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Garrison Courtney

This is a vanity page. Nothing is cited. I can't find anything on the DEA website that identifies Courtney as: "Chief of Public Affiars." Pilkington1984(talk)

This is a courtesy renomination. The article was originally placed incorrectly on WP:MFD. Zetawoof_(ζ) 08:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: How about this ("Garrison Courtney, Section Chief, Public Affairs, DEA")? Plus 411 Google News hits suggesting notability. Gonzonoir (talk) 11:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Gonzonoir, these links prove that he does exist, but he is not mentioned in the Drug Enforcement Administration article or any of the other linked articles. The DEA website has no bio information on Garrison Courtney. This article reads like a resume and links to no secondary sources providing evidence of notability. The article also contains no citations to verify the claims it makes.

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I agree the article as it stands is pretty poor, but it's clear this guy is a prominent spokesperson for the department. His name's in so many press sources because he's the department's contact to the press. My understanding of how WP:BIO relates to unelected officials could be better, so I don't know for sure whether that qualifies him for notability, but I'd lean yes (with scope to be convinced otherwise if someone can quote me a relevant section of the rules). He's the public face of the department, in some sense. Gonzonoir (talk) 11:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - there are no articles about him. That he is a spokesperson means his name will appear frequently but those are passing mentions. -- Whpq (talk) 14:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - notability is demonstrated by by over 400 newspaper articles in which he is mentioned. Esasus (talk) 12:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - but none of them are about him. Being mentioned a lot doeesn't equate to notability. -- Whpq (talk) 00:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless we can find any material from reliable third-party sources that enables a biography to be written about him rather than articles which mention his name but are about other topics. Capitalistroadster (talk) 00:41, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There are no are no secondary sources that address him directly in enough detail to meet wikipedia's notability requirements. He has not received "significant coverage" outside of this very article which is composed of piecemeal data.Pilkington1984 (talk) 03:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete yes, he does work for the DEA. Does that have anything to do with our notability requirements? No. Dlabtot (talk) 04:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep chief of public affairs for the DEA or any other national agency of similar importance is a notable position. DGG (talk) 05:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Yes, he's a spokesperson for the DEA. Yes, I consider it a notable position, yet I'm still voting delete.

DEA official web site --> top domain, not independent, bad source

News from DEA - News Releases --> Again not independent and it is the news releases with just his name on them.

The University of Montana Broadcast Journalism Department --> Site search on Courtney's name yielded zero results, only tangentally related.

LinkedIn: Garrison Courtney --> Not a reliable source.

Virginia Association of Museums Annual Conference - March 25 to 28, 2006 - Speaker Biographies PDF (46 KiB) --> dead link

Northern Network News - April 20, 2007 PDF (132 KiB) --> Finally! A good source, but it's short.

My conclusion is that there are too few reliable sources to build a biography with. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks to me like something might be broken with the site search for the UM Broadcast Journalism Department. He's got a listing in the Alumni Association. I didn't take the link out, but someone might. He did graduate there, class of 2000. --Abd (talk) 01:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep per above. Ikip (talk) 10:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Passing mentions do not create notability. Nothing to write an article about beyond the job title; as a spokesperson, he doesn't even have attributable views, since he's simply speaking on behalf of the department. WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. THF (talk) 22:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Courtney was the editor of NoMoCo. Vegetationlife (talk) 23:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Being the editor of a student journal at an extremely minor school is not a claim of notability. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 01:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per DGG. Versus22_talk 01:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No matter his title, he is simply a contact person for the press. His name is at the bottom of DEA press releases, but there is no biographical information coming from the DEA. What is the merit of all the trivial background info in this article? The article was largely created by a single user!Pilkington1984 (talk) 06:58, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. His name appears in many places due to the nature of his job, but none of the coverage is about him. Passing mention only doesn't establish notability. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 09:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per DGG. As to objections re vanity, single editor creating, all that, so stub it, already. We should not be deleting articles on notable individuals, just because they are Bad articles, we should be fixing them. I've largely stopped fixing articles up for AfD because half the time the article vanishes anyway. If I did the work now, would that affect the !votes above? Maybe, more likely not. If the closing admin takes it into consideration. That happens sometimes. Sometimes not. --Abd (talk) 23:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note. I did add some references to the article, and took out one snippet re the DEA Museum. From the accuracy of the rest of the article, I think that's probably correct, but it's unclear what the "involvement" is. In spite of the nomination claim, it's easy to find sources for "Section Chief, Public Affairs, DEA." For example, see News from DEA, January 10, 2008, reporting that Courtney was "on location" in Detroit for filming of DEA, a reality show produced by Spike TV. --Abd (talk) 00:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 #:: Northern Network News - April 20, 2007 PDF (132 KiB) --> Finally! A good source, but it's short.
 My conclusion is that there are too few reliable sources to build a biography with. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
+::::Looks to me like something might be broken with the site search for the UM Broadcast Journalism Department. He's got a listing in the Alumni Association. I didn't take the link out, but someone might. He did graduate there, class of 2000. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 01:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 *'''Strong keep''' per above. [[User:Ikip|Ikip]] ([[User talk:Ikip|talk]]) 10:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 *'''Delete'''. Passing mentions do not create notability. Nothing to write an article about beyond the job title; as a spokesperson, he doesn't even have attributable views, since he's simply speaking on behalf of the department. [[WP:NOT#DIRECTORY]]. [[User:THF|THF]] ([[User talk:THF|talk]]) 22:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC)