Talk:W.A.S.P. (band)

WASP etymology

I was wondering if it was worth mentioning the source for the name - clearly a play on White Anglo Saxon Protestant and I was of the understanding the band changed the meaning of the acronym to mean We Are 'Sexual Perverts. However, I could be wrong. (Emperor 21:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC))

GENRE,are you people sure that w.a.s.p. is heavy metal? i would consider wasp glam metal Lawless is supposed to have replied to a question about what it's an acronym for: -"We Ain't Sure, Pal" --Odd M. Nilsen 09:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Emperor, I think you're close. One of the problems I have with the article is the line where whoever wrote it says "It could be ironic, seeing as songs like 'Animal (Fuck Like A Beast)' hardly fit into the usual picture of White Anglo-Saxon Protestantism." If the dude who wrote that bothered to flip the ANIMAL ep over and listen to the B-side, he would discover a song called SHOW NO MERCY where right in the chorus the lyrics are "White Anglo Saxon, the Violent Reaction" (how come NO ONE EVER mentions this? That track is NOT hard to find). Further, I can't cite this cuz I don't have it anymore and thus this some nasty-ass speculation on my part but Lawless said right in a blurb in a Hit Parader or Creem or something (I think it was a page that had one-liners or small quotes from rock stars) that his 3 main influences were "Jack Daniels, Harley Davidson, and the Klan [i.e., W.A.S.P.'s]" (My personal opinion is they were trying to shock their way to the top by trying to come across as bad-asses). Then you've got that guy from Metallica (Ron McGovney?) giving his version where HE gives W.A.S.P. their name, but I don't buy that either because of the SHOW NO MERCY song once again! I always thought the "We Are Sexual Perverts" thing was a super lame attempt to de-fuse the bomb explosion they could see clearly see coming when they signed to a major label. Lame or not, it seems to have worked, and still to this day know-it-all's will still reveal the kidney stone of wisdom to you that it means "We Are Sexual Perverts". I think when they were on Music-For-Nations, no one was paying attention to metal at all because it hadn't really exploded into mania yet. When it did, the first W.A.S.P. album was on it's way to being released and I think they had to do something about this issue.Hanz ofbyotch (talk) 21:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Seems to me W.A.S.P. is an abbreviation, not an acronym, though a lot would come down to whether there are periods between the letters and how the letters are actually pronounced (i.e., do people say "W-A-S-P" or "Wasp"?). See the discussion here: link title C d h (talk) 14:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I heard it means We Are Sexual Predators. (83.171.169.245 (talk) 16:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC))

Controversy section might be warranted

I assume few if any rock bands have done the type of things W.A.S.P. are described here to have done. (I mean, Ozzy Osbourne is "legendary", at least in my impression, for allegedly "merely" having bitten the head off a bat or whatever it was on stage.) The appalling acts are propably noteworthy enough to deserve special attention in the article. 62.16.241.235 18:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

New Template

In case anyone's interested, I've put together a W.A.S.P. template and added it to all the people and album pages. --Midx1004 15:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Redirect??

Anyone know why the page for Mike Duda redirects back here..? And how does one remove it?? --Midx1004 15:44, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was No move Duja► 09:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

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W.A.S.P. (band) → W.A.S.P. — Is there another W.A.S.P. I don't know about to make this ambiguous? I can't see someone searching for W.A.S.P. looking for Wasp. —Halo 14:49, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Oppose. There are several acronyms of WASP listed on the dab page, so I think in this case it is useful to disambiguate the article title. PC78 17:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose, particularly per the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant usage. Dekimasuよ! 14:02, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. When I hear the acronym "W.A.S.P," I think of "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant," as noted above by Dekimasu. I thus think that the disambiguation in the current title is necessary for people who aren't familiar with the fact that W.A.S.P. is also a band. -Severa (!!!) 10:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose There too many such acronyms for it not being a disambiguation page.--Victor falk 19:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. "Protestant" has much more usage than a band that enjoyed moderate success in the 1980s. I wouldn't mind seeing the acronyms broken out to their own DAB page, though, since I feel that they can be hard to find when crowded out by the other entries. --Groggy Dice T | C 12:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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What's the problem in adding more genres?

It seems that everytime someone puts another genre related to W.A.S.P., it's instantly deleted and turns back to only Heavy Metal. C'mon, calling W.A.S.P. exclusively Heavy Metal is limiting the conception of their music and images! For instance, until Inside the Eletric Circus, W.A.S.P. was almost completely Hard Rock; their Heavier material came later.

It think the band fits perfectly in the Hard Rock and Shock Rock gentes. Still, I'm asking you because I won't change it if most people disagree with me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.37.205.178 (talk) 22:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

If you sheck out The KISS Article thay only call it Hard Rock, Heavy Metal

Objectivity

I understand that everybody editing this page will be big W.A.S.P. fans (hell, I'm one as well) but we should still stay objective. You can't write that The Crimon Idol was

voted by many of W.A.S.P. die-hard fans as the best material this great band have ever produced.

That belongs to fan-sites, and to the casual reader doesn't give a damn about what die-hard fans think. I hope you don't mind if I apply a few changes but felt I should leave a notice first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorwath (talk • contribs) 17:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone should remove the following two lines as they are not encyclopedic and wiki is not a message board for the band. StereoDevil (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

"W.A.S.P. would like to apologize to the fans and promoters for any inconvenience caused by this fact."

"More information can be found on their myspace page www.myspace.com/wasp"

Movie

W.A.S.P. played themselves for a segment in a low budget movie in the 1980s. I can't remember the movie title, but the concept was that a computer genius hacker gets brought into a magical world and is challenged by an evil wizard type to get through a trap-filled magical labyrinth.

The love interest gets teleported by the evil wizard to a heavy metal concert. W.A.S.P. is the name on the stage, and Lawless is lewdly performing while she is tied up to a rack. He is wearing gauntlets, each with with half of a rotary saw blades. Anyone remember seeing this? Anyone know the name?

I believe the movie was called Ragewar... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.22.10.42 (talk) 20:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The movie that you are wondering about is called "The Dungeonmaster". Originally called Ragewar: The Challenges of Excalibrate and Digital Knights respectively. It was released in 1983 and in 1985, starring Jeffrey Byron, Richard Moll and Leslie Wing. At the time of filming, band members included: Blackie Lawless, Chris Holmes, Randy Piper and Tony Richards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.52.145 (talk) 02:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Glam metal

I'm perfectltly aware of the fact W.A.S.P. weren't a typical glam metal band (they were probably the heaviest and the darkest band on the scene), but W.A.S.P. ARE mentioned in the article on glam metal, and are often associated (if not labeled as glam metal - http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best_metal-hair-art.html) with the glam metal scene. I didn't want to add Category:Glam metal musical groups without other opinions. Ostalocutanje (talk) 22:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I found source for Hard rock and Glam metal.Solino_{the Wolf} 15:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

You found links that fail wp:rs. The Real Libs-speak politely 15:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Allmusic and Musicmight both do passWP:RS.Solino_{the Wolf} 22:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Libs is correct. Musicmight does not pass as a reliable reference on Wikipedia for any content. Allmusic has been rejected as a reliable source for genres following discussion at the reliable source noticeboard. GripTheHusk (talk) 22:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok!so I remove all the genres sourced by allmusic and musicmight right now and in a second half of the articles wouldt have any genres in their infoboxes! I wont continue as I hate to be baited?! and I suggest you add a source for heavy metal in the infobox.Solino_{the Wolf} 22:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Just to note. References do not go in the Template:Musical artist. Referenced content belongs in the main part of the article. User GripTheHusk did the right thing by deleting them. Links to websites like musicmight should never be used. Allmusic has been discussed numerous times and it has been decided that it is not to be used a reference for genres. If you examine Allmusic correctly the genre they list W.A.S.P. is Pop/Rock. Their styles are listed as hard rock and heavy metal. For Allmusic to be used as a genre reference the infobox would have to say Pop/Rock and nothing else. Every Allmusic article is listed this way and it is one of the reasons it has been rejected as a genre reference. Any editor may delete links to these websites from infoboxes in music related articles whenever they wish as they are not to be used there. Fair Deal (talk) 22:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

ok.So they move all AMG sourced genres and replace them with unsourced ones.cool.Solino_{the Wolf} 23:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

isnt wasp generally considered glam metal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.149.158 (talk) 16:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Glam metal is a term describing a band's visual look. There isn't really any such thing a 'glam metal' music. Supposed glam metal bands play hard rock and heavy metal. Glam metal, as a visual image, is applied to bands with big hair, neon coloured spandex clothes and make-up... all of which combine to give the band a feminine look. W.A.S.P. do not have anything remotely close to a feminine look... having more black leather, blood and horror imagery. The term 'shock rock' has been used to describe that style but, like glam metal, shock rock isn't s proper musical genre. Shock rock bands play hard rock and heavy metal. W.A.S.P.'s music is heavy metal and hard rock. Both of which are defined music genres. The Real Libs-speak politely 16:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Hair metal?

I know that the image W.A.S.P. had was more along the lines of Alice Cooper, but then again so was Twisted Sister's and they are definately a hair metal band. I believe it should be added as a genre. Opinions anyone? Rockgenre (talk) 04:37, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Its been mentioned previously on this talk page. The term glam metal is more of a reference to visual style or fashion. There really isn't any such thing as glam metal music. Glam metal isn't a distinct musical style. Its OK to say a band has a glam metal look. But since it isn't really a defined musical genre it does not belong in a genre box. GripTheHusk (talk) 19:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

True, but Ratt, Motley Crue, Quiet Riot, etc. all had the image and are listed under the genre, so there is no reason why W.A.S.P. shouldn't be listed as hair metal. Rockgenre (talk) 19:27, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Somebody just changed Motley Crue's page, which makes no sense. I'm going to add hair metal back in as a genre. Rockgenre (talk) 19:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)