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Deletion of segment "land action" on "Bay of Pigs Invasion" page

John, one could not help but note that you erase the whole "land action" section in the Bay of Pigs Invasion page. Since you offered no explanation, one wonders if you knew that Carlos Franqui is a newspaper reporter and author of several books on these and related matters. At the time of the Bay of Pigs Invasion he was an inconditional of Castro (he later defected), and a first hand witness of these events. Could you be so kind as to offer a rational for your actions in this regard. The section you deleted was:

"The land action was very bloody. Carlos Franqui writes: “We lost a lot of men. This frontal attack of men against machines (the enemy tanks) had nothing to do with guerrilla war; in fact it was a Russian tactic, probably the idea of the two Soviet generals, both of Spanish origin (they fought for the Republic in the Spanish Civil War and fled to the Soviet Union to later fight in World War II. One of them was a veteran, a fox named Ciutah. He (Ciutah) was sent by the Red Army and the Party as an advisor and was the father of the new Cuban army. He was the only person who could have taken charge of the Girón campaign. The other Hispano-Russian general was an expert in antiguerrilla war who ran the Escambray cleanup. But the real factor in our favor at Girón was the militias: Almejeira’s column embarked on a suicide mission, they were massacred but they reached the beach.”"

El Jigue208.65.188.149 18:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

When someone talks about an unknown "fox" general of hispanic/russian origin who was in the red army, I tend to be skeptical. and it seems to be slanted to the Cuban side. JohnHistory 22:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)JohnHistory

How are you?

Hi John, just a quick note to see how your getting along? Had any problems on wikipedia? Do you need any help? Let me know. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

why thanks!

You do like the new name better, I knew it. —AldeBaer 16:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Herb Parsons

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I AGREE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.227.139 (talk) 01:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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Edit summary

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to Bob Marley. Please see Help:Edit summary, thanks ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 19:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

October 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions, including your edits to Bill Ayers. However, please be aware of Wikipedia's policy that biographical information about living persons must not be libelous. Any controversial statements about a living person added to an article, or any other Wikipedia page, must include proper sources. Thank you. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 00:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: Talk:Bill Ayers. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 00:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

no one has been attacked - please stop with your false red hearings - they are silly and do you no good. Please stand up for your points and you won't need to whine so much. thank you. JohnHistory (talk) 00:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)JohnHistory

March 2009

Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Talk:Barack Obama. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. Scjessey (talk) 21:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Please stop ranting about other editors on the Obama talk page.[1][2][3] Please review WP:TALK, WP:CIVIL, WP:SOAP, WP:NPA, and some of the other policies, guidelines, and essays about proper use of Wikipedia article talk pages. The talk page is not the place to complain about other editors, or what is wrong with Wikipedia. Further, you should know that the Obama-related articles are under article probation - I am attaching a routine notice below. Wikidemon (talk) 21:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia! In case you are not already aware, an article to which you have recently contributed, Talk:Barack Obama, is on article probation. A detailed description of the terms of article probation may be found at Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. Also note that the terms of some article probations extend to related articles and their associated talk pages.

The above is a templated message. Please accept it as a routine friendly notice, not as a claim that there is any problem with your edits. Thank you. -- Wikidemon (talk) 21:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for disruptive editing at Talk:Barack Obama. You are welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below. Tiptoety ^talk 21:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thin ice

You were blocked because you were being disruptive at the Obama article. Returning to the same kind of behaviour right off your block is less than optimal behaviour. Guettarda (talk) 05:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

You obviously are the one violating the rules. I am being perfectly within the bounds and if you can't take truth to power then I suggest you get out of the way. JohnHistory (talk) 05:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Seriously - my last comment wasn't meant as a joke. The Obama talk page isn't the place for appealing your block. Reposting it over and over in the wrong place just makes things worse. Guettarda (talk) 05:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

See the page's history. Guettarda (talk) 05:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Since you will not listen to us...

...the matter has been brought to WP:ANI, here. Make your case there. Tarc (talk) 05:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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My comments are often deleted for no reason. hence copy pasting and lack of signature though containing name. JohnHistory (talk) 05:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)johnHistory

Talkback

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You have been blocked from editing for a period of one fortnight in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for making a personal attack against another user after release of recent block in this edit. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below. Toddst1 (talk) 05:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

A blunt caution

Let me be blunt here. Not only are you barking up the wrong tree asking User:Tvoz for help fighting your supposed "abuse",[4] but you are barking somethig that is not a tree (Tvoz is not an administrator) on a website that is not about barking at trees. As an inexperienced editor on Wikipedia - and probably wider, as a person using a collaborative website - you should pay some serious attention when most everyone you encounter tells you are doing it the wrong way, and blocks you when you continue. You were just released from a two-week block for causing trouble, and your first substantive post is a ridiculous request[5] to "stop the Obama Admin from literally running" the Obama page. You are not going to get any sympathy complaining that you have been abused, that you want the people who dealt with you to be punished, and that it's all unfair. Quite the opposite, this is going to turn everyone off and they will not want to deal with you at all. Based on edits like this one[6] where you ask a bot for a referral to an "honest high level moderator" it is hard to escape the conclusion that you have no idea what you are doing. If you want things to get better slow down, stop complaining, and try to learn how things work. There are some patient people around here but you have to be willing to listen, or else it is pointless. - Wikidemon (talk) 21:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

First of all, I have a right to request an honest higher up moderator (in other words one who is known for not having an agenda) because I have been abused by the very people you say I should submit to. Why would I do that? There are a lot of people on here who have agendas in their use of censoring and blocking. that is a fact and just because there are many of them does not mean that they are correct to do this. By the way, my "ridiculous" post recently (BTW, I have been banned for doing less then using a word as provocative as ridiculous) is not at all. You in fact missed the point of the two or so sentence comment. I was saying why do all of the photos with him posing with a fellow politician exclusively include Republicans. that is a very reasonable thing to point out. Also, if you think it is ridiculous that the Obama Admin would not be active on that page then I suggest kindly that you think again. It would in fact be ridiculous to think otherwise given that it is the first non - Obama Admin page one get when they look up his name and it is the most visited page on Wikipedia and the Obama admin is well known for heavy use of the internet. If I don't seem like an expert here its because I'm not - hence me asking for HELP in doing the right thing. I don't want an opinion poll I want people to look at what happened to me and see the abuse. Under your logic, I should just shut up and let myself be abused even to the excessive point of blocking me from writing on my own talk page.

P.S. you clearly are an expert so I can't help wonder why you didn't sigh your post? JohnHistory (talk) 20:26, 29 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Now that you have signed your post Wikidemon I am not surprised that you would say i was blocked for "causing trouble" What trouble did I cause? especially on my own talk page which resulted in my final block??? I love that. "causing trouble" hmmm you mean bringing up points of contention? I guess that is trouble for some. Seriously though, you are proving my point to some degree. I think I used the word "juvenile" but that was about it. Is "juvenile" "ridiculous" ???? I have no intention of even giving the excuse to block me now because I know that the language police (who primarily target people they don't agree with) constantly demean others in their responses and yet suffer no consequences. Good Ole boys network perhaps? I tried to explain how the terms are used to control and abuse the tools even on the talk page but of course I was blocked for doing that too. I guess it was not relevant to the discussion page to point out, in detail, the pitfalls in it and the systemic problems that were occuring. Blocked again for that. I couldn't illustrate the problems better then what has happened to me. JohnHistory (talk) 20:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

BTW, if you truly had any intention of helping me you would have given me the name of an Administrator. JohnHistory (talk) 20:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Just pick one here [7], although I doubt it will serve you well.--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 20:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

←John, Wikidemon is right that I'm not a tree or an admin - and I don't want to get involved in this - but since you wrote to me I will give some honest advice that I think is in your best interests and that of the project overall: it appears you were blocked at least in part because of the nature of your response to earlier blocks, and the way you addressed other editors, and your continuing to argue points after it was productive, so pursuing this may not be your best strategy for success. I truly recommend you try a lower profile and get back to actual editing - maybe on less stress-inducing, controversial topics than Barack Obama - and put this behind you. Listen to what other editors say, especially more experienced ones, about how to work here with less aggravation all around. It's a big encyclopedia, and there are much more constructive ways for you to spend your time than by fighting. Good luck. Tvoz/talk 21:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

That is my goal but I want someone to at least look at my last block which prevented me from contesting the block and writing on my talk page. Please tell me how that was justified and if not please tell what to do to help at least put one or more of these guys on the radar in the future so mabye someone else won't be abused as easily. I would be doing a great disservice if I simply let that fly. I know the deck is stacked against me, that is why I just want someone to say "that was wrong". "we talked to him". "we let him know" . that is all. Abuses of wikipedia should not be so unimportant. what could be more important? JohnHistory (talk) 21:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

I'm not an admin, but I am an experieinced editor. Looking at your history, you were blocked for disruptive edits, came back with a personal attack less than 24 hours later, and were reblocked. Then you used your talk page as a soapbox for your opinions on wikipedia, which also included more personal attacks in your manifesto. Sorry, but I really don't see that any grave injustice was done to you. A big part of wikipedia is learning to get along with others, and for that stretch of time it didn't seem to be high on your list. Now that you're unblocked, hopefully you can put your block behind you and be a productive editor. Good luck! Dayewalker (talk) 21:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Under your definition I can't tell people about who or what is happening to me? I did not personally attack anyone in my "manifesto" and like I said someone who was being really uptight with me I called juvenile and that was the "personal attack". Listen, I get the language police thing, even though I have been called practically every name in the book yet I have never tried to block people for saying, as wikidemon just did, that I "am ridiculous (which is tame compared to other comments) That comment, would have got me blocked if I had said it to wikidemon. But, I get that now and I understand they are waiting for me to react so that they can block me for calling their actions "juvenile" or what have you. However, I was not using my talk page to attack people I was explaining my situation and i was blocked not for personal attacks but for a "rant". Also, look at my current photo agenda discussion section at Obama. that was just closed off and labeled a rant. I can't very well move on when it is still occurring. JohnHistory (talk) 21:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Re: rant

You brought up an obscure point that made no sense, you then took comments as to the point you were raising personally, and then you accuse me of collusion. I'm not sure how to respond other than to say I can't really see why the point you bring up is relevant or why you were so forceful about. Soxwon (talk) 23:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

First of all, you called my comments "stupid'. You should know better then that! Number two, if all of the photos show him with Rep senators that is noteworthy to discuss and it makes sense to question that choice. You say I am "forceful" but if I don't persist then you just delete my comments and call me stupid. If i wasn't a little persistent I wouldn't waste my time because you would just delete it and make sure wikipedians could not discuss what I found and what is strange. I don't understand why you can get away with calling people stupid and closing discussions that are relevant. It is weird that he is only pictured with Republican senators. you think that is totally normal. It isn't! JohnHistory (talk) 23:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

It doesn't matter, I'm not responding anymore, I'm moving on and so should you. I will just revert any and all future messages on the subject so plz just drop it. Soxwon (talk) 23:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

If you can find a free image like you are asking about, feel free to upload it. Until then, please stop attacking and insulting other editors. It's not their fault that such images are not available. Grsz¹¹ 00:36, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Can you please show where I attacked and insulted an editor today? I have gone out of my way not to even when called mean names and having my discussions deleted. I really resent that you would accuse me of that when I have gone so far to not personally insult anyone. JohnHistory (talk) 00:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

You accused editors of bias and having an agenda when they have no bearing on what images are available to use on Wikipedia. Please don't flat out lie to me when you know exactly what you said. Grsz¹¹ 00:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me sir, did you read what you referenced? I never accused any person of bias, I said the photos are baised (biased towards showing Obama with Republicans) That is in no way shape or form a personal insult sir! I don't know how you could make such an error? JohnHistory (talk) 00:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Who do you think edits the article? If you claim the article is biased, you are accusing those who edit it of bias. Grsz¹¹ 00:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

In fact, you calling me a "liar" is a personal insult and I'm getting quite amazed at this process. Please do not call me a "liar". Saying the photos have a bias is not a personal insult to an editor. I never blamed any person for putting them there in fact so I don't know why you are accusing me of this and even your cited passage showed no personal insulting. Please sir, do not call me a liar and in fact if there is lying going on right now it's not me as I have proven. JohnHistory (talk) 00:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

I'm fairly certain you aren't understanding what I am saying or the processes here. You claim the images are biased. Why? How? Why bring it up? If it has nothing to do with the editors, how can they solve the problem? You claiming that anything on Wikipedia, text, images, etc., is the same as directly saying "You are biased." Editors write the articles and post the images. If you say one is biased, then you are implying that you mean the other as well. Grsz¹¹ 01:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Let me get this straight you are accusing me of PERSONALLY insulting the....ARTICLE???? That takes the cake! I guess in your view one simply cannot criticize anything. interesting. JohnHistory (talk) 01:01, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Are you reading what I'm saying! I'm saying, you are accusing the editors of bias and agendas, which is an attack. The images available for use on the article are not up to them, and you are fighting with them over nothing, so drop it. Grsz¹¹ 01:04, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Listen, the photos present a biased image. I don't know who uploaded them (or how many people did) and I don't even care. The reason I brought it up was to make it more accurate and less strangely (100% Rep Senators) absent of Democrats. that was all. To say me pointing this out is "attacking and personally insulting" Editors is just not reasonable. BTW, don't create these fake charges and call me a liar and then say "drop it'. How about just don't start it next time guy. JohnHistory (talk) 01:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Then next time, if that really was your intention, rather than coming in guns blazing with accusations that the article is written by Obama people, say simply "I think the article should have images of Obama with Democrats." Grsz¹¹ 01:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I am curious. Have you gone and accused the two guys who did personally insult me in the section you came at me over? because those guys really did personally insult and attack. So if you came after little old me for nothing, God I hope you did something with them too. Otherwise, Height of Hypocrisy. JohnHistory (talk) 01:11, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

I haven't. They know better, and if an admin sees fit to deal with it, they will. Believe it or not, I came here in attempt to help you better express what it was you wanted to see in the article. Grsz¹¹ 01:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, my "guns blazing" was just me saying that we have to be mindful that politicians (especially internet savvy Obama Admin) have a vested interest in these articles. Do you deny that? What is even controversial about that? JohnHistory (talk) 01:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Accusing well-meaning editors of working for Obama is one of the worst insults you can give on Wikipedia. Grsz¹¹ 01:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Here you go again. I never accused any specific person of working for Obama. I simply pointed out that the chances of no interference from them would be unlikely. Do you believe that no one connected with the Obama Admin has ever edited (or monitored) the article? Doesn't that seem hard to believe given the article prominence. Either way, I was simply pointing out that we must be aware of that at least possibility. I guess you would counter that we shouldn't be aware of it, and it has never and will never occur. I disagree with sir. But again, I never accused anyone of working for the Obama Admin and you really need to stop making my general comment somehow user specific and insulting. I'm just trying to warn everybody because it seems that some people think this idea is absurd. I think thinking this idea is absurd, is absurd. JohnHistory (talk) 01:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

If you truly wanted to help (How can they know better if no one tells them they messed up?) then you will now be my ally in the civil fight for what's right. We shall give no scally wags quarter. The truth is our bible and we are devoted adherents! JohnHistory (talk) 01:34, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

But I must warn you son. They are many and we are but few. Though they possess the numbers we possess and unshakeable reality. The reality of our convictions as men who seek The Balance. JohnHistory (talk) 01:36, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Before you get too far into that, you should probably read WP:TRUTH. Dayewalker (talk) 01:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Those on the Right fall by it's extreme -Those on the Left likewise fall into their own abyss. In the Middle we seek The Balance. Sometimes The Balance may present itself as Right in the face of the Left. However, it will also present itself as the Left in the face of the Right. Like the little dots on a yin yang the center seeks The Balance. To Balance something, the Left and the Right must lose for they cannot survive the Middle. JohnHistory (talk) 01:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Yeah, WP:TRUTH is your best bet. Good luck with all that. Dayewalker (talk) 01:50, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

My truth is The Balance. Luck is absent from the equation. I seek an honest state of mind not a deniable truth. JohnHistory (talk) 01:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Circle the wagons - The Giant Buddha is coming! JohnHistory (talk) 02:17, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

Your note

Regarding this note, I have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't blocked you in the past. If you believe that other editors have been uncivil to you, why not try WP:WQA. Guettarda (talk) 01:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

question

I am having some troubles with user Dayewalker. I have asked several questions concerning william Monahan's entry and he erased my comments every time. This has happened about a dozen times. How can I stop him from bugging me? ( 82.195.149.119 (talk) 06:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC) )

As is probably evident here I myself am trying to deal with the giant Wiki bureaucratic nightmare world. I think it is best to view wikipedia and your interactions with it as that of basically an anthropological study as opposed to anything else. That is not to say that you can not change things. Hell, I changed The Red Baron from a Jew into a Protestant. I'll get back to this later when I am in a more "lucid" mindset. JohnHistory (talk) 07:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

This is the way things are done? Its amazing me. ( 82.195.149.119 (talk) 07:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC) )

BTW, you wouldn't believe the war I had to fight to change the afore mentioned Baron from being Jewish. It was just one of those things. You read it and right there in the intro it says the Manfred is Jewish and I thought, wait a second I saw an entire documentary and I read his book and I never read or heard that. But it's right there in your face. So I looked at the sources. I ended up actually buying the main source, there was one other one but it was even more esoteric in quotation, turns out not only was the page number wrong (it didn't in fact even exist) but absolutely no evidence was put forth. I am a little foggy now it would be back in the archives, but anyway it went on forever. I ended up getting several people who seemed bent on just thwarting my basic attempt to just rectify it. Wikipedia is personal. A lot of these guys probably all think a like. Anyway, eventually cooler heads prevailed and it was taken out of the article. The funny thing was that there ended up even being a big debate, as I just remembered, over the me quoting the first sentence of the book which stated "This book is a book of propaganda" as to whether that didn't matter or not. The point is, if you are persistent and honest then you may succeed but some of these people are basically full time wiki power trippers (to put it nicely) and if you want to have a life you can't really compete at such a low level. Wikipedia desperately needs better Administration and stricter enforcement of the Jimbo guidelines which are fair and balanced. Learn the Jimbo Guidelines and even though they are often thrown in the trash, especially where strong group-think persists, they will be your best ammunition against the wiki lords and some of the zombies to use the vernacular of our times. Of course finding allies of The Balance, however few, is also a good strategy. I'm sure the Obama Administration could help you with how to dominate an article but again it would be difficult to get their input, yet alone match their output. Time and numbers. Lack of life(lack of perspective) and group think. Motivation = Money / Allegiance / Zombie Basically, the best thing is to do something because even when, and in fact especially when they censor you and they abuse their tools and they attack you personally or whatever the abuse if you point out these problems people start to realize that the article is not honest. When that happens, when enough people get it, then the article is defeated at its corps. Wikipedia doesn't give out medals to people like us. But they do give out medals. Wikipedia is being defeated everyday and they don't even know it because they live in a wiki cave zone. More and more people are realizing the inherent problems, and again that is why this is an anthropological experience, in Wikipedia. These people like Dayewalker as you pointed out are actually a cancer within wikipedia. We aren't going to lose. Only wikipedia can lose. People can be cowed with bad info but wikipedia is being cowed with a bad name and that soon will override it's ability to cow people (in isolated Wiki group think zones) It is sad because I have been here for many years and I know first hand that wiki is worse then ever. People are even more entrenched and biased group think mindset coordination is the law of the day. JohnHistory (talk) 07:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

"Be the Giant Buddha on the Page and in the light of your honest transparency their idiosyncratic falsehoods will be illuminated." -Me JohnHistory (talk) 08:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory

John, please be aware that this user who you are communicating with is a banned user, please check the ANI thread concerning him, found on a link on this IP sock's talk page. Banned users are not allowed to edit, per WP:BAN.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 08:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Van Jones

Hi there. Listen, we've got a real problem with "the lorax". I can't even think of adding anything more just yet. Help me keep this commie vandal under control and we may get somewhere. Anything verifiable that's not a blog, should be valid for inclusion.  ;-) ObserverNY (talk) 20:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY