Talk:Gerald Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster

Military secrets, prostitutes and controversy

This thing about the prostitutes needs to go away. News of the World is not a reliable news source. If prositutes were indeed hired, dont you think he would have been fired as head of the Reserves? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sartime (talk • contribs) 04:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. It is factually true (and referenced by the entry to the Daily Mail, not the News of the World) that allegations were made, and factually true that soon after those allegations were made, he was replaced as the Assistant Chief. That is what the entry used to say before you changed it, and seems to me a reasonable sentence to include in any balanced description of his career. If you can cite evidence that, nevertheless, the allegations were untrue, it would be important to cite it and add that fact to the entry. If you have evidence that there was another reason for the replacement, it would be equally valuable to add that. If you want to continue this discussion here, it would help if you signed your entry on this talk page using the four tildes. In the meantime, I will revert your changes. Js229 14:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I also agree that this section should be removed. We are running a big risk here of libel action by reporting rumour. There is a reason why The Times and The Telegraph removed their links for this story becuase they were threatened by his lawyers with the a libel action. Even if we are referencing the story from the daily mail website, which surprise, doesnt exist anymore, we can still face action. Londonfella (talk) 16:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Hold your horses there. On February 15th, 2009 the News of the World published further allegations that the Duke on one occasion spent £17,500 for a night with a call girl.

Fully story here

Quoting from the text:

The [24-year-old madam] spilled the beans shortly after being handed a six-month jail sentence in the US for money laundering, conspiracy and conspiring to promote prostitution.

Her ex-boyfriend Mark Brener, 63—who ran the escort agency— was this month sentenced to two and a half years for conspiracy to commit a prostitution offence and conspiracy to launder money.

The couple’s vice ring, the Emperors Club VIP escort agency, was exposed after New York Governor Eliot Spitzer— ranked by Suwal as ‘Client 9’ on the club’s exclusive list—was forced to resign over his fling with call girl Ashley Dupré.

The UK client list is believed to have included an ex-Cabinet member, a number of MPs, a senior judge, a prime-time TV idol, an A-list movie star, two well-known footballers, a rock star and billionaire Arab princes.

So it seems that it's all there in black and white...it will also come out in the wash in the next few days.

So I've put the section back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.73.111 (talk) 17:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

The reference is no longer there, when you click the link it says "page does not exist". Now, again as I have mentioned above, the story was just allegation, there was no proof. The News of the World has taken the story down becuase they know that they are potentially facing legal action from the Dukes lawyers. A story is not taken down just for fun, there has to be a reason for the removal of the link.

I would like to draw your attention to the following which is wriiten in the Biographies of living persons. In the sources section it reads:

"Material about living persons must be sourced very carefully. Without reliable third-party sources, it may include original research and unverifiable statements, and could lead to libel claims.

Material about living persons available solely in questionable sources or sources of dubious value should not be used, either as a source or as an external link.

Avoid repeating gossip. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to an encyclopedia article about the subject. When less-than-reliable publications print material they suspect is untrue, they often include weasel phrases and attributions to anonymous sources. Look out for these. If the original publication doesn't believe its own story, why should we?

And then in the Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material section it reads:

"Remove any contentious material about living persons that is unsourced; that is a conjectural interpretation of a source (see Wikipedia:No original research); or that relies upon self-published sources (unless written by the subject of the BLP; see below) or sources that otherwise fail to meet standards specified in Wikipedia:Verifiability."

Now pay particular attention to unsourced articles. As mentioned before, the News of the World article has been removed, so the controversy section regarding the News of the World is UNSOURCED so should be removed. Furthermore, pay even more attention to the word "libel", this on its own is perhaps the biggest threat that publishing these allegations will lead to.

Subsequently, I am removing the section again and will be happy to set up a discussion on the Biographies of living persons page.

Fulham

Can anyone find a confirmation from a more prominant source as if true would make an amusing entry for the article. "The Duke himself had a trial with Fulham but was given the red card by the then duke, his father, who thought soccer was an unseemly sport for an aristocrat." [1]Alci12 12:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

here [2]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Unverified statement moved from article

An informant of the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation named the Duke as "Client Number 6" in the FBI's affidavit.

This statement does not appear to be verified by the source given. There is no mention of an FBI informant, nor does it state that the Duke was Client 6. Dforest (talk) 21:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 17:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)