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Neurolinguistics

Do you have a handle on what this article is about? All the references are very technical and I would have to do some major learning to get this right. Do you think the article is actually combining more than one topic? Could you outline what I could be most helpful at doing? Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 01:11, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I have enough of a handle to write introductory-level stuff, but I'm not a super-expert yet. I agree that it would be nice to bring in some more accessible references.

As for what you can do...I was mostly just wanting a second pair of eyes to let me know if there are any major concerns that need to be addressed before going to GA (but it will be a while before I take this to GA anyway, so there's no rush)...and also if there are any particular sections that are really confusing, you could point them out. I imagine that the references we get are going to be pretty complicated, even if they're not journal articles, because that's just what the field is like...but my ultimate goal should be to take all that complicated stuff and dilute it into something that a WP reader can get something useful out of.

My main plan for the article right now is more or less as follows:

1. Add a section on some of the big issues that are being researched a lot (for example, the question of how information in sentences is processed, and how neuro uses specific brain responses–the ELAN, LAN, N400, and P600, note the redlinks—to piece that apart)
2. Add a section, if possible, on the applications of neuro to other fields and to real life
3. Possibly spin the "experimental design" section out into a separate article

That's about it for now. It's hard to go into stuff like the models proposed about how language processing works, because that is really more the domain of psycholinguistics (the way I like to think of it is, people in psycholinguistics propose a model about how the mind processes some language-related thing, then people in neurolinguistics test it...of course, there's a lot of overlap, but the general thing is that a lot of neurolinguistics is just knowing about brain imaging, and figuring out clever ways to see what the brain is doing; they just happen to do it with the goal of attaining linguistic knowledge rather than other stuff). —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 01:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Oi, butting in rudely, I'd be very happy to work on Neurolinguistics. But it will be at least one week, possibly three before I have any time. Later! Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 02:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem; it's not going anywhere! —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

• Actually, the article is looking rather good now. However, you say you are not an expert. I am an expert to some degree, but not specifically in neurolinguistics, which, if it is a cross-discipline field, becomes tricky. (Hope you are going to let others have the "last word", or you will never be done on AN/I.) —Mattisse (Talk) 02:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Haha, yeah, I'm trying... my buddy's latest comment doesn't have anything worth responding to, so hopefully I will manage to keep my mouth shut long enough for the thread to get archived. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Entropa

Hi, I just started following this article today based on a mention in the NY Times. If you need another view or citation the NYT article is Art Hoax Unites Europe in Displeasure. FWIW, and I'm not sure if I would stick my own neck out to defend the writer's statement, upon a rereading I was surprised to see "...while five Lithuanian soldiers are apparently urinating on Russia". Best, CliffC (talk) 22:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the source! It looks like there's nothing from NYT in there yet, so this will be very useful (to prove that it's been covered by mainstream media outside of Europe). As for the Lithuana thing...yeah, it's a bit touchy. There has been an ongoing argument at this article over what the soldiers are doing, and people have inserted all kinds of text, such as "urinating on Belarus" or "urinating on Lithuana's western and northern neighbors"...the consensus for now seems to be to revert everything that people add and leave it vague and non-speculative for now.

Best, Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I added source for my claim, although it in Czech, the important information in article should be pretty obvious to understand internationaly. It is much more obvious than any svastica reference on Entropa. But I may be not good at using external citations on Wiki, please take a look at it. --XChaos (talk)

Looks good now; the only problem was that you had three brackets {{{ }}} instead of two {{ }}. Thanks for adding your source!

Also, if you have time, could you provide (somewhere in the footnote; the easiest way to do it is put it after the closing brackets) your English translation of the relevant quotation (a sentence or two) in the reference, just for the benefit of non-Czech-speaking readers? Thanks again, Politizer ^talk/_contribs 14:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I can provide translation, just show me where it should be placed. Relevant fragment of text reads: Depiction of Germany on Entropa sculpture by David Černý in Brusel doesn't have to show just motorways or maybe swastic, but directly nazi symbol - number 18, according to two historians. Numbers 1 a 8 symbolize alphabetical order of letters A a H, which are initals for Adolfa Hitler. ..... "It's utter nonsense", Aktuálně.cz was told by Černý. "If someone wants to see symbolism where there is none, he or she always finds some.", he added.

That looks good; you'll just have to provide the original Czech as well. You can do it something like this:

<ref>{{cite web | ........... }} " CZECH HERE "<br />'''English''': epiction of Germany on Entropa sculpture by David Černý in Brusel doesn't have to show just motorways or maybe swastic, but directly nazi symbol - number 18, according to two historians. Numbers 1 a 8 symbolize alphabetical order of letters A a H, which are initals for Adolfa Hitler. ..... "It's utter nonsense", Aktuálně.cz was told by Černý. "If someone wants to see symbolism where there is none, he or she always finds some.", he added.</ref>

Let me know if you have any questions! (Warning: I will be heading to my campus soon so I might be unreachable for an hour or so.) Politizer ^talk/_contribs 15:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK templates

Thanks for the invitation to look at the new templates. Miscellaneous thoughts (take with grain of salt):

1. I like the idea behind the change from "creator" and "expander" to "writer," but I think the new terminology will drive many contributors away. Regulars are accustomed to the idea of "creation" and "expansion," and are likely to be lost when they see "writer." It requires more bytes, but I'd prefer to preserve the old terminology, perhaps by making this field something like "creator/expander" (but I don't think slashes are legal in the fieldname... maybe "creator_or_expander"?).

   That's a good point. Changing the name would not be difficult..."creator_or_expander" is a bit long, but I can't think of anything better. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

2. It's very helpful to see whether the hook I'm about to review was newly created or expanded -- and I think it helps keep nominators on their toes when they have to indicate this. That information still needs to be in the text display, IMO.

   I'm inclined to agree.... I think it was Gatoclass (and probably others, although I don't remember whom off the top of my head) who suggested to me that this wouldn't be necessary, since in theory we're supposed to be checking the article history anyway and then it should be pretty obvious. But personally I like specifying created/expanded. One solution would be to go back to having two separate |creator= and |expander= parameters (which would also solve the problems you raised in your first point...it would be tedious for me to code, but oh well, that's my problem). Another would be to add something like |status=, which could be set to "new" or "expanded"/"expansion", and depending on the setting would display "New article by ..." or "5x expansion by..." after the hook. That would be easy to code, and personally I would like it, but it does raise the problem of making the template a bit more complicated (as any addition of new parameters will do). Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

3. In the source code, the auto-generated credits for the "multiple" case are a nice improvement, but I'm not equally pleased with the standard example, where the single credit is almost overwhelmed by "div" codes. I don't like having to cut and paste information that is bracketed by "div" codes and other distracting markup code.

   I thought about that, too...unfortunately, I haven't thought of a way around it yet. There has to be something there so that the credits templates don't actually show up. (I guess technically there doesn't, other than the fact that our precedent is not to have visible credits templates on T:TDYK...personally, I think they're kind of ugly and might be distracting, not to mention there's no guarantee that the nom will be passed anyway so we might not want to encourage nominators by showing them that credit template right away.) The original version of this template used an embedded void template, rather than div tags, generating something like this:

{{*mp}}... that this is an '''[[example]]'''?
<small>Created/expanded by [[User:User|User]] ([[User talk:User|talk]]).</small>
{{User:Politizer/Credits | credits=          <!--Credits begin.-->
*{{DYKmake|Example|User}}
}}                                           <!--Credits end.-->

Which really is not any better. Of course, personally I don't find the extra markup distracting, but that's because I already know the template like the back of my hand and I can just tune out what I know is irrelevant; I can't expect everyone to be so familiar with it all. Anyway, I do agree with you that this extra markup is an annoying problem, but I believe it's an insurmountable one, unless people become willing to have nominations looking like this on T:TDYK:

• ... that this is an example? Created/expanded by Politizer ^talk/_contribs
•   Example – Politizer (give) (tag)

1. For the aid of people who are working with the source code when building the next update, it is very helpful that currently the source code contains clear labels for "hook", and displays each proposed hook on its own line. This seems to lose that, due to those pesky style codes.

   Ironically, that was what I had in mind when I added those comment tags above and below the hook...trying to offset the hook from the rest of the text a little bit. Maybe it's just cluttered things. Would it help if I added an extra space within each of the comment tags, thus making the hook be even more "by itself" (and thus stand out more)? Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

2. I'd like to see a standard way for people to add and label their proposed alt hooks so that the person building the update can easily find the hooks and quickly identify the alt hook that they intended to select. (Hooks should not be buried in other code....) --Orlady (talk) 23:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

   I don't know if it's possible to have that done within the template, since this one gets subst'ed (and thus is no longer a template) the moment it is used. I remember with the current {{DYKsug}} we did once float the idea of working in extra spaces in the template for when people add ALTs later, but it was shot down, mostly with the argument that it breaks up the flow of the conversation (with all the ALTs at the top, it might be difficult to see where they occurred within the discussion, and what issues caused ALTx to be suggested). I also remember not too long ago one user created {{DYKalt}} for making ALT suggestions (I think mainly on the basis that people were trying to suggest ALTs using {{DYKsug}}, which is only meant for brand-new nominations) and it was not very well-received. I guess we just have to find a way to balance making ALTs easy for promoters to deal with (as you suggest) with making them easy for nominators/discussers to deal with (in essence, by keeping the instructions for adding alts as simple as possible, most likely by not having them be involved in the templates and whatnot). Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I'm leaving my responses above. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:New DYK template for nominations

Hi, thanks for the message. Since I didn't find a discussion about this on WT:DYK, and since I don't have much time to look for one, I'll reply here. The template looks fine to me. I'm not that confident about the status parameter - if people messed up with nominator and expander parameters, won't they mess up with this? - but I think we could go ahead with it. We can always switch back if there are any major problems. Let's try it and see. Nice work with it btw :) Chamal ^talk 15:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK thingummy

Sorry for my ignorance but I'm not entirely sure how this new template is any different or how it will affect me? Is it that comments/reviews must now be left inside the template? --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T _# :) 01:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not used any differently than the current one; the main difference is that the end result looks smaller. Currently it makes something like:

{{DYKsuggestion 
 | hook = ... that...........?
 | creator=Politizer
 | creator2=
 | creator3=
 | creator4=
 | expander=
 | nominator=
 | image=
 | comment=
...etc.

the new version, on the other hand, makes

{{*mp}} ... that........
<small>Created/expanded by [[User:Politizer|Politizer]] ([[User talk:Politizer|talk]]).</small>
<div style="display:none;">
*{{DYKmake|Example|Politizer}}
</div>

Everything you do as a vetter will not be affected at all. You don't need to leave comments inside the template, because the template actually disappears when it is used (as you can see above, there is no template in the final output, like there is in the current version); you still have the discussion as normal. I thihnk the only people who will really be affected at all by this are the people who take hooks from T:TDYK to Next, since this layout looks slightly different. For nominating articles, the only real difference is that now you would say writer=Candlewicke instead of creator=Candlewicke or expander=Candlewicke. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I see. Well that isn't too big of a change at all. :) --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T _# :) 02:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

NewDYKnomination comments

Thanks. A few issues I can think of offhand:

1. Why not just call it "NewDYKnom"? I'm in favour of anything that shortens the amount of typing :)

Actually, {{NewDYKnom}} also works; it's a redirect to {{NewDYKnomination}}. I figured having the full name would make it clearer for people to see the template (in the category or whatever) and know what it is, and NewDYKnom would be useful for people (such as myself) who don't care and just want to get it typed fast. I suppose I could always switch them (make NewDYKnom the template and NewDYKnomination the redirect). Politizer ^talk/_contribs 13:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

2. If the template is going to format alt hooks as well as the original hook, I suggest they appear at the top of the output text under the original hook, with the credit templates following.

That wouldn't be too hard. Done Politizer ^talk/_contribs 13:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

3. I suggest you add to the "nominator" field in the template page a note that says something like Article nominator, if not the same as the creator/expander.

My original intention was only to leave documentation "instructions" like that for the fields that are required (article, hook, writer) and leave the others blank...I figured that would help force people to fill in the required fields (if they're copying and pasting from this example, they would be forced to delete the junk from those fields, and hopefully write something else in them) and would help clarify which fields are not required; in the table below there is a more specific description of when to use each field, including |nominator=. Although, I suppose not many people will be cutting and pasting directly from the template page, so it might not be a big problem to add more stuff to that example. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 13:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

4. No problem with the status field, that is a good idea.

- Other than that, I can't think of anything else right now that I'd like to see - although I'll probably think of something after you've finished it :) Gatoclass (talk) 08:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

BTW, do you think "author" might be a better label than "writer"? "Writer" seems a tad inaccurate as a label to me. Gatoclass (talk) 15:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Hm, that's probably better, since there is more to article creation than just writing prose (there's linking, formatting, bringing together refs, yada yada). I'll work on updating the template, the documentation, and the instructions. I might consider making |creator= also still work (although not be officially recognized in the instructions) just in case people accidentally enter "creator" out of habit...but that might be a pain to code. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 17:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I fiddled around with it a couple days ago and I don't know if it will be possible. Trying to make both "author" and "writer" work does this: because of the subst'ing, if you leave one blank it just inserts the text {{{writer}}} (or author, depending on which one I make "primary"), leaving you with a bunch of ugly stuff like Created/expanded by [[{{{writer}}}]]. So I guess we can't have our cake and eat it too; we'll just have to decide one to go with. "author=" is fine with me; I'll just have to sit down for a few minutes sometime and change them all in the template.

Also, I was thinking, is there any point having a new name? We could just redirect {{DYKsug}} to this right under everyone's noses; other than the change of "creator/expander" to "author," no one would even notice a difference in how they use it. Although I guess that might make people forget that it's a new template...telling everyone the name has changed might be a bit annoying, but it will also draw their attention to the fact that things are a tiny bit different. So I suppose we can just go ahead as planned, switching the instructions to this template (and maybe even doing some manual replacements...ie, if anyone after the switch uses DYKsug at T:TDYK, I could manually change it to the other template before the discussion starts); then, once all the instances of {{DYKsuggestion}} are off the page, we could redirect that and DYKsug to NewDYKnom. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 14:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm

Well Pol.., er, Rjanag. Interesting decision. I can understand why, but why Rjanag? Seems like an odd name to choose. (And difficult to pronounce might I add!) Cheers, » \ / (⁂) 12:06, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah...

Why have you made this change? What does Rjanag mean? For that matter, what does Politizer mean? But I had gotten fond of you with that name! Now I must change? —Mattisse (Talk) 01:22, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

When I log on at work you're "Rana" (well, R-square block-ana-square block ... I'm guessing they are IPA characters?!). At least my home computer has a decent browser, I suppose...! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:27, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, will do. Look out for a note under this heading in about 12 hours, assuming my train doesn't break down or something! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Everything looks fine now — those chracters are showing up correctly. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 08:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

South Korea and History of Korea

Hi Byeonggwan. In this series of edits, it seems that you have been copying material from History of Korea into South Korea#History. Those are split into separate articles, however, for a reason. First of all, the History of Korea article describes the history of Korean culture in general, whereas the South Korea article should focus mainly on the South Korean nation/political entity. More importantly, the article would simply be too long if we included all of Korean history, which is why the article just has a brief summary of the history, with the {{main}} templates linking to History of Korea and History of South Korea for readers who want a more in-depth history. If you intend to merge those history articles into this, please discuss it at Talk:South Korea before making any drastic edits. Thank you, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 04:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think it is somewhat strange to divide South Korean history into 2 pieces cause of the matter of space, and what I don't understand is that the part before division of South Korean history is longer than the after division(since 1945) as you know, but it is too short obviously. Anyway, I left the part of After division because it can be South Korean history.

Why do you not answer and just undo it on South Korea page? South Korea is considered as a one country in international world, but just Korea is not considered for now. They can check Korean history but South Korea is South Korea which is more important. And, I said I changed before division part mainly. I don't think it is necesary to point them out dividing its history into before and after division.

>talk/_contribs 04:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: AIV - plagiarism

I wanted to have an other pair of eyes review it, but since nobody seemed to care enough I've protected the page because it was going out of hand, but technically this was an edit war. He's wrong, but not wrong enough to allow that. I know this can be frustrating because that's borderline. The protection will last 12 hours, after that we'll see how it goes. -- lucasbfr ^talk 08:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't hesitate to ask for a review, I took the protection step because I really didn't want to block any of you and it was really getting out of hand. -- lucasbfr ^talk 08:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Huang Shan

Hi Rjanag. I saw your note at talk:Broca's area, which led me to look at your page. I had a sudden frisson of recognition when a vista of Huang Shan opened up before my eyes. I climbed there myself early in 2006 – through snow and mist (and none of yer funicular this and cable bloody that, thank you, but hard trudging all the way up and down). I took many photos that resemble yours. I'd love to go back when more can be seen. Blizzards are pretty atmospheric; but I'd like a longer view on the descent, next time.

I look forward to your work on Broca's. Related articles could do with a little freshening up, too. I'll probably do some myself.

–_⊥^{¡ɐɔıʇǝo}Noetica!^T– 09:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Wooly Willy

Thank you for your interest in Wooly Willy. There are seven or eight links and considering the article's length that seems to me and appropraite number. The article was reviewed once and failed. It has been expanded and renominated. Short articles can win GA status. While some information about WW will never be known, that hardly seems reason to 'fail' and article that exhausts the topic with the information available. WP is about quality - not length of article compared with DYKs, and number of links. Thanks again for your interest! ItsLassieTime (talk) 16:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the only links from actual articles (not redirects or user talk pages) are from Sesame Street and I Love Toys. You are correct that short articles can get GA, but there is still a "broad in coverage" requirement that I don't believe is met in such a short article; likewise, having only two sources suggests to me that it is not well-researched enough. But anyway, like I said, I am not doing an official review, just making suggestions; if you want to keep it up for review, you are welcome to. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 16:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

The real problem is source material. There's a dearth of material on this toy in spite of it being a "classic', still in production and named to a prestigious list. We know the artist's name who designed the card but it only appears in an unreliable source (the external link at the bottom). Broad in coverage is adequate here, I think - where, what, when, who, why. All established. It lacks detail - total number of units sold over a fifty year period, etc. etc. The sort of detail and anecdote that WP likes will probably never be known. ItsLassieTime (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I've taken your advice on this and withdrawn the article with the hope of finding more material. Thanks! ItsLassieTime (talk) 17:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't mean to discourage you from editing, since you have obviously done lots of painstaking digging up of information; it's just that I don't think the article would pass in its current state, and having two failed GAs in rapid succession would make it pretty hard to get it passed in the future when it actually is ready, so hopefully with some more work it can have a stronger chance later of making it. Happy editing, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 17:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Stephen Chow

Hi

I have been having problems as I don't speak/read Chinese.

There are several citations needed, as well as lots of info that has been removed and I would like to restore them.
One of the main problems is reading the credits to put peoples names next to characters.
If you read the chat page Talk:Stephen_Chow the last two sections have most of the details.

Can you help with this ?

thanks --Chaosdruid (talk) 03:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Chaosdruid. What exactly do you need help with? Do you have links to things that you need translated? I can't do any major translating (I'm not a native speaker, so I can read most of the stuff but it usually takes a while) but names here and there I might be able to get. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:06, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Oops, I just realized you might not have noticed this....I'm actually the same person as User:Politizer, with whom you discussed the article before. I just recently changed my user name. Sorry about the confusion! rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL ! It was mainly because of your requests that I needed help ! thought I finally had someone to give me the translations of the credits lol - Looks like we're the only two that keep plodding on at this one lmao

I still haven't had an email back from any of the Golden Horse people, so looks like that's going to be a problem.

Like the layout of the filmography section btw !

I'll keep plodding on trying to find those refs and get back to you soon about it all

--Chaosdruid (talk) 03:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Street newspaper

This article needs a lot of work if you are seriously thinking of FAC. As far as the "hoboes" quote, I would ditch it as hoboes and migratory workers are not the same thing, regardless that someone wrote that they were. I am certainly willing to help you with copy editing articles. I would advise stalking the FAC page, if that is your goal, so that you see the types if "issues" they consider important. One of the first I asked myself is if "street newspapers" is actually a term, but you did a good job of showing that it is commonly used for the meaning you intend. One thing about FAC, they are very particular about word use. I would advise checking out User:Tony1/Advanced editing exercises to get an idea of their values. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 04:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

{{subsections}} rewrite

Hi,

I like the elegance of this rewrite, but I'm not sure it quite captures the intention of the template. {{Sections}} is for articles which don't have any sections in the first place. {{Subsections}} is for sections which have gotten too long; the various paragraphs contained within might not vary much in topic, but nonetheless some headers would help with readability. Thoughts? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Hm...I suppose I just didn't see the different nuances between the whole template; I was mostly just trying to get them to work like {{unreferenced}} and others. (Like most template edits I make, this was precipitated when I tried to use {{sections|section}} in an article, and it didn't do what I expected.) I suppose I could make some further changes to {{sections}} so that in addition to just toggling "this article/this section" it would also change the wording to be closer to the original wording of {{subsections}}? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea, yeah. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Y Done. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Great! Cheers. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:06, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Personal attacks

This included some attacks on Ottava - consider this a warning. Please do not use personal attacks anywhere on Wikipedia.  GARDEN  15:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't intended to say anything about O R; I was just pointing out that he's a user I don't like (and he doesn't like me either; these things are both widely known, I think, among people who've dealt with us before) so it should be extra-special that I'm supporting someone who gets along with him. If it's problematic, I'll just remove it. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 16:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Changed. I thought it would have been clear before that the comment was not about me or Ottava but about Backslash Forwardslash, but anyway, hopefully this edit will alleviate your concerns? Best, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 16:35, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

That is an acceptable change, but please consider what you're saying before you say it, especially in somewhere as public as RfA.  GARDEN  20:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. I guess this is one of those ubiquitous problems with internet communication...you lose the nuance that you can otherwise put in with your voice and body language (in this case, to shift the focus of what you're saying to where it's supposed to be, and mark the rest as an aside) and people might think you're saying something different than you really are. Oh well. Not the first time that has happened. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:51, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments like this are one of the reasons why collaboration is going to hell in so many areas of wikipedia. I really was appaled by this comment. I would really be ashamed if I made it.--Patton^t/c 19:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

The new DYK template

Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) has eaten your {{cookie}}! The cookie made him happy and he'd like to give you a great big hug for donating it. Spread the WikiLove by giving out more {{cookie}}s, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Thanks again!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat a cookie with {{subst:munch}}!

That went nicely with a turkey and cucumber roll and a cup of tea at a desk-bound lunch! Anyway, I used the new template for the first time, having just finished that article I was talking about on the DYK talk page (the one with the missing images ... surprisingly I got all but four today), and "Status = New" didn't seem to work. I'm guessing that's because I should have put it in lower-case; if so, I think I'll add a note to the usage guidelines. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 23:10, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the update! I think I can modify it to make "New" work; just give me a few minutes since I'm in the m iddle of responding to an AfD right now. Thanks! rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't

Don't give the editor the pleasure of an answer. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess that's a good idea. Being hounded is sure fun though. :P Cheers, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:20, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

You meant hounded right? :) • \ / (⁂) 02:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Well....now it looks like what I need to be is trouted! rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Not trout worthy - just an important distinction between a minor online inconvenience and a very serious real life criminal offence. • \ / (⁂) 02:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yes, this is why you're running for adminship and I'm not ;). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

PS what prompted the new sig? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

What new sig? • \ / (⁂) 07:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Didn't it used to have » ? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 07:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah. Found the • in the title of a page I was referencing, so decided it was time for a change. • \ / (⁂) 07:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I wanted to thank you for welcoming to DYK as I now consider it home. Please do look over my approvals/questions and let me know if there is anything that needs improvement. Again, thanks. This is an area that I've never really seen until recently, but is certainly a fun one! ^Law _shoot! 07:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

You're very welcome! For a couple months I was a really intense DYKer, and racked up something like a thousand edits there, but lately I've been suffering some burnout and haven't done much. I'm hoping to get myself back into it eventually. From what I can tell, you've been doing great work, and the more you do there the more familiar you'll get with it; and if you're ever unsure of any noms, there are always lots of people around willing to help out and give advice/second opinions. Best, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 07:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I really hate to be that stickler, but I've been asking potentials to make sure their hook is in the article, and cited at the end of the sentence. Maybe IAR applies to some things. Trichoniscus pusillus was a case on which I need help. The hook is only inferred, but not explicit in the article. In fact, I enjoyed the article, but I couldn't verify it because although the hook was accurate, it wasn't as clear-cut in the article as I would have liked. Does that make sense? ^Law _shoot! 10:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think you're right; I just checked the article, and I got the same impression. I left the writer a message, so hopefully it'll get cleared up. Cheers, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Unconstructive comment

Please refrain from making completely and utterly unconstructive comments like "I hate Ottava Rima". That contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion, and is merely inflammatory; desist from making such comments in future. — neuro^(talk) 19:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)