Talk:List of Dragon Ball characters

Deletion of character sections (Part 1, other characters)

The list of other characters is much too long, as are the secondary characters. Thus, I propose a discussion to decide which of these characters need deletion, which of them need to be joined into other sections, and which ones deserve to be kept. Frankly, movie villains should probably be moved to the movie article, but we'll see how that goes. Anyway on to the discussion, please state if the character should be kept, deleted, or merged into another article/section. Please provide a detailed reason for why you believe this should happen.

Touch sig to keep from archiving (remove when all discussions are done) Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Android #8

Resolved

 – deleted with mention in Gero's section

• Merge, Android #8 and pretty much all of the androids should be moved to a section entitled "Dr. Gero and his creations" or something similar. As for Android #8 himself, he is a minor, one chapter character that contributes little to the overall plot, thus the above merge. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Would really just be Dr. Gero and note any relevant creations as needed.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

• Delete, one chapter character that doesn't appear to warrant mention beyond chapter summaries. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - He can be mentioned in chapter summary.じんない 03:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete too minor, shouldn't be mentioned here at all. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
• Comment - I don't agree with merging Android 8 with Dr. Gero, considering the former predates the latter by a few years. Jonny2x4 (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge into a Gero's creations section or into Gero's section itself (like Tambourine or Piano in Piccolo Daimao). --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - He was crucial in the Red Ribbon arc but not afterwards. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Android #16

Resolved

 – Kept

• Merge, Again, merge to "Dr. Gero and his creations", most of the info can be kept, just shortened and under a new section. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, can be a subsection under Dr. Gero is desired, but appears to notable enough. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - Android 16 is probably one of the most important from a plot perspective of all the androids.じんない 03:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge per what DBZROCKS said. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge into a Gero's creations section or into Gero's section itself (like Tambourine or Piano in Piccolo Daimao). --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - 16 was only crucial in one arc and barely appeared in another. But he played a large role in the duration he was in. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Android #19

Resolved

 – deleted with mention moved into Gero's section

• Merge, Merge to "Dr. Gero and his creations", the character isn't really notable enough to stand by himself. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, to minor to mention beyond chapter/episode summaries -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - He can be mentioned in chapter summary.じんない 03:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge per what DBZROCKS said. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge into a Gero's creations section or into Gero's section itself (like Tambourine or Piano in Piccolo Daimao). --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - 19 was integral in the Android saga as his fight was likely the most important of the saga's battles, both against Goku and Vegeta, as well as story development. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Announcer

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Announcer does not meet notablility requirements for having a section and is to be deleted

• Delete, aside from providing commentary, this character does little to nothing to contribute to the plot, and he does not have any major relationships with any characters. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete unnotable background character that does not have any actual role beyond providing commentary -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - unnotable even by most fans, let alone Wikipedia standards.じんない 03:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - the character appeared all throughout merely to announce fights but had no integral attachment to the plot. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Bardock

Resolved

 – moved to Dragon Ball Z: Bardock - The Father of Goku

• Keep, Notable enough to have his own special, important relation with the main character. Also mentioned in the Manga, so he is not just a movie only character. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Move to Dragon Ball Z: Bardock - The Father of Goku, short mention in the manga doesn't warrant inclusion here and movie/special characters should be covered in their articles. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Neutral - The info should be kept, but not sure how.じんない 03:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Move, per above comment.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per what DBZROCKS said. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
• Move to the TV special (Father of Goku). --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Move or Merge - Bardock's appearance is very limited. For the duration that he appeared, he should be mentioned but either in another section or as a merge for another character's small story arc. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Broly

Resolved

 – moved to List of Dragon Ball films#Unique characters

• Merge, move to the Dragon Ball movie list. Movie related character, would be better off in the Movie section. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Move to movie list per DBZRocks. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Neutral - The info should be kept, but not sure how.じんない 03:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Move, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Neutral I'd prefer not to comment on this one. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
• Move to the movie article or section. --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Broly was never a primary character and for the two-and-a-half movies he appears in, he poses a brief role if any. He can be considered a tertiary character at best, and even then won't warrant a keep for his separate section. Best to mention him but not keep his own section. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Bulla

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Bulla is not notable enough to have her own section in the article and is to be deleted

• Delete, minor backround character from GT. Little to no contributions to the plot, no outstanding contributions to other character's development and has no character development of her own. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with brief mention in parents section. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - i think at best just a 1 sentance under her parents is fine.じんない 03:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - a completely tertiary character, if not lesser. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Cooler

Resolved

 – moved to List of Dragon Ball films#Unique characters

• Merge, to Dragon Ball movies. Not notable enough to stand without his two movies, has little to no character development or relevance to the anime or manga. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Move to film list; doesn't existing in manga nor anime series -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Neutral - The info should be kept, but not sure how.じんない 03:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Move, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete serves no purpose. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Move to the movie article or section. --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - He was a primary resonance in two movies, but aside from that, doesn't pose or warrant as a primary or secondary character slot. He should be mentioned in an article to that extent, but doesn't warrant his own section. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Crane Hermit

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Crane Hermit is not notable enough to have his own section and is to be deleted

• Delete Minor Dragon Ball character that has few appearances, and makes little lasting contributions to the plot. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with brief appropriate mention in students section if relevant. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - numerous unremarkable appearances without lasting impact, either through plot, gags or real-world impact, should be removed.じんない 03:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge - Crane Hermit is integral to two sagas in which he appears, pertaining to the plot. However, his information is limited to that extent and should be merged if not deleted with the saga he appears in. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

In list also? 118.71.83.56 (talk) 00:32, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Cui

Resolved

 – Deleted

• Weak Merge The character is not very relavent by himself, but could be easily merged with a section about Freeza's minions (and titled as such). DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with brief mention in Freeza section as one of minions. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete DragonZero (talk) 03:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge with Freeza's minions.じんない 03:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete totally non-notable. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge into a Frieza's minions or acquaintances section. --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - Cui is integral to the saga he appears in. He is not only a secondary character in the manga, but also the anime. He appears prior to the Namek saga as a mysterious figure and follows throughout, even to the pre-Namek threats he gives to Vegeta, and leading to his eventual clash against Vegeta and execution. He's a secondary character in the Namek saga. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Dabura

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Dabura is not notable enough to warrent his own section and is to be deleted

• Delete, Non notable Dragon Ball character that does little to contribute to the overall plot, and even as a minion of Bobidi is not that notable. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per DBZRocks. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per above.じんない 03:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - Dabura is integral to the Babidi and Majin Buu sagas, both in the manga and anime. Dabura is also the most notable of all Babidi's minions. Aside from the fact that he has a battle against Gohan and Majin Buu, his internal struggles, meditation, and further development in the series qualify him as a secondary character, not a primary, but definitely a secondary in the Buu arc. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Dodoria

Resolved

 – removed and mention merged to Freeza's section

• Merge, easy merge to a section about Freeza's minions, important enough to the plot to be mentioned there. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with brief appropriate mention in Freeza's section. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to Freeza's minions.じんない 03:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to any Frieza-related section. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge into a Frieza's minions or acquaintances section. --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - Aside from Zarbon, Dodoria is the second most important and integral character in the Namek Saga. He has the most brutal battle against the Namekians, reveals further secrets to Vegeta, and chases Gohan and Krillin, not to mention the fact that he has earlier history with the elimination of Bardock's team as well as the actual level of importance he plays in the saga he's in. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Briefs

Resolved

 – Consenus is that Dr. Briefs is to be deleted, with appropriate mentions in Bulma and Android #16's sections

• Weak Delete, Dr. Briefs does make some contributions to the plot, but overall, does not make any lasting contributions. He does do more than most minor characters but not enough to deserve a section. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with appropriate mentions in Bulma and Android #16's sections. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - any necessary information can be added to Bulma or Android 16.じんない 03:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge - he can have a small mention if he isn't deleted, in Bulma's section. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Gero

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Dr. Gero is notable enough to have his own section and

• Merge, Notable enough to have a section titled "Dr. Gero and his creations", his actions have lasting effects in that he created all of the Androids, as well as Cell. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep with current name. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - is there any reason to even ask if he has his own subsection which if anything will grow after this?じんない 03:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, perhaps include in his section the minor androids in the same way as Piccolo Daimao's minions are in his section. --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - To remove Dr. Gero is to remove the entire purpose of the Android saga, as well as the further installments in GT. Gero is one of the most crucial and integral secondary characters in DBZ. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Myu

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Dr. Myu is not notable enough to have his own section and is to be deleted

• Delete, He creates Baby and Super 17, but he really does nothing else but that, and he has very little backstory, and lacks relationships with other characters. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with appropriate mention in Baby and Super 17's sections as his creator. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per DBZRocks.じんない 03:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Dr. Myuu plays a particularly important role in the saga he's in. He should be mentioned in a Machine Mutant section at the least, if his own section is deleted. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Elder Kai

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Elder Kai is to be kept as a section

• Weak keep, has notable contributions at the end of Z and at the start of GT. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep but clean up and shorten. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Neutral - his contributions are worthy of mentioning, but I don't know if he deserves his own section.じんない 03:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Unsure so I don't have anything to convey ATM. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Elder Kai appears only after the mid-Buu saga. Although he is integral to some degree, he doesn't warrant his own section. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Emperor Pilaf

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Emperor Pilaf is to be kept as a section

• Delete, non-notable, has minor contributions in Dragon Ball, and a very minor contribution to the plot in GT, but overall has little importance. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep but shorten. Seems to have appeared in more than a few episodes. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep He was the main villain for the first arc and came back a few times in Dragonball. I would say he should be in the secondary characters section given his importance to the first arc and several later arcs.じんない 03:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Pilaf is very notable in the sagas he appears in. However, due to the fact that more important and much more highly integral characters are being merged, his merger in the sections appropriated with tertiary characters is better suited to his appearance. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Evil Dragons

Resolved

 – Consensus is that the Evil Dragons should maintain their own section

• Keep, They are the final villains of Dragon Ball GT, and they have their own arc, so a keep is a good idea. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, clearly notable within the series. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep clearly notable as the last enemy of the series.じんない 03:51, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, per above comments.Tintor2 (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - all the dragons were notable and should be kept. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Fortuneteller Baba

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Fortuneteller Baba is not notable enough for her own section and is to be deleted

• Delete, Only a non backround character in one Manga volume, for the rest of the series, makes no large contributions. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, unnotable; only mention needed is in chapter summaries. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - Can be mentioned in chapter summary.じんない 03:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - Although an entire saga is based on her name, her appearance as a background character who appears time to time doesn't necessarily warrant a keep. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Garlic Jr.

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Garlic Jr. is to be kept as there is no dicenting motion that he is not notable

• Weak Keep, notable enough to have his own movie and filler arc, but at the same time, does not make any actual contributions to the plot. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!!
• Keep, he does have an Arc named after him, so presumably at least somewhat notable. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per above.じんない 03:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Unsure so I don't have anything to convey ATM. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per Collectonian. --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Garlic Junior's primary appearance in one movie, and his eventual secondary appearance in the DBZ saga at least hold a merger for him. However, he is never a primary villain nor a primary character aside from his brief appearances limited to both instances. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

General Rilldo

Resolved

 – Consensus is that General Rilldo is to be deleted as he is not notable enough to warrent his own section

• Stong Delete, Minor Dragon Ball GT villain who makes few contributions to the plot, and serves as a one-shot villain, unnotable. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per DBZRocks. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:51, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per above.じんない 03:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Rilldo qualifies for the same treatment as Myuu. They are both integral in the saga they appear in. His fight against Goku was notable. He shouldn't be deleted but should be merged with a Machine Mutant section, the same case as Myuu. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Ginyu Force

Resolved

 – Consensus is that the Ginyu force should keep its section

• Strong Keep, merge under the aformentioned section about Freeza's minions, but otherwise keep as is. Many notable contributions to the series, and are main villains for multiple volumes. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep as own section. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - they should have their own subsection under Freeza's minions as they are the principal villians aside from Freeza during the arc.じんない 03:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - The Ginyu Force never plays the role of primary villains. However, as a group, they pose as secondary villains. They aren't officially aligned with Frieza's military and they aren't his minions. They are mercenaries hired by Frieza, and are ultimately integral to one saga, the Ginyu arc. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Giru

Resolved

 – Consensus is that the Giru section is to be deleted, with appriopriate mentions in the episode summaries

• Strong Delete, very minor character that has no spoken dialouge, and does nothing except to function as a Dragon Radar. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, while minor, seems to have at least some supporting role. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - the info can be added in the episode summaries and if we have a section for the dragon radar somewhere, there too.じんない 03:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge - Giru's appearance is very limited to a few instances in GT. In the entire story, he barely plays a tertiary role. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Gotenks

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Gotenk's section should be deleted, with appropriate mentions in Goten and Trunk's sections

• Merge, A fusion between Goten and Trunks, whose information can be placed in both of those respective characters articles, not notable enough by himself. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with appropriate notes in Goten and Trunks sections. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge per above.じんない 03:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to Goten and Trunks, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete very minor character, shouldn't even be noted. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Delete - Fusions are very brief in appearance. They aren't noteworthy and establish even less than the Goten and Trunks characters as stand-alone references. This is a definite delete due to its very brief appearance. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Grandpa Gohan

• Keep, major contribution to the plot in that he raises Goku, and Gohan is named after him. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete raising Goku and having Gohan named after him are not really notability factors to me. He dies quickly, then isn't seen again except for flashbacks, correct? So delete, and mention as is appropriate in Goku and Gohan's sections. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per Collectonian. He is used a prop, not an actual character. His importance as an idea is needed for Goku's section and perhaps a few others like Master Roshi, but he plays no part in the storyline.じんない 04:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Comment No he actually appears as the mystery champion that Goku faces at Baba's in chapters 105-108. So he's not limited to flashbacks. Althought I know it's redundant at this point, I just thought I'd point that out. Sarujo (talk) 11:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
  • That makes him at most a one-time character which is better suited to chapter summaries.じんない 21:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep what DBZROCKS said. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep. "Not an actual character"?? What is he if not?? --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - the extent of Grandpa Gohan's importance can easily be described in a small section under Goku's history, only to briefly serve as mentioning him. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - I agree with DBZROCKS. And besides, he appeared in the film adaptation. Sutsare (talk) 22:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

• Can we come to a consensus on this one so we can close the last remaining character?陣内_Jinnai 06:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Guru

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Guru is not notable enough to have his own section, and is to be deleted

• Delete, not very notable, dispite giving a one time power-up to two characters. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete role easily covered in chapter/episode summaries. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per Collectonian.じんない 04:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge with the Ginyu Force section. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Guru plays a minor role in the saga he's in. Aside from being a guiding light to his people and a philosophic and knowledgeable character overall, his appearance is brief. However, the events leading to his demise and his eventual acceptance of his fate are reasons why he should be mentioned in a section and not deleted completely. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Kai

Resolved

 – removed Elder Kai and Kai with partial merge to King Kai section

• Delete, King Kai can be kept for the contributions he makes to the plot, but the rest of the Kaios are filler anime characters that are very unnotable. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge some into King Kai to give explanatory info. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge with Supreme Kai.じんない 04:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per DBZROCKS. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete but mention them in King Kai's section. --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - King Kai is highly integral, maybe more than any other Kai in the series run. The amount of his appearance, both in manga, and anime, as well as filler, is enough to at least warrant a mention of him in a section rather than completely delete him. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

King Cold

Resolved

 – Consensus is that King Cold is not notable enough to have his own section, and is to be deleted

• Strong Delete, very, very minor villain that appears in one volume, and does not even do much except get defeated by Trunks in said volume. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, DBZROCKS already said it well -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per above.じんない 04:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - I personally love the character of Cold. However, his appearance is very brief in the saga he's in (spanning four episodes). He can at least be mentioned in the Frieza section. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

King Yemma

Resolved

 – Consensus is that King Yemma is not notable enough to have his own section, and is to be deleted

• Delete, Serves little purpose in the overall plot, provides only exposition. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete extremely minor. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per above.じんない 04:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - Yemma never plays a secondary role. He's always either a tertiary or even lesser character who briefly appears from time to time, same as the likes of Fortuneteller Baba. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Korin

Resolved

 – Consensus is that the Korin section is to be deleted

• Delete, serves little purpose in the overall plot, besides giving Goku a one-time powerup. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete no need for mention beyond chapter/episode summaries. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:50, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - mention it in the chapter/episode.じんない 04:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to any relevant section (if one exists). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - Although he's integral to a few plots, Korin's appearance is very limited and fits under the same consensus as Fortuneteller Baba and Yemma. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Launch

Resolved

 – Deleted - if mentions appropriate in other character sections, can be added as needed

• Delete, Minor backround character that does little besides provide comic relief during Dragon Ball, and completely disappears partway through Z. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with possible very brief mention in Tien's and Roshi's sections. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep. While she does do little more than provide comic relief, she is for the duration she is a part of - which is several arcs - play the role in it. The amount of rehashing plot that would need to be done - Roshi, Goku, Tien and Krillin would make it worse than leaving her in.じんない 04:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to any relevant section (if one exists). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep a recurring established presence for a considerable part of the series. --LoЯd ۞pεth 03:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Launch should be mentioned in another section, although her appearance in later sagas is very limited. Her actual development as a character from the start accomplishes something for her role. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Marron

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Marron is not notable enough to have her own section and is to be deleted

• Delete, does nothing relavent to the plot at all. No notability besides being related to Kuririn/Krillin. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with appropriate mention in Krillin and #18's section. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with a brief mention in Krillin's and #18's sections.じんない 04:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Delete - Never played even a tertiary role. This character was just in the background for the sake of being there. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Mercenary Tao

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Mercenary Tao is not notable enough to have his own section and is to be deleted

• Delete, minor, one chapter villain that does nothing significant in the overall plot. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, too minor, already covered in chapter summary. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per aboveじんない 04:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC).
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to Crane Hermit's section. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Mercenary Tao is a primary character in Dragon Ball. However, his appearance ratio is diminished greatly in DBZ. For the sake of mentioning him, he should be maintained to some degree by being mentioned in a saga arc or another character's profile, such as anything in relation to the Red Ribbon Army's orders. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Merge He was significant enough to develop Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu into Z Fighters, and was mentioned in three sagas, and appeared in two sagas of Dragonball.

Mr. Popo

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Mr. Popo is to minor to have his own section and is to be deleted, with appropriate mentions in Kami's section

• Delete, Minor backround character with little significance to the plot. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, too minor. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge relevant info with Kami.じんない 04:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to Kami's section. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Mr Popo's not mentioned in the entire article... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurtle (talk • contribs) 00:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Popo is a secondary character whenever he actually appears and always seems to play some role. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Muri

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Muri is not notable enough to have his own section

• Delete, Very minor, character that appears in a very limited ammount of chapters. There is nothing to say about the character then the very minor contributions he makes to the plot in one volume. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete appearances too brief. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - note contribution in the chapter/episode list.じんない 04:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - Muuri's purpose was to show the Namekians endurance and ability to try and withstand even against greater odds. However, his appearance is very limited and the fact that he barely appears just to get butchered by Dodoria, proves his lesser role. His further appearances after revival are extremely brief, once to allow Dende to become the Earth's Guardian, and another to help with the Dragon Ball's wishes. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Mutaito

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Mutaito is not notable enough to have his own section

• Strong Delete, Very minor character that is only very lightly expanded upon in the anime, not notable enough to have his own section. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with appropriate brief mentions in Roshi and the Crane Hermit's sections. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with appropriate mention in Roshi's section.じんない 04:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to any relevant section, an outright removal shouldn't do. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - Mutaito is lesser than Crane Hermit based on appearance. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Nail

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Nail's section is to be deleted, with appriopriate mentions in Piccolo's section

• Delete, serves little purpose in the overall plot than to be defeated by Freeza and fuse with Piccolo, after he fuses with Piccolo, he disapperas from the plot. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with appropriate mention in Piccolo's section. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge per Collectonian's comment.じんない 04:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to Piccolo's article. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Same consensus as Guru. Nail was integral in some of one saga, but limited in appearance and never a primary role. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Nappa

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Nappa's section is to be deleted

• Delete, Minor villain, that serves no purpose overall than to be defeated by Goku to show off his new power. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with appropriate mention in Vegeta and Piccolo's section as warranted. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per Collectonian.じんない 04:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to any relevant section, an outright removal shouldn't do. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Served as the active antagonist for 11 chapters straight (if I did my math correctly). He was around about as long as the Ginyu, and had as much or more screen time than Cpt. Ginyu. And above there was enthusiastic votes to keep the Ginyu Force due to their roles as primary antagonists before the boss stepped in. Nappa was Vegeta's "Ginyu." Onikage725 (talk) 00:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
• Comment, except that the Ginyu force were main villains for around three volumes, while Nappa was only a major character in one. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 21:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - Nappa is the most important secondary character in all of the Saiyan Saga. His role alone established the entire battle of the first saga of DBZ. Without Nappa, more than ten episodes would be thrown aside. His very essence, role, amount of appearance, and storyline constitutes the makings of a secondary character. Nappa is integral to the plot and should keep his own section without a shred of doubt. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Ox King

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Ox King's section is to be deleted, with appropiate mentions in Chi-Chi's section

• Merge, Can be mentioned in Chi-Chi's article, not notable enough on his own, and has importance in one section of one volume, and for the rest of the series, is regulated to being a backround character. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with the appropriate mention in Chi-Chi's section/article. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge per above.じんない 04:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete or merge, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to any relevant section. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge - Ox-King was never a primary character, always a tertiary character. His appearance was limited and the only time the storyline revolved around him was when Goku and Chi-Chi searched for the Bansho Fan and the Furnace to stop the fire from burning down his castle. However, he never appears thoroughly enough to warrant a keep. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Pikkon

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Pikkon is not notable enough to have his own section and is to be deleted

• Delete, Minor character that has very little purpose other than to pad out the anime with filler. As he is a filler character, he has no lasting effects on the plot at all. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, while being filler only is not, in and off itself, a reason to remove a character, still appears to be a minor character -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per Collectonian.じんない 04:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Delete - Pikkon is so limited in his appearance of four episodes, even when not incorporating the fact that the entire saga was filler, Pikkon's importance beyond that is barely notable. He can be mentioned if there's a section of Other World contestants, but his role is strictly lesser than tertiary. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Porunga

Resolved

 – Porunga removed and merged into Shenron section

• Merge, Porunga is basically Shenlong/Shenron's Namekian counterpart, and thus, can be mentioned in his section. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Weak Keep, maybe he his counterpart, but still distinct it seems. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge and rename the section to Dragon Gods or something per the Kai/Supreme Kai.じんない 04:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to any relevant section. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge into Shenlong's section as the Namek variant of the dragon. --LoЯd ۞pεth 03:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Porunga's purpose is the same as Shenron's. He can be mentioned in a section. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Raditz

Resolved

 – Consenus is that Raditz is to be deleted, with appriopriate mentions in Bardock's and Goku's sections

• Delete, Besides being the brother of the protagonist, Raditz does little more than serve as a minor, one chapter villain. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with appropriate mentions in Goku and Bardock's section. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per above.じんない 04:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to any relevant section, an outright removal shouldn't do. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - Raditz is the first secondary villain to appear in DBZ. His role is integral to the plot, as well as the fact that his battle is a deciding one. To delete Raditz or Nappa is nothing short of a mistake. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Red Ribbon Army

Resolved

 – Consensus is that the Red Ribbon Army section is to be kept

• Strong Keep Very notable, multi-volume villains that are very notable in that they also affect Dr. Gero later in the series. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per DBZROCKS. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per above.じんない 04:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - General Blue, General White, Assistant Black, Commander Red, etc. all play secondary to primary roles in the sagas they are in. None of them should be deleted or merged. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Saibamen

Resolved

 – Consensus is that the Saibamen section is to be deleted as the Saibamen are not notable enough

• Strong Delete, extremely minor characters that, besides having no dialouge, serve little more purpose than to provide cannon fodder. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, nothing more than a tool and already mention in main Saiyan article. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per above.じんない 04:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - they can be mentioned in a small section for Nappa or Vegeta or pertaining to the Saiyan saga. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Spopovich

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Spopovich is not notable enough to warrent his own section, and is to be deleted

• Strong Delete, minor one volume villain that does very little in the overall scheme of things. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete one-time character. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per above.じんない 04:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge - Spopovich's fight against Videl was important, as well as his stealing of Gohan's energy, his return to Babidi, and brutal execution at the hands of the wizard. He can at least warrant a mention if not his own section under Babidi's section. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Turtle

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Turtle is to be deleted for not being notable enough to have his own section

• Strong Delete, extremely minor backround character, that serves little more purpose than to simply provide a source of comic relief. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete with mention in Roshi's section. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge into Roshi's section.じんない 04:27, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Merge to Roshi's section. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - Turtle was never a secondary or tertiary character and his extremely brief appearances from time to time don't warrant a keep. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Zarbon

Resolved

 – Consensus is that Zarbon is to be kept and can be merged, or stay a stand alone section

• Merge, More notable then Dodoria at the very least, should be merged into a section about Freeza's minions. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 02:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, has enough notability on his own for at least his own section. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per above.じんない 04:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - Zarbon is the most important villain in the Namek Saga (not counting the Frieza saga). He plays more of a role than the entire Ginyu Force combined. His appearance is integral not only to Vegeta and Frieza's character arcs, but his own as a secondary character overall, both in the Bardock storyline and the Namek saga. His overall persona as a villain is second only to Frieza, who is a primary character. - Zarbon (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

FUNimation Names Changes

Now that all of FUNimation's Z season sets have been released, it's time to talk about its somewhat "revised" dub. One change from the original dub I caught immediately was that "Hercule" (a FUNimation-only name) was now being addressed as his Japanese/manga name, "Mr. Satan." I have explained this many times when changing his name on the article (WP seems to follow the dub, so I thought it was appropriate), but people are complaining that since this remastered release never aired on TV, it's not worthy of a change. WTF!? They even said the season sets weren't big sellers (then why are we getting a Dragon Box release!?), so more people were familiar with the original dub. Unfortunately, the GT sets weren't revised at all I think, so the name remained "Hercule." Hercule isn't even his name in the Japanese version, it's Mark, so don't argue we can change it to "Hercule Satan." This issue might get resolved if all pages follow the manga names, but that might take forever! Any thoughts? D4c3nt3n0 (talk) 19:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, it even says this currently in the article that Mr. Satan is used in the "uncut" dub/version of the show. D4c3nt3n0 (talk) 19:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Have patience. The current discussion about the names is going in another direction. Basically neither manga nor anime, but what names are more commonly used by non-anime/manga/TV/comic media. As Wikipedia polices state, when using names with different variations, we must use the most commonly used in the English-speaking world. This means, we have to check mainstream media sources where such names are used. As you can see in Jinnai's investigation, we can start seeing a pattern with some of the names. The purpose of the investigation is to know which names are more commonly used in the whole English-speaking world, not only in some parts of the US. Jinnai exemplified this with the Roronoa Zoro case, where there were also conflicting versions of the name and it was determined that the names would be revised individually. This is currently the approach with the names that we are trying to use, either for determining if the anime version has had more "impact" than the manga version (or vice versa) in the English-speaking world, or to determine the most common variation of the names, because even if it's anime the one that ends up showing greater "impact", the anime version has used several name variations for several characters, which still makes it confusing, as you just pointed out with your example.

If you believe that Mr. Satan is the most common variation used in the English-speaking world (this is the English Wikipedia after all), I suggest that you try to do what Jinnai is doing, that is, find mainstream media articles where both names are used in order to prove that it is far more common to find Mr. Satan than Hercule. I have no doubt that Mr. Satan is the most common variation in the non-English-speaking world, but I also know that most American fans knew him with the name Hercule because of the possible controversy that might have attracted "Satan" in the original broadcast. And when I mean mainstream, I do not mean anime/manga/TV/comic related publications, but more general publications like newspapers. That way you'll have a very strong argument in your favor for using Mr. Satan instead of Hercule. Try to look also for non-American mainstream sources to have a wider view of the English-speaking world. Jfgslo (talk) 23:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't the name that the author gave the character precede everything else? Regardless of the changed name being used more in this region, the fact is that Hercule is not the name that Toriyama gave him. It's Mr.Satan. Why is what English speaking fans know taking precedent over what the creator of the character says his name is?

Starone (talk) 02:12, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Porunga Again

Collectonian recently reverted someone's edits to the page that made a section about the Namekian dragon, Porunga. He is a character that appears in the story many times, so he should have his own section. Shenlong has one, so he should, too. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by D4c3nt3n0 (talk • contribs) 02:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I suppose the dragons could be merged in one section.Tintor2 (talk) 02:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

No, he was merged into Shenlong's session per consensus above. He does not need a separate section, which is why the dragons were merged.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

But, why? He isn't the same character. If it was meant to happen, why not merge them under a name like "Dragons." He isn't Shenlong, and there are different dragons in the series. D4c3nt3n0 (talk) 03:06, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

No, he isn't, but he is the same type of character which is why he was merged there, as he is the Namekian equivalent, but relatively minor to the series. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:14, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

You said you aren't a DB fan, so how can you assume he is minor character? He played a big part in the Namek/Freeza arc, a smaller part in the Majin Buu arc (restoring Goku's health to fight Buu), and even made a tiny appearance in GT when he restored Earth after it exploded. In conclusion, he should have his own section or be a part of a "Dragons" section. D4c3nt3n0 (talk) 03:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I do not have to be a fan to participate in discussions, and per the other discussions, he is a minor character overall. Being a large part in a single arc does not make him a major character. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with your last statement a little, because Zarbon has a section and is really not that important besides the fact he beat the crap out of Vegeta once. Also, No. 17 has a section and he only played a big role in one arc. Again, there should just be a "Dragons" section because he is some-what important and is definitely not Shenlong and shouldn't be included in the Shenlong section. And I never said you couldn't participate in the discussion, so don't twist my words. I was just saying you assumed he was very minor and you didn't know that he was as important in an arc, just like No. 17 and Zarbon (more important actually)... and maybe Pilaf who appeared in just thirteen episodes (then again he was the first villain, so he is important...). D4c3nt3n0 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC).

Oops. I hadn't even read the section from the list when I commented here.Tintor2 (talk) 03:03, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

The dragons are way too brief in their appearance. They appear once every 50 or so episodes and briefly, and Porunga's brief onscreen appearance for about 3 or 4 non-consecutive episodes amounts to what exactly? I don't see the comparison with actual characters in the series. For one, much of the primary fighters from numerous sagas have been removed already, such as Dodoria, Android 19, Dabura, etc. Why in the name of all that exists would Porunga have a section when actual appearing and fighting characters don't...? - Zarbon (talk) 13:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I see your point. He doesn't need his own section, but maybe rename the Shenlong section to "Dragons." They aren't the same characters so Porunga shouldn't listed under Shenlong. Also, why do the artificial humans and Freeza's men need their own section? Zarbon is probably as important as Porunga, so why can't we do this. Have a section for all the artificial humans (Dr. Gero a/k/a/ No. 20, No. 19, No. 18, No. 17, No. 16, but not Nos. 15-13), a section for all of Freeza's men (Dodoria, Zarbon, etc.), and a section for the dragons (Shenlong, Porunga, GT Shenlong, Evil Blue Shenlong that appears in the last arc of GT). D4c3nt3n0 (talk) 15:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

There is a minor but important difference between Shenlong and Porunga, and Porunga and Zarbon: both Shenlong and Zarbon have meaningful interactions with the story as characters, while Porunga is mostly a plot device. An important part of the Freeza's saga is the duel between Vegeta and Zarbon. Shenlong is an important character that has appeared since the original Dragon Ball series and he even "dies" at some point. Porunga barely appears twice and in the manga his appearances are even less significant, important plot-wise, but insignificant nonetheless. The Androids also have a a lot of interaction, particularly 16, 17 and 18. However, I agree that, with the exception of 18, these characters would benefit from a section for their type (Freeza's underlings, Androids.) But I don't think that their GT counterparts deserve to be in the same section as Shenlong and Porunga. GT is entirely different from the rest of the series and they should have their own section. Jfgslo (talk) 19:01, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Zarbon may have been important, but as Collectonian said, an importance in one arc doesn't mean he deserves his own section. Thanks for agreeing though that they should be in one section, that's it. Another thing, I wasn't talking about the evil dragons that FUNi calls the "Shadow Dragons," I was talking about the blue Shenlong that appeared when Goku and co. collected the cracked Dragon Balls. Of course, this Shenlong could also be mentioned in the Evil Dragons section since he created them from the Dragon Balls. D4c3nt3n0 (talk) 21:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I knew you were referring to the GT Shenlongs. In my opinion, they should not be on par with Shenlong and Porunga even if they are similar. They are anime exclusive characters and have no real relationship with the original story. They have more in common with the "Shadow Dragons" than with the original dragons. That's what I meant when I said that they should not be with Shenlong and Porunga. Jfgslo (talk) 22:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't talking about the evil dragons, I was talking about the Shenlong that appears when Goku and the others gather the cracked Dragon Balls. He is actually Shenlong, just in an evil form. I was just saying he could go under both sections since he is Shenlong and he did bring up the evil dragons. D4c3nt3n0 (talk) 01:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know you were referring to the Shenlong created by Kami-sama before separating from his evil and the Shenlong that appeared with the cracked balls. I know that the Evil Dragons and those GT Shenlongs are not the same, but I stand in the same position since GT and most things there were not created by Toriyama and many times contradict the manga. To put it bluntly, all related to GT (including the evil Shenlong) must be treated differently because that is not part of the original story by Toriyama and thus only applies to the GT anime. This is only my personal opinion, nothing more. Jfgslo (talk) 14:20, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

If there is any change to be made, in all honesty, a GT character page should be created seperately. Dragonball is a manga by Toriyama that spanned 42 tankobon volumes, the last 26 had the Z added to them, but they were labelled as the same story by the author. GT is, at best, a non-linear continuation that would warrant its own list. On the subject of a "Dragons" section, to do that would give equal weight to both dragons, even though Shenlong was a continuing character/major plot device throughout the entire run of DB/Z. As stated, Porunga only appeared in 2 scenes in either the manga or anime. He really only merits a mention in Porunga's, or possibly Guru's section. StryyderG 17:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by StryyderG (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected article proposition

I have noticed that this particular article has to be daily restored from vandalism and bad edits. I think that it would be beneficial to semi-protect the article, considering that the names are still in discussion and that it's an enormous waste of time having to be restoring the page daily. Since most of the vandalism comes from anonymous users instead of registered Wikipedia contributors, a low-level protection would suffice. What do other editors thinks? Jfgslo (talk) 01:58, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree. While unregistered users do have some things to offer, most of them that visit this article simply mess it up to be frank. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 02:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I support a semi-protection lock. WP:RFPP is definitely the place to go to for these matters. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead and ask.陣内_Jinnai 20:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Sifu norris

Why does sifu norris link to this page if there is no info here?98.238.116.225 (talk) 15:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Goten article

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Goten real World Content

-In music, the song "Chīsa na Senshi~Goten to Trunks no Theme~" by Shin Oya focuses on both Trunks and Goten.

-Appearnce as Playble character in other video games ( Jump stars series)

-Appearnce in Japenese school supply commercials

Main character

-Majin buu

-Frieza

-Cell

All three of these character have only made one saga appearnces an are main character? wrong Goten has Been through mulitple sagas an actual series through DBZ an DBGT an is a Primary Character of Dragonball series. with more important parts then any of the 3 characters above, an is also the only character in the Dragonball series to be on the cover of dezinshu alone (besides Goku).

Necessery changes

-Goten - Main Article- Being created

-Goten main character- place Goten in Main characters, an remove secondary characters like cell an majinbuu

(Queens Kiid (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC))

 Disagree - It is fine as it is since Cell and Majin Buu would qualify as main characters as they are present in more than one saga each and are involved in the major battles. Also, Goten would qualify as a secondary character since they are not involved in the major battles. However, I won't disagree on a separate on Goten being created. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 277° 16' 45" NET 18:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any significant coverage by reliable third-party sources being put forward, which any stand-alone character article must have. Being a main or secondary character is does not grant notability to a characters. Pointing to other articles, which have established their character's notability, is unpersuasive. And repeated appearances within the same franchise is irrelevant. —Farix (t | c) 19:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

response

Hes been in far more then enough major battles

Major battles

Goten vs Trunks

Gotenks vs majinbuu

Goten vs Baby

Goten vs Super 17

Goten vs Omega shenron

Goten & Trunks vs abu & Kado

Goten vs Gohan

That is 7 major battles far more then Majin buu, cell an frieza maybe even put together. The real world content if what you want is proof as to what i posted i be glad to post it, in if the case is that these arnt reliable or good then why do you have a trunks seperate article were he has about just as much real world content as Goten. Ive proven more then enough for him to be a main character an supplied enough real world content for a a seperate article for Goten.

(Queens Kiid (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC))

-In music, the song "Chīsa na Senshi~Goten to Trunks no Theme~" by Shin Oya focuses on both Trunks and Goten. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Power_∞

-appearance as a playable charater in Jump stars series

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_Ultimate_Stars

-Appearnce in commercials in japan for school supplys ( to inspire for education)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Er7dl5x7xE&feature=related

here evidence an proof toward my real world contents.

(Queens Kiid (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC))

As I said, all of that is irrelevant without coverage from reliable third-party sources. When it comes to fictional characters, significant coverage by reliable third-party sources is the standard by which we base the character's inclusion on. The character's role in the plot doesn't make them notable, the existence of other character articles doesn't make the character notable, and have appearances in other parts of the franchise does not make the character notable either. So far you have presented any coverage by third party sources. —Farix (t | c) 20:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

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Goten may not be the main character of the show but he is one of the main characters on the show with more importance that any of the villans placed in the main characters section

-7 major battles

-multiple very important movie roles

-relationship with main character Goku

-with out this character the dragonball story would have ended ealier (showin his importance)

-In more episodes an important roles then any of the 3 villans posted above

This show he is not a secondary character, He is a main character.

(Queens Kiid (talk) 15:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC))

The main characters are the character that are the primary focus of the series. Goten is not among these characters. I would also state that many of the antagonists are also not "main characters" either as the series moves from one main antagonist to another antagonist throughout its run. This may be a series where it is better to organize the characters as either protagonists, antagonists, and supporting/secondary characters. —Farix (t | c) 21:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

he is a primary focus character i the show their are countless times the show focuses on him do you want me to poin it out, the only main character to the show is Goku but just like Trunks Gohan vegeta an piccolo goten is a primary character an to put him in the secondary character is wrong.

(Queens Kiid (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC))

so lets add him to the main characters section.

(Queens Kiid (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC))

Here DBZ focus an Goten's Importantce to the show

Imortance in the show, Primary focus to the show (roles, ect)

far beyond a secondary character an more imprtant roles an importance to the show then some main character places in the MC section

-Majin buu saga plays a big role Very important role in the saga

-Bio Broly the movie focuses on Goten an Trunks as the stars

-Broly the second coming the movie focuses on Goten an Trunks as the stars

-Baby Saga shows a Large importance of Goten in the saga

-Super 17 saga all main character hero go face up against Super 17, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten and Trunks

-Shadow dragon saga saving Goku's life an Facing Omega shenron alone with the other main characters Vegeta, Gohan and Trunks

-on the Cover of the DBZ dezenshuu only other DBZ character besides goku to be on the cover solo

- The DBZ movies Speacial Yo son Goku and is friends return Goten Stars as the star of the movie along with trunks to the movie

-In the end of DBZ final edisodes in the final tournament of DBZ all the main characters join the tournament, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Majin buu

-World martial arts tournament saga Takes Goten an Trunks as the star all the way up to their final battle in the tournament

- Fusion reborn movie all main characters take on villans from hell Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, an Goku

- DBZ movie wrath of the dragon All main character face hirudagon, Goku, vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks

-Baby saga all main character team up to take down Baby great ape, Goku, Gohan, Goten and Trunks

i belive that is proof indicating that Goten is a Main character to the anime an importance to the show. thats more then enough an even more then most main characters in the main character section, not by battles but by importance like i shown.

(Queens Kiid (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC))