Talk:Mir-Hossein Mousavi

link

This should be useful: http://roozonline.com/02article/007089.shtml roozbeh 14:35, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

NPOV

This article is highly slanted, and looks more like political propaganda. Among the offending lines:

• [...] incredibly respected and praised by many Iranians across the political spectrum [...]
• His strong commitment to Social Justice and Equality is well-known and is regarded to be at the core of his political ideology [...]
• [His bid] has been since welcomed by many Iranians who still recall his time as Prime Minister.
• [...] has been immensely welcomed by Trade Unions, Labour associations, grassroot activists on both sides of the political aisle [...]

And so on. It seems that these changes were introduced by 136.148.109.150. Orzetto (talk) 14:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

In such cases, you need to add POV-section and not NPOV for the whole article! Tag was changed for time being. By the way, try to express yourself with respect. Regards Parvazbato59 (talk) 18:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

The text seems to be written by a pro-Mousavi author. I will try to find some sources that have a more neutral point of view, then will update it based on those. --Ebright82 (talk) 08:03, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Since the article has not been revised can an editor please add an NPOV tag to the section in question. The election is coming up and this article is in major need of revision. Lazlo holyfeld (talk) 20:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)Lazlo Holyfeld

Cite error

I can't understand how to solve it. Will someone explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Nazifpour (talk • contribs) 18:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

in the "Premiership" section it says he is "well-remembered" this would be better stated as "well-regarded" because remembered implies that he is not longer living —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.245.47.21 (talk) 17:49, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Errors in the Infobox

In his time the president was "Ali Khamenei", not the current president "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad"; and also the leader was "Ayatollah Khomeini", not the current leader "Ali Khamenei". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.117.48 (talk) 04:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

free potato?

towards the end of the page:

"He asked for Khatami's support in his campaign. He also welcomed Karoubi's presence.He also criticized giving free potato to people by the government and called it a violation of law and said "we have no money to do so". He claims that he campaigns with minimum fund raising possible."

is this something based on actual fact, or just vandalism? 75.119.226.122 (talk) 12:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC) vandalism? I think Iran is building the bomb but free potato no the people are a little better off then that. If potatoes were replaced giving of money for votes by the current president the maijlis has stopped some of this . check ROOZ for accurate news.---- Nate Riley 10:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)---- Nate Riley 10:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)---- Nate Riley 10:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)N8riley

Yeah!

AhmadiNejad gave people free potato (which taken back from Gazza) to vote for him. Mamylo (talk) 23:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

2009 Presidential Campaign

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The Iranian government has blocked access to the social networking site Facebook amid political jockeying for the June 12 presidential elections, according to the semi-official Iranian Labour News Agency. Reformist candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi -- a former prime minister considered a threat to current hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- created a Facebook page for his campaign that has more than 5,000 supporters on the site. Those attempting to visit Facebook received a message in Farsi saying, "Access to this site is not possible," according to CNN personnel in Tehran. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianjohnsrud (talk • contribs) 08:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced comments

No source was provided for the statement that Ahmadinejad "in 2005 called the Holocaust a myth". A link was provided to the FOX News website which simply stated the same thing, also unsourced. Jiminezwaldorf (talk) 03:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

• Cp.: http://www.google.de/search?q=Ahmadinejad+holocaust+a+myth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.69.249.219 (talk) 22:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
• This is one of the most widely sourced claims about Ahmadinejad. While wikipedia's sources may not be great on this, it's pretty easy to find reliable sources for him repeatedly saying this or similar. -98.154.249.46 (talk) 02:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Media censorship

The campaign faced censorship several times,

"Yase no" یاس نو newspaper which was considered to be a newspaper of the reformists camp close to former president Mohammad Khatami, has been banned from printing and distribution 17th of may.

Facebook which became a part of his alternative media movement for supporters was banned 24th of may due to rise of his online media attention. But the government didnt have a clear announcement on this issue, and the ban was abolished 2 days later.

There have been no clear positioning of the governmental authorities on this issue, they try to keep silence, the "ILNA" news agency even announced that this filtering is going to be nullified soon. The reaction in Mr Mousavi and Karroubi's (the other reformist candidate) camp was a very sharp condemnation, telling the "ministry of Culture and Islamic guidance" that these illegitimate actions are not going to help them to keep back the flood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mammadsadeghi (talk • contribs) 04:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Albanian Wikipedia

Please, add a link to the Albanian version of the article: sq:Mir Hosein Musavi.--Getoar TX (talk) 08:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

2009 presidential election fraud in Iran

According Mousavi's supporters and based on reliable sources, Mousavi was the true winner in 2009 presidential election and Iranian were quite shocked by the results announced by the government officials. Mousavi rejected the result as rigged and urged his supporters to resist a government of "lies and dictatorship." . "I'm warning that I won't surrender to this manipulation," said a statement on Mousavi's Web site. "The outcome of what we've seen from the performance of officials ... is nothing but shaking the pillars of the Islamic Republic of Iran's sacred system and governance of lies and dictatorship," it added.

Mousavi warned "people won't respect those who take power through fraud." The headline on one of his Web sites read: "I won't give in to this dangerous manipulation." Mousavi appealed directly to Khamenei to intervene and stop what he said were violations of the law. Khamenei, who is not elected, holds ultimate political authority in Iran and controls all major policy decisions.

Supporters of Mousavi clashed with police forces in the heart of Iran's capital Saturday, pelting them with rocks and setting fires in the worst unrest in Tehran in a decade. They accused the hard-line president of using fraud to steal election victory from his reformist rival.Later on the unrest spread to other major cities of Iran. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nan20092009 (talk • contribs) 01:32, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Right-wing?

Yes, I realize "right-wing" / "left-wing" is sometimes a rather meaningless description, but what I found strange is that according to this, he has support from unions, which I would generally consider to be "left-wing" politics. So does he have other views that outweigh his union support? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.168.209 (talk) 05:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

During the first years after the revolution he was among the left wing of religious groups. His policies during those years have been leaning toward socialism. This was one of attacks on him, that he has not changed his views and he still believes in government control of economy. He has rejected this repeatedly and has said that privatization should go on and completed rapidly. But it seems that he still opposes full free market. Note: after revolution, left communist parties clashed with government and became banned, after those few first years, left means left wing of religious groups in contrast to say right wing of religious groups like Motalafe who are Bazaris (Merchants). 128.100.5.143 (talk) 02:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Responsible for massacre?

There are allegations that Mousavi was responsible for massacres on political prisoners committed in 1980-81, but in the text that this fact refers to it says nothing about this Mr. Moussavi. The only Mousavi that is mentioned there is Ayatolla Seyyed Ruhollah Mousavi Khomeini. Am I missing something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.38.1 (talk) 08:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I am also wondering about this. Not that I trust a damn thing on Wikipedia, but it clearly appears in the article linked that Ayatolla Khomeini ordered the political executions of 1988, not Mousavi. 142.46.214.106 (talk) 05:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

This is one of several additions made by one "Amir Mousavi" which seem to be extremely biased and aimed at discrediting Mousavi. I would revert the changes if I could, but the article is semi-protected and I don't have the right. NobleHam (talk) 10:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

"Mousavi’s reputation for radicalism was undiminished. When he introduced his cabinet in 1985, he boasted that his interior minister, Ali Akbar Mohtashami, was a religious conservative who’d built his reputation while building Hezbollah, the Party of God, in Lebanon." These statement are strongly one- sided. The people should decide whether they think that mousavi is radical or not. Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia. There are no verifications at all, I have found many stupid comments in the text "the middle class don't like him". Please keep the article semi- protected and help to keep standarts. The whole article needs serious alternations --Englishazadipedia (talk) 15:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Biased

The Election section is very biased since it was copied directly from Mousavi's website, I have made a few changes with citations. There still remain lines that are biased in favor of Mousavi's campaign.

And one of the quotations was deleted by a user stating it was 30 years old,the quotation was clearly from 1981, please do not delete without illegitimate reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amir mousavi (talk • contribs) 18:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Heh, Freudian slip: "do not delete without illegitimate reason" == "do not delete for any legitimate reason"?

Destynova 02:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Reverted this page to yesterday's version

Large edits were done to this page that seem to violate BLP. Several editors had come to try to improve the language, but since no other edits were done on this page, I simply reverted to the version before. I'm not sure what the wikipedia policy is for that sort of procedure. If there is a "correct" way to correctly undo a series of edits it would be good to know.

In regard to the nature of the changes, please note that biographies of living persons WP:BLP establishes higher than normal requirements for citations. Dispariging or critical remarks are probably best discussed on this talk page before adding them to the main article. In that fashion, other editors may be able to suggest better language and/or provide guidance on handling sensitive matters. Jeff Carr (talk) 19:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Restoration

Jeff Carr, please do not undo all the changes and revisions that have been done by many people to restore the older biased version which was directly copied of of Mousavi's website. The revisions have citations. Please respect peoples' hard work. Mass editing and deletion of large amounts of cited text is not reasonable.Your own mass deletion by undoing certainly violates BLP. If there is something wrong with the addition please mention the problem so we could fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amir mousavi (talk • contribs) 19:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure, let's talk about them here. Jeff Carr (talk) 19:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

It was best to revert them all due to BLP as too many of your changes where unsourced. Also potentially negative comments on living persons is very strict so it's best to be careful. Other editors had commented on the potential POV of your comments. It's probably best to work out some wording on the talk page since you seem to know the details here well. I'd suggest you post potentially controversial content on the talk page, then ask for input, then add it to the main page after there is some discussion. Jeff Carr (talk) 19:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Jeff, All my revisions were sourced and cited, while the version that you keep reverting to is not sourced and like I said is directly copied of his website. Please instead of undoing the entire article point out whatever that is not sourced or you think might violate policies, and Ill be more than glad to help fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amir mousavi (talk • contribs) 19:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

This article is terrible

So far, all we have about his life before becoming prime minister is that he was born in 1941 and that he was a student under the Shah's regime (the whole of the Shah's regime? Was he a 38 year old student in 1979?). The intro mentions that he was minister of foreign affairs before 1981, but it is unclear when and for how long. Nor is his tenure as prime minister discussed in any detail - there's a few disconnected facts, and then we move on to some confused discussion of the 90s which talks about Mehdi Karroubi without any context and makes little sense to anyone who doesn't already know the story. Could somebody who a) knows something about this; b) is fluent in written English; and c) actually has some idea of how to present context and explain this to people who don't have background knowledge about him please fix the article? I'd have thought that, since he's been in the news for some months now, the article would be better than this. john k (talk) 20:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

John, the initial article seemed to biased towards serving a propaganda for Mousavi's campaign, and like you said it was not rich in content. Karroubi was another candidate in the recent elections, he is a member and supporter of the same political party as Mousavi. please let me know if you have any questions about the situation.I did remove some out of the context facts about KarroubiAmir mousavi (talk) 21:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it's pretty badly written and sourced. Some of the links to other wikipedia pages don't even back up stuff said in this article (1988 massacre link goes to a page about Khomeini's initiating it, etc.) Bleh. -98.154.249.46 (talk) 02:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Political massacres

What the hell is happening with Wikipedia? This kind of nonsense should never have lasted this long on an article about a figure such as Mousavi, especially considering WP:BLP and the fact that this information was put up during a presidential election. It is a well established fact that Khomeini gave the order for the massacres and was the only one with the authority to do so. No one beneath the Supreme Leader has any such authority, except perhaps the Head of the Judiciary, who is also a cleric. IranianGuy (talk) 05:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Iranian Guy, Please do not remove text before discussing it here.Wikipedia is not to become a tool for propaganda. The text did not say that mousavi ordered it, it clear says that he was the prime minister of the govt and therefore involved with the execution of the order. Also do not remove every single part of the article that you do not like, without stating why. Covering up for such activity, is against international human rights laws. Please discuss before editing and removing and cooperate or you will be reported.Amir mousavi (talk) 17:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Restoration

Kurdo and IranianGuy please do not restore to the biased previous version, discuss any problems here, and let editors do the editing. please stop removing sourced quotations(calling them 30 years old is not a legitimate reason for removal, it still portrays his history of foreign policy. Again, do not restore please discuss here, and let the editors do the clean up.