Talk:Adam Lambert

Official artist website

Adam's official website just launched at www.adamofficial.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kozpod (talk • contribs) 15:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Religion

{{editsemiprotected}}It is notable that Adam is Jewish. Please add Jewish as the religion to the infobox with the following reference: http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/adam_lambert_the_jewish_american_idol_20090429/

Wikipedia guidelines say: Category tags regarding religious beliefs and sexual orientation should not be used unless two criteria are met:

• The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or orientation in question;
• The subject's beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life, according to reliable published sources.

Adam does publicly identify himself as Jewish and it is relevant since he has performed at many Jewish events.

Thanks.

 Not done: The reference is a blog. To meet those criteria, you need some reliable source or sources in which he is quoted or said to have self-identified and somehow to have tied that to his notability. Celestra (talk) 14:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, there is this video of him singing Shir Lashalom in hebrew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNb2Qsh0F_Q&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Epollsb%2Ecom%2Fpolls%2Fp2098688%2Damerican%5Fidol%5Fadam%5Flambert%5Fsings%5Fjewish%5Fsong%5Fhebrew&feature=player_embedded There aren't many people who just happen to pick up hebrew on a whim. It's pretty good hebrew, too. I don't see how it's related to the article, however, unless he's the first Jewish person to win. Then it might deserve a bit of mention. - 71.193.11.63 (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

155.239.195.240 (talk) 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC) There are some sources that state he is Catholic, and furthermore vidoes of Kris performing in Hebrew and is in fact Christian. There are testimonies out there that state his old MySpace Page stated this. Therefore any respecting human being may perform in any language to honour any culture or religion that he or she sees fit.155.239.195.240 (talk) 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Bottom 2

It should be noted that at no time during the 4/29 elimination episode did Ryan actually say that Adam and Matt were the "bottom 2" contestants. On the contrary, Adam, Matt, and Kris were presented as the bottom 3, Kris was sent back to safety, and then Ryan said it was "between Adam and Matt." I put this here simply because there has been much internet chatter over the possibility that Kris was sent to safety first as a means to create drama on the show, the presumption being that it would be a shock to viewers to see Adam (a perceived frontrunner) standing in the spotlight with Matt as one of the "bottom 2." No action necessary, really, just making a point that this particular topic seems to have become a point of contention over the past week. Bodypuzzle (talk) 04:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. Other editors have been attempting to change "bottom 3" to "bottom 2". This article in Reality TV World supports your statement. Also, sources such as this one at MTV.com seem careful to say "bottom three" but not "bottom two". Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I haven't changed this back to "bottom 3" because another editor already reverted me once when I did, so I will leave this to others. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 18:42, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Allison/Adam versus Kris/Adam

The Kris/Adam friendship is discussed in reliable sources. If the Allison/Adam friendship has similar sources, use them. If not, you simply can not "source" your observations to YouTube videos and interpret them as you like. That's original research and it's not allowed. Unitanode 16:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They're not just "various YouTubes". They're footage from the show and an uncontroversial interview with Rickey Minor. I'll remove the "I love you" bit since it could be misinterpreted. All I'm doing is recording Rickey Minor's opinion.--Yolgnu (talk) 01:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The point is, videos are primary sources, which are not allowed to be used as sources. Unitanode 20:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

• If you continue to add poorly sources material to this BLP, you will be reported. We've been patient enough with you on these matters. Either find a reliable source (not a primary source) for your addition, or it stays out. Unitanode 22:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Categories for sexuality

Yes, he's most likely gay. No, he hasn't self-identified in any reliable sources. No, the categories don't belong, at least not yet, and if they keep getting added to this WP:BLP, the people doing so will be blocked. Unitanode 23:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. -- Banjeboi 01:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Amtrak11 is adding them again. Trust30H3 (talk) 21:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Question!

is it okay to add stuff about kris & adam's friendship? for example (i got this from topidol.com--yea, i know it's a blog & i think they got it from kris's official fansite): "Adam painted Kris's thumbnail after the homecoming visits and removed the polish from one of his own nails, stating 'If you can carry around a piece of me, man; I can do the same for you.'" or is that just completely irrelevant. 76.197.57.235 (talk) 01:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Seems too trivial; if we were writing a book it may make for interesting filler. -- Banjeboi 01:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Years active

I think 2008 isn't the right date since Adam definitely had a career in music before this. What's the qualification for years active? Regardless of what it is, it's definitely not the one that's listed. Kyuu (talk) 04:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Adam's iTunes rankings

Top 100 Songs: #4 Mad World, #16 A Change Is Gonna Come, #36 One, #40 Cryin', #45 Slow Ride, #64 The Tracks of My Tears, #68 Ring of Fire, #77 Whole Lotta Love, #89 Black or White, #98 Born to Be Wild Top 100 Albums: #1 Mad World, #2 No Boundaries, #3 A Change Is Gonna Come, #15 Cryin', #16 One, #19 Mad World, #23 Slow Ride, #26 Favorite Performance, #30 The Tracks of My Tears, #33 Ring of Fire, #41 Whole Lotta Love, #45 If I Can't Have You, #50 Born to Be Wild, #54 Play That Funk Music, #56 Black or White, #58 Feeling Good Top 100 Music Videos: #6 Mad World, #8 A Change Is Gonna Come, #9 Mad World, #11 No Boundaries, #12 The Tracks of My Tears, #25 One, #30 Cryin', #44 Play That Funk Music, #45 If I Can't Have You, #51 Born to Be Wild

• As of May 21, 2009 Adam has 10 songs, 16 albums and 10 music videos on iTunes respective charts. Adam has more albums on the iTunes chart than any other person in history.

The issue as always, is sourcing. Do we have independent sourcing of this or a way to confirm the Itunes data? -- Banjeboi 09:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

the iTunes rankings are trivial. Billboard is what matters.--23prootie (talk) 11

02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. It's policy to not include iTunes rankings, only Billboard.--Yolgnu (talk) 11:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I completely disagree that Itunes ranking, aka sales, are trivial, they seem to be the leading seller of digital music. To me the issue is only that we provide context and sourcing which I think has remained an issue with Itunes. We do include Itunes information if it is otherwise sourced, that is my point. -- Banjeboi 11:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Proof of Lambert's sexuality

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/22/adam-lambert-talks-idol-finale-sexuality-katy-perry/

It States "As to whether the speculation surrounding his sexual orientation impacted the final vote, Lambert simply laughed, and answered, “Probably.”"

I Think This Answers That Question —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bvernon199 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

If the question is "is Adam Lambert gay," then no, it doesn't. It only states that speculation over whether or not he is gay was part of the outcome. As far as I know, the only thing Adam himself has said, in the context of acknowledging that photos of him kissing other men are authentic, is "I know who I am." Maybe he's gay. Maybe he's bisexual. Maybe he's straight but he kisses men. We don't know. Exploding Boy (talk) 17:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, we do have plenty of sources that state he's openly gay so we can talk about the subject but we should do so conservatively. There is quite a bit of media coverage if his being gay impacted the final vote so that is likely where the content should be addressed. I'll do it if no one else does. -- Banjeboi 20:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not saying I don't think he's gay, only that this source doesn't confirm it. Exploding Boy (talk) 22:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I was more addressing the issue but agrre we have to stick with the sources and let them lead. -- Banjeboi 22:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a simple formula for certain types of discussion. Lets use the Duck Test on Lambert and see where it gets us.--Jojhutton (talk) 22:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Lol! The duck test won't be acceptable in this case I'm afraid although that's an interesting proposal. We're in no rush and the world will keep spinning until we find NPOV and reliably sourced way to include this content and context. -- Banjeboi 23:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:DUCK is only an essay, useful in some instances, not in others. In this instance, if we have reliable sources indicating Adam's gay, then let's use them. But french kissing someone of the same sex does not lead to the inescapable conclusion that someone is gay, as the "duck test" suggests. Exploding Boy (talk) 23:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Just checking, would his own Friendster profile be an acceptable source for everyone since it does belong to Adam Lambert himself?

http://profiles.friendster.com/3761487

In the "More about Adam" section it states "Openly Gay. Honest. Anylitical." which kind of leads me to believe that he is gay. Ixistant (talk) 15:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

And a poor speller. But are we sure he's actually running that page? Exploding Boy (talk) 15:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Adam Lambert and Queen

While I think Adam Lambert is one of the most gifted singers since Freddie Mercury, I don't think that Brian May's comments in any way lead to the conclusion that they're considering him as a member of the band. All the cited says is that Brian May respects him as a great singer ("That is one amazing instrument he has there") and that he, Brian, would like to talk to him regarding potential collaboration. As a lng time Queen and since Hollywood week Adam fan, I think they'd be very well suited, although I have major doubts as to whether any such collaboration should be billed as Queen. Therefore I'm going to reword that section to reflect more accurately what Brian May said, rather than what people would like to read into it. Wavy (talk) 17:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

OK, because of the (probably necessary) semi-protection on the page, I can't make that change, but I would be grateful if some one would. Wavy (talk) 17:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 Not done

The source, Billboard, is reputable, the title of the article is "Queen Considering 'Idol's' Lambert As Frontman" with the lead sentence - "American Idol" runner-up Adam Lambert's performance with rock band Queen on the finale of the TV singing contest this week has the British band thinking about a new front man. supporting exactly what we have. -- Banjeboi 19:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Age

Adam Lambert was 27 years old when he was born? johno95 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC).

Bottom three

Adam was in the Bottom THREE -- Not the bottom two! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.145.185.163 (talk) 19:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, see also this discussion further up the page. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 19:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Chart position for Idol performance's songs?

I checked on Billboard today and find the following article: [1]. It does stated in there chart position for Lambert and Allen's idol performance so would it be reliable source? Coz' I checked Archuleta's article and in the discography, there was section for the idol performance as well as other single. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karius13 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Billboard is reputable and generally the Archuleta article is also up to snuff. -- Banjeboi 00:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Jewish?

Wait, if we can't say Adam is gay, why is it okay that we're saying he's Jewish? First of all, I know he's Jewish (by heritage) and I believe it, but the sources aren't really credible. One is a blog. If Out/The Advocate - which are credible sources - publish entries about Adam being gay and we still can't put that on his page, then I don't see how different media outlets (especially blogs) publishing that he's Jewish is more credible. As far as I know, Adam hasn't self-cited as being Jewish or practicing Judaism (he's cited on his myspace that he's agnostic, which is also not sourceable, but I'm just making the point). Isn't that a double standard when it comes editing? I'm taking it off, but if you want to argue your case, go ahead.Kyuu (talk) 03:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Mako is a reliable source, since it's the official website of the biggest news company in Israel. They made a report about American Idol's final but most of this report is about Adam being Jewish. Edenc1 • Talk 03:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Jewish Journal and other sites like it don't care if they're reliable. Really their only intent is to "add another person to the club." They're sources are that he sung songs in Hebrew and his surname has something to do with Passover. Which is, suffice to say, a big stretch: Lambert (surname). Until there's a public statement clear enough, I've removed this information. Bulldog123 10:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Again, Mako isn't "other sites like it". I'm not gonna add it back, but if there's a reliable source you shouldn't remove it. And we can't "judge" sites, it's really not NPOV. Edenc1 • Talk 11:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

How about this interview? (The lines right after the image that says "My new life picture.") All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

That's a much better source, but even that felt icky to source it with ('mmm hmmm'?). In the same way that we respect excluding the numerous sources that say he's gay, we should respect excluding these (for now) - especially given other statements where he says he's "atheist." We're not getting into Jewish maternal lineage (if it is maternal lineage?) or Jewish ethnicity here either because it's absurd and irrelevant. We don't know anything about his parent's backgrounds. If this becomes relevant in some way, like his sexuality, it can be returned, preferably with something less loaded. Bulldog123 02:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

He says he's Jewish, what more do you want? It doesn't matter what his parents are, or if he was born Jewish or not. Edenc1 • Talk 07:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd agree. BTW, I've not seen any actual references that state he's an atheist. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 10:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't matter whether you agree or not. We have to respect WP:BLP. The jump from "mmm hmm" to categories like Jewish American musicians with people like Bob Dylan is your personal additions, not something actually verified to the fullest and clearest. It is entirely possible that he would not agree with this classification, and we're not ones to decide that. Nonetheless, we're not adding him to any other categories. I wouldn't add an agnostic category either. For the same reason, we're not going to include him in Category:LGBT musicians. Bulldog123 03:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Please stop vandalizing Adam's page, Bulldog. These are reliable sources, and Adam identifies as Jewish. Why would he be offended to find himself categorized as Jewish on Wikipedia?--Yolgnu (talk) 07:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

That is not your decision to make. "Mmm hmm" is simply not good enough to certify him as someone who's Judaism is at all relevant to his career, which is the only reason he has a wikipedia page to begin with. You must understand that removing this information does not make him "not Jewish," in the same way that not putting he's gay does not make him "not gay." It simply does not advertise the information to dubious lengths, which is what these sentences and categories do. If you're so obsessed with advertising it, make a fan page. Bulldog123 16:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

His Judaism is not at all relevant to his career? Really? Well then why have videos of him singing "Shir LaShalom" in Hebrew, "As You Walk With Me" in Hebrew, and "The Prayer", also in Hebrew and in the synagogue on Kol Nidre, the holiest night of the year, become hits on YouTube? He's said he's Jewish, he sings Jewish songs in Hebrew - what further proof do you need? Look Bulldog, I'm not even Jewish, but it's clear to me - and everyone else, it seems - that Adam is, and your mindless blanking of the facts is unnerving. If you continue to edit war and revert irationally even after mountains of proof, the inevitable inference will be that - whether consciously or subconsciously - you're exhibiting antisemitism.--Yolgnu (talk) 00:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

A) There are no "mountains of proof." There's a strangely resistant "mm hmm," and, had you read what I wrote, I said that not including this doesn't mean he's "not Jewish" anymore than it means he's "not gay." It just means we're not forming connections with it. B) You're tying his alleged Judaism to his singing of songs in Hebrew - taking from it some type of "obvious" pattern. That's pure and simple synthesis of research. You can't do that. I'm not here to lecture you on how wikipedia works. But again, you seem to ignore WP:BLP. There's actually nothing wrong with the mention of his singing songs in Hebrew, so I've come up with a way to neutralize this. Hopefully you'll be receptive to it. Bulldog123 00:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

While not commenting on this discussion, I will say that Bulldog123's last edit was a violation of Wikipedia:Three-revert rule, as he reverted four times in the span of 24 hours (02:59, 5 June 2009, 16:04, 5 June 2009, 21:20, 5 June 2009 and 00:40, 6 June 2009). All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 00:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay woah. I started this conversation so I'm going to butt in now. I called out the double standard in editing because it's a double standard, but if he cites in an interview - first hand information - that he is Jewish, then I don't see why it's something that we should refute. Bulldog, if you go on to read in the interview, he actually explains his Judaism a little more than "Mm hmm." I don't see how that makes it strangely resistant. Adam has never cited himself to be atheist though. I'm not linking them, but he has social networking sites where he listed his religion as "other" or "agnostic." Still, it was a direct question (Are you Jewish?) opposed to the roundabout way to get to his sexuality (Did speculation, etc.?) so it's kind of hard to refute a reliable source like that. Kyuu (talk) 06:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Bulldog, you keep saying "it's not your call". Well it's not your call to make that "mmm hmm" means "no". It seems you wouldn't be satisfied unless Adam had answered "Yes!!! I am Jewish!!!11" to the question. There's a very clear consensus here that he's Jewish - you're the only one in denial - and if you continue to violate 3RR, edit war and spit in the face of consensus, I'll have no choice but to assume you have some sort of agenda. You're a known disruptive editor, and concerns have already been raised at WP:ANI[2].--Yolgnu (talk) 13:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It's almost as if you ignore everything I write and just maintain this same confused mindset. I'm not interpreting "Mmm hmm" as meaning "I'm not Jewish." He is Jewish in some way, else he would have never said "Mmm hmm." However, not including the associated categories on a living person does not mean he's not "Jewish," it just means it holds no relevance to this article. Attributing him as a "Jewish musician" because he said "mmm hmm" and connecting his singing in Hebrew as an open embrace of Judaism is plain and simple WP:SYNTH. You're forming conclusions in this article that shouldn't be formed by editors. We have no indication that his Jewishness has anything to do with his career, and you're making it seem that way. In fact, his obvious reluctance to even openly talk about makes it really icky to categorize him like this. If this wasn't a WP:BLP issue, there wouldn't be a problem. If you found out his grandfather was Norwegian, would you jump into categorizations of Category:Norwegian musicians... probably not... because it seems totally irrelevant. Adding it is like adding trivia. Even the interviewer says that this information seems to only concern "Jewish parents." Bulldog123 19:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

If I may correct a few points here - I've seen a lot of people who indeed only had a Norwegian grandfather or great-grandfather be immediately classified as "Norwegian American" (see Category:Norwegian Americans), i.e. Paris Hilton (great-great-grandparent), James Cagney (grandfather), Iggy Pop, etc. (I'm not saying that I agree with these classifications; I'm simply saying that you were not correct when you said "If you found out his grandfather was Norwegian"...). Also, stating that Lambert had an "obvious reluctance" is your opinion - there's no particular indication of that in the interview - if he was reluctant, I doubt that the interviewer would have continued discussing his and her Jewishness, as she did (and "mmm hmmm" could actually be said in several different ways, from reluctant to enthusiastic to uninterested, just as "yes" could be). That's my opinion, of course, but so was the "reluctant" comment on your part. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 20:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

First of all, most of the examples you give (like the Paris Hilton one) are strongly opposed by many editors. There's a dearth of edit warring over including this type of material. Just because they manage to sneak in (it's impossible to control all of wikipedia perfectly), doesn't mean you have anything that "corrects" what I say. Also, you misunderstood. It's not the "mm hmm" that makes it obviously reluctant (though it is an intentionally ambiguous response, and I'm not the only one that notices that), but the general lack of information on this from anybody but bizarrely unreliable Jewish sites. It makes it trivial, not essential to an article. Yes, he's probably of Jewish heritage, but I'm saying if he was of Norwegian background, it is highly unlikely we'd be arguing over including "He is of Norwegian heritage" - nobody would care whether or not it was included because nobody sees it as important to the article's worth. I don't think Category:LGBT musicians should be included either once the "gay" thing is confirmed. It's a case of WP:OC because these categories should only be created if the combination "is itself recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic in its own right." That means we make Lambert join the unique-culturally significant Jewish musician group now? It seems absurd. Bulldog123 21:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

According to Bulldog's user page, he was the orchestrator of a failed proposal, "Overlistification". He clearly has a POV against lists and categories, but it's a POV that shouldn't be permitted to enter this article. Let's remember that it was a failed proposal.--Yolgnu (talk) 22:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

This is not a list, it's an article. And WP:OC, which I quoted directly, is a guideline, not a failed proposal. If you have problems with that, you can draft your own and open it up for proposal. Bulldog123 23:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

• This seems nonsensical. He clearly confirmed he was Jewish in the interview. What's the problem here? Unitanode 14:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree that him singing in Hebrew is non-notable in itself but it can be fitted into the sentence about his being Jewish. I've removed "Hebrew language singer" since it's potentially misleading and I doubt he'll be doing much more of it after participating in AI (I had a Freudian slip and said "winning AI" in my edit summary). Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got a source on another page to deal with[3]--Yolgnu (talk) 14:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

To be the Devil's Advocate, it does seem like it is the interviewer who cares so much about his Judaism and not him. He never actively engages in conversation about it. If singing in Hebrew isn't relevant, why are we taking the stance that him being Jewish is? Horvat Den (talk) 20:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but if a gay interviewer asked "Are you gay?" and Adam responded affirmatively and then the interviewer went to talk about how he saw Adam support in the LGBT community while Adam mostly didn't comment, does that make him less of a gay person? He responded affirmatively. It's not out place to judge whether he was "actively engaged" in the conversation about his Judaism or not. Kyuu (talk) 21:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Bulldog is at it again! He's now removed the references to Adam singing in Hebrew, and the Jewish categories. Lambert DOES NOT "indicate that he is of Jewish heritage", he says that he is Jewish. There's nothing about "Jewish heritage" in the interview, just Lambert saying he is Jewish. If anything Bulldog's new version is a violation of BLP. As Unitanode says, "This seems nonsensical. He clearly confirmed he was Jewish in the interview. What's the problem here?" I don't like to make accusations but at this point I'm virtually certain that Bulldog has an agenda, possibly an anti-semitic one. Bulldog's continued reverts are unacceptable and, if they occur one more time, I will be reporting him.--Yolgnu (talk) 22:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, he "indicated" that he is Jewish because not once in the interview did he "say" it. It was a question, and he answered in the affirmative. By definition, that's an indication. I'm not here to teach semantics. Feel free to "report" me. This is a content dispute, nothing more. Whatever personal demons you may have in calling me an "anti-semite" for a third time in a row, whether a persecution complex or personal offense, I don't know, but it isn't relevant to the problems at hand, which I have stated numerous times is a WP:BLP issue. I also suggest you read up on WP:OWN. You do not have sole power over this article. Bulldog123 23:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

That's certainly not the definition of "indication" in my dictionary, Bulldog. Please get consensus before restoring your controversial edits. And how am I "owning" this article? You're the one who violated 3RR.--Yolgnu (talk) 03:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Consensus? Exactly when did you get consensus for your current version? I don't remember having a "vote" here on whether or not to add the categories or the way in which you worded it. And there shouldn't be a vote because this content isn't really up for "discussion." Also, 3RR means more than three reverts. My fourth edit (00:40, 6 June 2009) was not a revert. Though, you probably overlooked that, because you blindly gather anything you can as ammunition for character assasination (ie: your mention of my failed proposal on lists or an unrelated and ignored AN/I complaint by a vindictive editor on a separate edit dispute) when you have someone who disagrees with the way you edit. Childish but not surprising given your WP:AGF and WP:NPA accusations of anti-semitisim. Bulldog123 04:07, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

You don't remember having a vote? This isn't up for discussion? You're obviously clueless as to the way Wikipedia operates. I suggest you read WP:VOTE and other core Wikipedia policies before stirring up trouble on a BLP.--Yolgnu (talk) 04:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hot 100 Digital Songs

{{editsemiprotected}} On the Pulse Music site, there was list of the 100 hot digital download from billboard. I saw that you guys include the ranking in No Boundaries for Kris Allen from 100 Hot Digital Download so should we include them for all other performance as well? #5:Heartless, #7: Mad World, #17: Ain't no sunshine, #32: Change is gonna come, #38: Apologize, #43: No boundaries (by Lambert), #57: One, #72: Falling Slowly, #75: Cryin', #84: Slow Ride, #87: What's going on, #94: To make you feel my love.
 Not done

Sorry, you seem to make a good case for adding something but it's not very clear what exactly. If you link to the source you think should be used that would be a start. -- Banjeboi 11:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

The Hot 100 Chart is different from the Hot Digital Song Chart. In the Discography section, I only see the chart position for Lambert's songs from CAN chart and US Hot 100 Chart. So from [4] and [5], it did say that on the Hot Digital Song Chart for 06/06/2009, #7: Mad World, #32: Change is gonna come, #43: No boundaries (by Lambert), #57: One, #75: Cryin', #84: Slow Ride. Can someone add this to the discography section, next to the song?User_talk:Karius13 May 30, 2009 - 22:34

Both those sources seem to be blogs/forums and not reliable sources. They may be accurate but we can't use them. Do you have a reliable source to the original? -- Banjeboi 23:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

On Billboard website, [6] provides the original list that the sources from above copied from. Karius13 - May 31, 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 12:33, 31 May 2009 (UTC).

Remove Adam from the gay sections

He isn't "gay" until he actual comes out and says it. There has been no concrete evidence presented as of yet so I don't see why it's being done. Trust30H3 (talk) 20:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, get ready for it.. He will come out in next week's issue of Rolling Stone magazine. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 10:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Even that, it's a leap to categorize him as a LGBT musician. Bulldog123 03:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

US Pop 100 Chart - 06/06/2009

{{editsemiprotected}} From this: [7], Mad World is at #30 for the US Pop 100 Chart for this week. Can someone add this in? ~~Karius13~~

Is there any real use in adding that information? We already show that it achieved 19 in the Hot 100; is a lower position in the Pop 100 significant?  Chzz  ►  02:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, for all other singles, they do have all of those chart position from other charts where the song may rank lower than in the Billboard Hot 100 chart so I do not think that this is worthless information. Karius13 - May 31, 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 12:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC).

gayness

he's gay. add dat in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.56.210 (talk) 09:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

• Once he says it himself, it will be added into the article. Until then, no. Unitanode 13:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Birthplace

I think we should include how he was born in Indianapolis, and moved when he was very young to San Diego, due to his the relocation of his father's job. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beachheat04 (talk • contribs) 04:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Expand Post-Idol Upcoming Album Quote

The Quote Says He has said that he plans to create a multi-genre album calling it a "rock-pop-electronic-dance thing..." The ... I Added In Means Theirs Additional Information That Quoted It Wouldn't Be Like That No Boundaries And He Wants Involvement. Most Music Sites To Not State The Whole Quote And I Found One That Did But I Can't Find It Under 1,000+ Web History Links And Would Like Help Finding The Whole Interview So People Can Be Informed About Adam's Next Step Which Interests A Lot Of People.

Awards

Can anyone create a section for awards? Adam will be receiving Young Hollywood's Artist of the Year award. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyuu (talk • contribs) 07:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)