User talk:ShivNarayanan

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Iyer

Hi! I feel that the information you've included in the controversies section would be more appropriate for Social and political issues section. Anyway, as you might observe, concerns have been raised about the size of the article, and there is every chance that your info could be moved to a new article while implementing summary style. Hope you don't mind :-). Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 06:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Posted reply on your talk page. Cheers, ShivNarayanan (talk) 23:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your expectations. :-) Anyway, rest assured, regardless of whether I continue to contribute or not, there are critical questions raised in discussions which demand my reply and I will peep in occasionally to defend my actions. And thank you very much for your cooperation. And if you don't mind, I wish to ask you something personal. By any chance, did you study at SASTRA Deemed University?Once again, thanks. tc.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 13:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Fernhills Palace, Ooty

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Non notable place, unreferenced, no sources whatsoever, unencyclopædic.

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Posted reply on your talk. I have added sources. Will expand this article in the next few days. ShivNarayanan (talk) 02:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome to remove the tag if you feel you can expand the article. Even if its only a stub, that will suffice. Please do whatever you feel is ok! :) Regards, Thor Malmjursson (talk) 02:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Sekkizhar

I don't have valid references to say Sekkizhar aka Arunmozhi Thevar is a sengunthar. I have only heard it. Are u sure that the Shaivite poet was from Thondaimandala Vellalar--Sureshmaran (talk) 17:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Criminal Gods and Demon Devotees By Alf Hiltebeitel, posted on your talk page too! ShivNarayanan (talk) 23:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

OK I had seen it--Sureshmaran (talk) 02:40, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Shiv, Sekkizhar's birth name is Arul(n)mozhi thevar. It could be expressed either as arulmozhi or arunmozhi. Okay ur refernces give it as arulmozhi. In Tamil we can express "thiruvarulpa" as "thiruvarutpa". (Thiruvarutpa= Thiru+arul+pa). Such similar way of expressing is "arunmozhi". It's not "Arun" mozhi. "Uthama choza Pallavarayan" is a title conferred upon Sekkizhar by the Kulothunga Chola II as he was amazed by the poetic talents of the former and made him the court poet. Iam unable to cite any online references. Anyway U can find it in a good library where Sekkizhar's life history is available --Sureshmaran (talk) 13:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Nakkirar

Replied on my talk page. PamD (talk) 07:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

karaiyar

Karaiyar, a fishing community also uses Mudali title

Ref:Caste, Nationalism and Ethnicity By Jacob Pandian--Sureshmaran (talk) 06:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

regarding sock puppetry

i had answered in that page. Please check it--Sureshmaran (talk) 10:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2009

Happy New Year ShivNarayanan!!!! I wish for you and your family to have a wonderful 2009!!! Have fun partying and may you make many edits!!!

-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 12:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Sureshmaran

Hello Shiv, I am getting set to close this SSP report. Add your own remark in the 'Comments' section if you wish to provide further input. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

If you have new evidence, please do not add to the closed case. You could open a new case. Call it something like Sureshmaran (2nd). I have to observe that the first case wasn't very convincing in terms of any real policy violations. Perhaps you could give me an idea of what new arguments you are hoping to make. EdJohnston (talk) 16:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Agamudaya Mudali

Agamudayar were using the Mudali title as early as 13th century. The Agamudayars at that time never used Thevar title. As u said Pasumpon. Thevar unified the three classes during the 20th century. Even if they are same many centuries ago, now their culture varies and the agamudayars of the south Tamil Nadu are known as "Thevar". Agamudaya Mudali/Arcot Mudali social group has many prominent persons only having Mudali title and not Thevars. They used only Mudaliar title even if they got migrated to Bangalore. See the case of Bunts and Nairs who are same by origin forming separate communities now --Sureshmaran (talk) 13:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Karkathars

Karkathars, Saiva Pillai are subcastes of Vellalar. I thought they would be related to Thondaimandala Mudaliars as they are also Vellalars by origin and forward castes. Added to that Saiva Velalars of the south Tamil nadu use Pillai title as Karkathars,Saiva Pillai. Anyway i think u should be knowing better about this community. Cheers.--Sureshmaran (talk) 13:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Shiv

Can we create new articles and provide internal links for the notable persons in the Mudaliar article list. Cheers --Sureshmaran (talk) 13:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Professor Anbazhagan

Professor Anbazhagan belongs to Kaattur, Thiruvarur District and heard he is a Vellala Mudaliar(may be Thondaimandala Mudaliar). I thought of removing his name from the notable persons of Sengunthar but had added only the citation tag in the sengunthar . What's ur opinion--Sureshmaran (talk) 02:47, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Tamilvendan,

Hello ShivNarayanan this is regarding your edition in Kallar (caste) page. Please don’t delete any articles, this article was created by Me, Ravichandar, Rajendran, usericon and few more peoples if you want any proof for this article you are always welcome just ask your question in the Talk page, just deleting will not take few seconds that will spoil our valuable work. Expecting a nice reply from you.

For the question asked by you my kind answer is, the proof for the chola clan can only be found by considering The surnames used by chola. And by considering the marriages happened with Whom (I also know lots of marriages taken place between chalukyas to strengthen their army)If you know any other way to find which clan cholas belongs to, you are welcome to reply.

Because if I am wrong I must confess.

Also if you want you can Help me to Provide a good Picture.

Thank you,

Tamilvendan