Talk:St. Louis crime family

Fake

Yet another article on organized crime in St. Louis that is fake and made up. There are a few names of former St. Louis gangsters that are real, the rest is made up. I have no idea who is writing these false articles on St. Louis organized crime figures but this person needs to grow up. All the information in this article is either inaccurate or fake. Lock & Key (talk) 21:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Again, This Is Fake

I guess no one cares that this article is fake. It's all made up. I can't believe a completely fake article could stay up on any credible website for this long. Yes, the names are of real gangsters but all the information herein is completely fictitious. The sources listed do not contain information that is in this article because the author of this article made it all up.

Someone made up a fake article on real people, who are all mostly dead now by the way, and then added a list of sources that do not contain anything the information in this article. (By the way, to the person who made up this fake article, Jimmy Giammanco died in 1985, not 1992! He died in St. Louis, not Detroit! And he is buried in Calvary Cemetery in St. Louis, not Detroit!)

There are about a half-dozen articles on deceased St. Louis Mafia figures that consists of all made up information about that particular individual.

I am almost certain that I know who made up this article and the others I just mentioned. This is the same person who made up a fake chart on the St. Louis Family, including some real names and some names he made up, and passed it on as an accurate chart on the current St. Louis Mafia, which, by the way, doesn't even exist anymore!

If this is who I think this is and you are reading this, grow up! You are a joke on the other site. Everybody over there who has researched St. Louis know you are a B.S. artist about what you claim to know on the St. Louis Mafia (from inside information--yeah, right!). That's why you hardly ever post there anymore because you have read on there what some have pointed out about your charts and you are afraid of being directly called out on it. I'll do it right here: You are a fraud! Lock & Key (talk) 03:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello, would love to start some commentary on the subject

I have seen a site that had a mafia chart of the St. Louis family, and am not sure if it is all accurate. The thing is, I have looked up a lot of the people on various sites, and have found information on these people. Some of these individuals have several addresses that are fake, i.e. nothing is there, as if they made them up themselves for the deceit of law enforcement. Also, some of these individuals have a lot of action on court websites, i.e. long rap sheets. I want to know who this individual is that is posting these things, do you live around or eat at in "The Hill" in St. Louis? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.193.254 (talk) 04:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

• My suggestion is for you to basically ignore any charts you see online on the St. Louis Mafia. As I pointed out above, there's a guy who made up a fake chart, some with real names (both dead and still living) and some names he made up, and that has appeared on a lot of Internet sites. Truthfully, I don't know for sure if there is a St. Louis Mafia anymore, but I would be surprised -- VERY SURPRISED -- to find out there still was one. I do not think it exists anymore. Sure, there's some former members still living in the St. Louis area, but that means nothing. That does not mean there is still a "St. Louis Family." Most of the stuff you read online about the St. Louis Mafia, even historical articles, are generally inaccurate. I am into researching the history of the Mafia in St. Louis. That's where there's stuff you can find on the St. Louis Mafia, not in the present. Anyhow, good luck on your own research. (By the way, court documents, mostly only appeals of convictions are archived online, do not contain rap sheets, i.e., arrest records.) Lock & Key (talk) 05:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

• Thank you for the response sir. Well there was really a St. Louis Family. I was talking to an old mafia detective who used to travel to other cities from St. Louis to Chicago and I think KC and New York to establish linkages with the family. This detective was in some sort of a gunfight. He told me the area was so bad where some of the rackets where, that they had to use unconventional, and I think illegal methods of law enforcement to take care of problems. This guy said something like they blew up a car of a drug dealer, and that all of them carry big guns. This was mainly with the blacks though I believe. He said they arrested the Italian Don there that was heading the St. Louis group back in the day, and that he is dead. He said they used to follow him all over the place and go up to his house in the middle of St. Louis. He said they used to survey all the mob people. I also talked with this old school kind of dirty guy, and he said there really was Italian mob here back in the 70s when he was growing up, and some guy died in some bomb or something. I would be really surprised if you find anything about the St. Louis family, I think law enforcement is going to know the most and have documents about it. There might be some cosa nostra here, but it doesn't appear to be much more then a glorified crew if anything, and to them it is just business, its not like they would be in the heart of the Philly Mob, or one of the New York families that take the cosa nostra really seriously. If anything, I would think St. Louis answers to KC, that might be a way to start, also look at Chicago. I could ask around though when I have time, I know people that live more in the city part, and they have to deal with the gangs and shootings around. So if anything they would know if there are kick ups made to Italian people, but I seriously doubt it. If anything union work, construction, and night clubs might be something they would be into, but I don't think it is cosa nostra, or like I said if anything a glorified small crew that is made in another family just surveying the day to day operations.