Wikipedia:Featured article review/Darjeeling/archive1

Darjeeling

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• Featured article candidates/Darjeeling

• Featured article review/Darjeeling/archive1
• Featured article review/Darjeeling/archive2

Notified: Dwaipayanc, WikiProject India

I am nominating this featured article for review because it has multiple issues. There is a severe lack of sourcing for a start. I question the reliability of sources such as Darjnet and Zubin. The article is similar in length to Gangtok but much worse in standard. I'm sure there are a few cases of bad prose too. Also see the discussion that led to this FAR. Spiderone 08:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

• Comment. Alt text done; thanks. Please add alt text to images; see WP:ALT. Eubulides (talk) 08:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done SBC-YPR (talk) 17:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for adding all that alt text. What you've added is almost all good. However, the alt text for File:India West Bengal locator map.svg is "Map of India showing location of West Bengal", which isn't helpful to the typical reader who may know where India is but not where West Bengal is; can you please improve that? (Please see WP:ALT#Maps for guidance.) Also, three one of the files still lack alt text: File:Darjeeling.jpg, File:West Bengal locator map.svg, File:Darjeeling.ogg; can you please fix that? Thanks. Eubulides (talk) 00:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I've added alt text for File:Darjeeling.jpg. File:Darjeeling.ogg is an audio file and does not require alt text. As to the other two, they are not directly linked from the infobox, and I'm still not very clear as to how to write alt text for a locator map. Could you please help out? Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 17:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. The alt text for File:Darjeeling.ogg turns out to be a template issue; I've suggested a fix at Template talk:Audio #Minor accessibility improvement so we needn't worry about it here. To specify alt text for those two maps, please use the |base_map_alt= and |inset_map_alt= parameters of {{Infobox Indian jurisdiction}}; I just now updated that template and its documentation. Eubulides (talk) 19:36, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done All images now possess alt text. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 16:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for doing all that. Eubulides (talk) 18:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

• I'll basically copy my post from the talk page: What makes these sources reliable? Most of them look rather questionable: no author credits, no proof of reputability, et cetera.

• http://www.darjnet.com/darjeeling/darjeeling/history/darjhistory.htm
• http://www.darjeelingnews.net/darjeeling_tea.html
• http://www.exploredarjeeling.com/history.htm
• http://www.zubin.com/darjeeling/general.htm
• http://www.darjeelingnews.net/tourist-attractions/padmaja-naidu-himalayan-zoological-park.html
• http://darjeelingnews.net/geography.html
• http://www.darjeelingnews.net/tea_facts.html
• http://www.darjeelingnews.net/darjeeling_festivals.html

done. All the above references have been either replaced with more reliable ones or deleted altogether. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 17:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Also:

• Unsourced sentences in the "Economy," "Culture" and "Demographics" subesections (most which I slapped with {{fact}} tags).
• Unqualified "and so on" in the economy section. I think that resorting to "and so on" is sloppy writing. It would be better to say "including" or "such as."
• "Media" section is entirely unsourced.
• "Culture" section has an undue weight on foods, mostly unsourced.
• Plenty more I'm sure I missed.

Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, I have either sourced or deleted most of the unsourced sentences. The prose has been copyedited and upgraded in many places. As regards media, I could find no references - must the entire section be done away with? Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 17:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Good work all around. If you can't source the media section, I would say delete it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 04:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

FARC commentary

FA criteria concerns are sourcing. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 04:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

• I moved it down because many of the paragraphs have one source and they only account for the end of the para. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 04:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
• Delist, concerns about referencing standards. Cirt (talk) 08:21, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
• Delist Even with the removal of the unreferenced section, there are still noticeable gaps in the references. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
• Delist - The prose is mostly good but sections such as "climate", "utility services" and "culture" are poorly sourced. Spiderone 19:34, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

• Note: someone has been working on this article, yet we have three immediate and vague delists which don't specify one singlething about what text is lacking sources or what are consider poor sources. This is poor use of FAR, and this trend should stop. The FARC period lasts at least two weeks, and as long as editors are working on the article, reviewers who enter an early Delist should be prepared to say why, so work can continue, and should be prepared to strike the delist if issues are addressed. I don't see valid reasoning in either of the three delists above. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:41, 1 December 2009 (UTC)