to be doing now is trying to get rid of things by Phase (band) with deletion requests for a number of their song articles. They also appear to have removed some of the referencing to the main article, some of which were dubious, such as the facebook one, but some of the others look to be OK. Not an area of expertise so would not know if they were considered reliable. Will have to see how the ADF's go as looks like there is another delete in there from an established editor. Keith D (talk) 21:25, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Keith Hoping that you can check some new edits on these two pages - Glen Affric and Lupton family. Your comments on the talk section of the Lupton family page are again welcome - we hope that you can comment again how the page should still be given an "up-grade" - given that it is a very well-researched (thanks often to you!). Thanks again Ted101.189.184.64 (talk) 07:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-29[edit]

22:59, 17 July 2017 (UTC)