Talk:Grand Slam (professional wrestling)

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Five Belt Champions

A user keeps adding this to the page. I've done several google searches and have found nothing about this supposed championship. It appears to be OR that was made up by the user since there is no official definition of this championship. Besides, even if it was real, it wouldn't belong here. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

United States Championship

There is a problem with this article. First off, I added JBL to the Grand Slam Champion table due to his being former WWE Champion, World Tag Team Champion, European Champion, and United States Champion. It clearly states on this page that the WWE/WWF title and World Heavyweight title are interchangeable as well as the World Tag and WWE Tag team titles. Now it is clear that the Intercontinental title and the U.S. title are equivalents, so why doesn't JBL's U.S. title reign earn him a spot on this list? Furthermore if JBL doesn't belong on this list, neither does RVD. He was not the European Champion, he only "unified" the European and Intercontinental titles, so he never actually carried the European title as JBL did. Plus there's no reference in place for RVD's placement on this list. Xvxaderynxvx talk 18:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

There is no official source that says that US title can be used in the Grand Slam, however obvious it may seem. RVD won the European title. His reign may have only lasted one second since it was a unification, but he still won the title. JBL never won the IC title, so no dice. Plus, WWE hasn't mentioned the Triple Crown or Grand Slam in so long. There are sources stating that the WHC and WWE tag team championships count. No such source exists for the US title, and Wikipedia operates on facts, per WP:V and WP:RS. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Does this source count?[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.245.84.137 (talk) 12:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Something I noticed about the references

The second paragraph under "World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment" says that WWE stated "Michaels was the first-ever Grand Slam Champion, capturing the European Championship once, the World Tag Team Championship four times, the Intercontinental Championship three times and the WWE and World Heavyweight Championships a total of four times."

However, if you follow the reference provided to Michaels' WWE page (ref #1), it doesn't say that. In the 4th paragraph on that page it says "He was WWE’s first-ever Grand slam Champion, holding the European Championship, World Tag Team Championship, the Intercontinental Title and WWE Championship." Does this mean that the WHC is no longer considered a substitute for the WWE Championship?

And also, reference #2 doesn't seem to lead anywhere. With no reference to support it, can the WWE Tag Team titles still be considered as an alternate to the WWF/World Tag Titles? HidyHoTim (talk) 13:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

If we simply copied the ref then that would be a breach of copyright. The paraphrasing does not affect the ref. The Kurt ref needs to be resourced. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I completely understand not copying the reference verbatim, and I'm not saying we should. But nowhere in the ref does it say that the WHC is a part of the GSC. In the ref it says Michaels became the GSC by specifically winning the Euro, Tag, IC and WWE; and that Michaels also won the WHC later on. But it isn't evident in the reference that they are related, like the paraphrased section says they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HidyHoTim (talk • contribs) 03:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I think I can clear up the US title discussion very easily. On page 62 and 63 of the May 2009 issue of WWE Magazine, they have an article on the Triple Crown Club. In it they explicitly state the terms of membership. They are and I quote "To qualify as a Triple Crown Champion, a WWE Superstar must win either the WWE Championship or World Heavyweight Championship, the Intercontinental Championship, and either the World or WWE Tag Team Championship." I would imagine that WWE Magazine as a source published by WWE is an acceptable source. This should also confirm these titles as part of the WWE Grand Slam since by necessity you must be a Triple Crown Champion in order to be a Grand Slam Champion. The article goes on to mention in a sidebar or the right hand side of the chart that the US title does not count for the Triple Crown (which obviously impacts its potential in the Grand Slam). But they also ask readers to email Magazine@wwe.com to tell them your opinion on whether the US Titles is Triple Crown material. So while the US Title is not currently a part of this accomplishment, it could become part of it if enough fans choose to email WWE at the above address and provide their opinions. hint, hint. By the way in case it was overlooked there was absolutely NO mention in this article of the ECW title, which is unfortunate. Because I agree with those who feel the ECW belt is getting shafted every week. TO that effect I was one of the fans who did email them and also asked for a similar article on the Grand Slam. Hopefully they will do so and that will pin down once and for all what is and is not acceptable. Additionally, here is the weblink to the article I mentioned on WWE.com to use as a source. I checked this link and noticed that it had been updated by WWE to include Rey Mysterio, whereas the printed article did not. However, the printed article mentioned Rey as needing only the IC belt which he then won at WM25. I point this out to show that this is a reference that can be checked on periodically to see if the WWE at some point does update the Triple Crown to have the US (and maybe one day the ECW) title to the to list. http://www.wwe.com/magazine/9660498/featureoftheweek20090423a/. Rick 11:21, 11 May 2009

Hardcore Championship

When was it decided this was eligible for a Grand Slam Championship? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.248.169 (talk) 19:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

It never was. I'm alerting someone to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linknumbers (talk • contribs) 03:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

There is a reliable source with-in the article that states it is apart of the Grand Slam. Unless you have a source that states it never was, never will be, or isn't anymore, then it is still apart of the Grand Slam and will stay with-in the article.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 03:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

WWE Triple Crown Status

On the requirements for a triple crown champion how come winning the U.S. Title does not qualify a wrestler? For example Matt Hardy won the ECW title and has won the U.S. title as well as three different tagteam titles. Is he a triple crown champion?63.88.161.101 (talk) 14:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

No. I suggest you read the archive on the Triple Crown Championship. The ECW title does not count, the US title does not count, the WCW tag titles do not count. This page and the Triple Crown page make clear what counts, those are the titles listed on the grid, WWE/WHC as primary, then IC as secondary then WWE Tag and World Tag as a team belt then the Euro for the Grand Slam. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

JR actually mentioned the Gram Slam in relation to Jeff Hardy during Unforgiven stating that if Hardy had won the scramble he would have become the seventh Grand Slam champion. So that clarifies what's already on the page. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Other Potential Champions

I added a listing for all of the other current WWE employees that are eligible to be a Grand Slam Champion based on their being a former European Champion. PJasnica 17 Sept 08 0323

We don't need to list potential potential champions. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

To clearify what a WWE Grand Slam Champion is...

People like to include wrestlers who are not Grand Slam Champions or do not have a chance to become Grand Slam Champions in this article. First thing to remember is a reign as the WWE European Champion is required, so those who are still missing it will not have a chance to be a Grand Slam Champion unless WWE activates the European Championship. Another thing to remember is that WWE has yet to recognize certain championships as Grand Slam titles. The most common non-Grand Slam titles that show up here are the ECW Championship and the WWE United States Championship. One more thing: deceased wrestlers are not potential Grand Slam champions. While wrestlers like Owen Hart and Davey Boy Smith were one championship short, I'm sorry to say that they will not ever win another championship. Before you edit, make sure you know what a WWE Grand Slam Champion and a potential champion really is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.184.131 (talk) 06:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Change the article title?

Should the article be titled "WWE Grand Slam Championship"? The only two Grand Slam Championships that have existed in professional wrestling are the WWE version and the WCW version, and the WCW version was never accomplished. Unless TNA or a prominant promotion in the future introduces a third-tier championship, the WWE version will be the only accomplished Grand Slam Championship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.184.131 (talk) 10:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I say leave it as is, because with the introduction of the Legends Championship, maybe an official TNA Grand Slam is possible. --Fahqall (talk) 01:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Matt hardy

As he needs only a world title (possibly ECW) to become a grandslam champion. shouldnt he be on the list of potential champions needing 1 title? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.101.217 (talk) 15:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

No, nor Mark Henry or anyone else that still needs to or more championship wins. Hardy has won the World Tag and European, still needs World and IC title reigns. Only someone who needs one more title should be listed. The section of more than one title should be removed because it isn't needed.WillC 15:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Removed Matt Hardy from the list, as it is for wrestlers who only have to win one more title to become a Grand Slam Champion. -FahQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fahqall (talk • contribs) 01:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Wrestlers not employed by the WWE

As Jeff Jarret and Christian Cage both only need a top tier championship should they be included as potential champions with a note saying that they do not work for the company at present or should it be left at only wrestlers currently employed by WWE? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.91.112 (talk) 20:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

No they should not be told because that is speculation that they will ever get the chance to become champions. Only people who need one title and currently work for WWE should be mentioned.--WillC 01:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Wrestlers who would need the European Championship

Should we add a section like that? Some wrestlers have WWE/WHC, IC and Tag, but not the European. Brady4mvp (Talk) 23:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

The European Title is dead and it is speculation that it will ever return. No point in the section.--WillC 23:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm saying that we should mention the wrestlers that WOULD need the European title to become Grand Slam Champions. Brady4mvp (Talk) 00:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

It still isn't needed. You saying they need the title is still speculation they will ever get the chance. It would be a useless section--WillC 01:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The list is Punk, Orton and Edge. 75.45.180.172 (talk) 10:24, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Punk can never be a Grand Slam Champion, the only acceptable third tier championships have since been retired from WWE, and since Punk cannot win the title, he cannot be a Grand Slam Champion. — Moe ε 00:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I know this. Just stating the wrestlers that would need the European title. I don't know why you mentioned just Punk, because Edge and Orton also could never be Grandslam champs. 75.45.195.125 (talk) 02:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Kane

I've just remembered an old article that was featured on WWF.com back in 2001 mentioning Kane as a Grand Slam Champion. Here is the headlines page that features the article's summary and here is a copy of the full article since sadly the full WWF.com article page doesn't seem to be in the Internet Archive. Although that being said, the article did mention Kane as "being the only Grand Slam Champion of his variety" so I'm not exactly sure if it's listworthy. -- Oakster  Talk  20:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

With the Intercontinental Championship currently in hand, Kane has become the only superstar in World Wrestling Federation history that has held that title as well as the Federation, Hardcore and Tag Team titles.

Interesting, since WWE is how we verify what they consider a Grand Slam and Triple Crown Championship to begin with, the Hardcore title seems worthy of inclusion as a second third tier championship. — Moe ε 00:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I have added the WWE Hardcore title to the list of titles for inclusion as it substituted the European Championship in the case of Kane. Since the World Heavyweight Championship and WWE Tag Team Championships were included on the same basis, I thought it was only accurate to do the same here. I tried researching the United States and ECW Championship for references for their inclusion, but I could still not find anything. In fact, I found a story on bleacherreport.com on JBL's Intercontinental Championship/Grand Slam Championship win and saw it say that he won the U.S. Championship but that it isn't part of the Grand Slam. — Moe ε 03:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

That is the WWF, it is different now. One mention isn't good enough in this case since multipe others have done the same as Kane and they never mentioned it ever again. Plus how is bleacherreport.com a reliable source? The difference with the World and WWE Tag titles is they are easily seen as equals. The Hardcore isnt even mentioned by WWE anymore.--WillC 03:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I haven't found anyone who has completed only under the Hardcore Championship other than Kane as of yet. WWE interviewed Kane and acknowledged the Hardcore Championship as a third tier title. WWF.com and WWE.com past and present are the same reference and its reliability does not diminish because of the time period of eight years. It would be more of original research to remove it now that there is a reliable reference for this. There is very little mention of the Grand Slam Championship at all on WWE.com, and WWE doesn't straight up define the WWE Tag Team Championship as part of the Grand Slam Championship either, but we include it here because Kurt Angle was described as a Grand Slam Champion based upon WWE.com. Wikipedia editors do not define what WWE considers part of the Grand Slam, WWE does. The point I was making with bleacherreport.com is that as opposed to finding something that supported the U.S. or ECW title being part of the Grand Slam, I found the opposite. Last, WWE does acknowledge the Hardcore Championship, it is listed under the former titles section on WWE.com. — Moe ε 03:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

But they don't speak of it. Angle, Hardy, etc all won the Hardcore title and when articles were released on Angle becoming a Grand Slam they didn't mention his Hardcore title win after he won it. Look at RVD. They didn't say anything there. I believe we should talk about this at WT:PW, considering no one really watchlists this page. Plus you've already mentioned it being 8 years and even though it might be OR to remove it now. 8 years is a long time and WWE likes to rewrite history any time they can. They might have changed the rules after a bit. The Hardcore title is no longer mention on WWE TV. Just as much as Beniot is no longer mentioned.--WillC 04:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

They speak of the European Championship just as little as the Hardcore Championship, so that point is irrelevant. I would like to see these 'articles' about Hardy and Angle, about how it talks about their Grand Slam accomplishment, because I have never seen it. There is no reference for Hardy's accomplishment on this article and the reference for Angle is more obscure than Kane's reference. About RVD, his WWE alumni reference doesn't say anything about the Grand Slam anymore, but says:

"Since signing with WWE in July 2001, Rob Van Dam has been equally impressive, racking up two World Tag Team Championships, a WWE Tag Team Championship, and six WWE Intercontinental Championships which saw RVD unify the Intercontinental Championship with the WWE Hardcore Championship and WWE European Championships before retiring both of those titles."

So WWE does acknowledge the Hardcore Championship as an accomplishment, FWIW. The point is, there is nothing to say that the Hardcore Championship isn't an accomplishment and there has been a reference provided stating that it is. Unless WWE actually does rewrite history and says that it is no longer a feat for the Grand Slam Championship, I don't see how we can exclude it on the grounds that the reference is old. Benoit is no longer mentioned on T.V. for the sake of not pouring salt in wounds and has no relevance here, but despite that, Benoit is still acknowledged in championship histories on WWE.com. — Moe ε 04:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Although, I just recently looked it up and Booker T completed the Grand Slam under the Kane definition. — Moe ε 04:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

This is just nonsense. We know the definition for grand slam champion and the hardcore title is not in it. Remove Kane and Booker, they don't belong on this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.50.88 (talk) 18:26, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

You have laid out your point of view so well, and yet you are so completely wrong. Booker and Kane stay, any further removal will be seen as vandalism. Darrenhusted (talk) 19:01, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

WWE recognized the Hardcore Championship as a championship in the Grand Slam on thier official website. So sorry, — Moe ε 22:39, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

So where's kurt angle on your new list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.50.88 (talk) 00:12, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

He held the European and IC titles at the same time, so he's been on this list for years. Darrenhusted (talk) 00:53, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Angle is on the list. He is currently listed as the fifth person. — Moe ε 07:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Not to drag up old discussion, but there is this quote from earlier in the thread which I also recalled:

"JR actually mentioned the Gram Slam in relation to Jeff Hardy during Unforgiven stating that if Hardy had won the scramble he would have become the seventh Grand Slam champion. So that clarifies what's already on the page. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)"

I know it's not our place to speculate whether JR or the web editor are more valid as sources for WWE policy, but JR's definition obviously doesn't include Kane and Booker T as Grand Slam Champions or Hardy would have been the potential 9th Grand Slam Champion, not the 7th. Are transcripts of WWE broadcasts available online? If not (or if this isn't strong enough evidence) it's worth bearing in mind that WWE's definition may have changed (or be variable.)BlakeNJudge (talk) 05:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

You can not speculate whether they might or might not have changed the definition. It stays unless you have something to say otherwise. — Moe ε 00:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Heads up

This page is for discussion to make the article better, but I'm going to use it to give people a heads up, that some may start adding a TNA Grand Slam on this page. A.J. Styles recently won the TNA Legends Championship, so some IPs believe he is the first Grand Slam champion, even though TNA have said nothing about this and they seem to love the Triple Crown, so they would love the Grand Slam just as much. Remove it on site, since it doesn't exist.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 22:32, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

TNA Grand Slam

is aj styles now not the first tna grand slam champion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.111.22 (talk) 23:35, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Quote from A.J. Styles: When he captured the TNA Legends Championship, he became the first, and only, man to have won the TNA Grand Slam.

Therefore he is a Grand Slam Champion! Timothy da Thy (talk) 08:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable source for other Wikipedia pages. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:13, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

The Legends Championship is not an official TNA Championship. TNA have made no mention of the Grand Slam. The following things are needed for the Grand Slam to be real.

1. A source from TNA of the Grand Slam's existence
2. A source of what makes the Grand Slam

Bring thoses, not fan made ideas.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 17:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

It was said on Spike that he was a Grand Slam champ.--70.73.43.100 (talk) 02:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

When? and where is your source?--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 02:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

He used the March 19th edition of iMPACT! it was announced officialy by Mike Tenay. It will soon be up on YouTube for viewing and proof. I say we add it.''''[[User:Klrobinson93|<font color="red">₭lrobinson</font>]][[User talk:Klrobinson93|<font color=red>93</font>]]''' (talk) 02:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

One mention doesn't mean it exist. That could be changed next week and never mentioned again. Plus Youtube isn't a reliable source.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 02:17, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Then watch the show Saturday morning because the words 'first TNA Grand Slam Champion' comes out of the mouth of Impact commentator Mike Tenay. Stop being such a dictator on what is or is not a reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Juniorlizard (talk • contribs) 05:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

When on Impact did Tenay say this line? I don't recall him saying it. I would also recommend waiting until TNA's site says something. TJ Spyke 23:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I watched TNA's re-play Saturday an Tenay spoke very clearly. It wasn't like a small note. Tenay seemed to worship AJ for this accomplishment. I don't think a article on TNA's site would tell more than Tenay did. He seemed to have a man crush on AJ.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 00:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Meh, OK. I'm sure i'm not the only one that thinks the Legends Title is nothing but a joke anyways (just like counting the Hardcore Title is). TJ Spyke 02:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I agree, the Legends Belt means a bit to me now that AJ has won it, but I still think they should have waited till they made another title for people who shouldn't win the X or world. Maybe like the TNA International Heavyweight Championship. That complete the Grand Slam. I have a feeling TNA are going to do something interesting. Tenay said he completed the Grand Slam by winning all of TNA's titles. They are probably going to have stages in TNA. That Aj is a Grand Slam champion on level one, then another title will be introduced and he'll be a Gold Champion or something along those lines.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 03:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

The Legends belt needs to be listed as a third tier belt because as it is now it appears as though all you need is the X division or Legends title beings their both listed as 2nd tier. WWE has Euro and Hardcore as third so Legends on TNA needs to be too for clarification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 01:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

TNA don't say if it is a thid teir or second. WWE have stated the European and hardcore are third teir. TNA seem to have the legends and x at the same level.--WillC 02:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Just like to have my input - it was acknowledged at Sacrifice too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.11.249 (talk) 13:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

No future reign possible?

I understand say, under Eddie Guerrero or the European championship, but why is this listed under Kurt Angle or Booker T? It's not like people have EVER left and come back before, so future reigns, are in fact possible, am I right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.41.82.26 (talk) 19:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Try reading to the bottom of the article, there is a key, with numbers. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Jeff Hardy's color behind his name

Why does Jeff Hardy's name go under the alternate title category? He won IC Title, Euro, Hardcore, World Tag Team, and WWE Title, none of those are Alternate Titles, and he won it with the WWE Championship, which is clearly not an alternate, so why is he under the Alternate color? If he belongs under the alternate category please explain to me why he should be there. Also, the description for that classification makes no sense, "Won the Grand Slam with an alternate title but has won all the titles under the original definition." Won with and alternate title but all titles won under original definition, isn't that rather redundant? --71.93.81.135 (talk) 22:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The Hardcore Championship is an alternate title. — Moe ε 00:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

If Jeff Hardy has an alternate definition, then so do JBL, Angle, and Jericho, as the all held the Hardcore Title. VWG (talk) 02:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

No. JBL, Angle and Jericho all won the grand slam by winning the European Championship first. Their hardcore championship reign had no relevance to their status, as they could have completed the grand slam without a Hardcore Championship reign. — Moe ε 02:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Well Hardy, Angle, Booker T, Eddie Guerrero, and Kane all won alternative titles to complete the Grand Slam. Hardy won the Hardcore title before the European title. Angle won the WWE Tag instead of the World Tag. Booker won the hardcore belt instead of the Euro. Eddie won the WWE Tag and not the World Tag. Kane won the hardcore title and no European. They should all have the alternative colors.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 02:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

They do have the alternative color. Green means alternative. Orange also means alternative with the exception that they also won all titles as the original definition. — Moe ε 15:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I know I'm just stating that, you said that Angle did not win an alternative title to complete the grand slam.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 20:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, if you mean my edit summary, I know. I made that mistake and made another edit correcting myself. — Moe ε 22:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

TNA Legends Title a Second Tier Championship?

If the The TNA Legends Championship is a Second-Tier Title should it then not be an alternative to the X-Division Championship for the Triple Crown Championship? A grandslam winner must win a World, Tag, Second-Tier and a Third-Tier title to be a grandslam winner. Should the Legend's title then not be a Third-Tier Championship? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.197.126 (talk) 10:27, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The difference between a second and third tier championship is if they are considered interchangeable for the Triple Crown and Grand Slam Championships. The WWE Intercontinental Championship is used for the second tier for the Triple Crown. Triple Crown Champions do not happen if they won the World, Tag Team and, one of the two, European or Hardcore Championships, that is why the European and Hardcore Championships are third tier. Likewise in TNA, the World, Tag and X-Division complete the Triple Crown requirements, and not the World, Tag Team and Legends Championship. If Triple Crown status is given to someone who won just the World, Tag Team and Legends titles, then the Legends title is second tier. But until that is clarified or given, the Legends Championship is third tier because it is only used as a Grand Slam qualification. — Moe ε 06:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The Legends Championship is not considering a third-teir by TNA. It is more so a second-teir as TNA are billing it as the secondary belt to the heavyweight. It is above the X Title to them. Seeing as there is a problem, both the X and the Legends are second-teir.--WillC 15:19, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Like I said, by all means, the Legends title should probably be above the X-Division title, but there has not been a Triple Crown Champion crowned where they won the Legends title as a replacement to the X-Division title (much like the United States Championship probably should be equivalent to the Intercontinental title). It's just that, it would be original research to say the Legends and X-Division titles are interchangeable, at this time. — Moe ε 13:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Edge

edge was the first person to win all the championships and he is a grand slam champions but his name is not here WHY? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.192.131 (talk) 15:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

He never won the European or Hardcore titles, so he has no reign in the third tier. His co-HC champion reign with Foley is unofficial, and thus doesn't count. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 15:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a problem here. His reign was acknowledged by WWE, which would make it official. He was announced as the Hardcore champion as well. So really we could say he is a Grand Slam Champion.--WillC 16:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Was it? In case, it should be added in with a source. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 17:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

According to this that Foley/Edge co-reign was not official. The ONS 06 results page didn't even acknowledge them as champions. [2] All seems to indicate that the temporary revival of the title was unsanctioned. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 18:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

ECW Championship

being a world championship certain superstars ,only Christian comes to mind, should be considered Grand Slam Champions if not only having another second tier title added to to their resume' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freshman5000 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

WWE have not released any info with it being apart of it. Just wanting it to be doesn't make it apart of it.--WillC 21:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

What about Rey Mysterio?

It was once mentioned on Smackdown that Rey had won the Brand Grand Slam (at the time) with his wins of the World Heavyweight Championship, the United States Championship, the WWE Tag Team Championships, and the WWE Cruiserweight Championship. Should he get some sort of special mention on this page?