Talk:Denazification

Soviet Zone Denazification

This article states that, "The most radical and rapid denazification occurred in the Soviet zone... Members of the Nazi Party and its daughter organizations were removed from their positions without right of appeal."

This information seems to be contradicted by the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, which states that, "In the Soviet zone, denazification measures were designed to serve the Soviet's main objective - restructuring society according to Communist principles. Most rank and file Nazis were not affected by the Soviet measures because they showed they were willing to participate in the creation of a Communist society, usually by joining the Communist party." http://motlc.learningcenter.wiesenthal.org/text/x14/xm1497.html

I would suggest that there are many sources that suggest or simply state that denazification within the soviet zone was never seriously attempted. The soviets simply "ignored" those with significant Nazi history if it served their own purposes. A great many Nazis who had been in positions of authority were allowed to retain those positions in the new regime if they claimed to have seen the light and "converted" to Communism. However, anyone who did not tow the Communist line, regardless of their past history, was usually branded as having been a Nazi, simply to justify their incarceration, usually in the old Nazi camps now being run by the Soviets. There are even cases of Jews being accused of being Nazis! I would be happy to have a crack at re-writing some of this and including the necessary references where appropriate. I really think it needs to be said. Wood Artist 04:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Denazification of Austria

As far as I can see, this text is not about denazification in Austria, although it says so in the opening paragraph. Would it be a good idea not to mention Austria there and rename the whole page Denazification in Germany? Comments? >KF< 21:07, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Occupation Zones existed in Austria in a similar manner to how they did in Germany - perhaps the text refers not only to German zones but the Austrian ones too? >Cube< Thu Jun 3 16:31:20 UTC 2004

Backlash effects?

I am rather shocked by the last paragraph of this article. It does not contain any information but is only a complaint that Nazi-children are still waiting for humane treatment.

I would like to have some detailed information about any single case where there was no differentiation between parent and offspring. Because I have difficulties to believe that there were any. -- Susanna576 20:53, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Without a source its more harmfull than helpfull. I'll remove the section unless anyone objects. Frederick12 23:04, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Denazification effects

The objective and reason of the Denazification was to erase from Western societies all rests of Nazism. Until the appearance of Nazi children at the end of last century the Denazification campaign was successful. All Nazi children kept silent, dwelled in their closet. Their reinsertion by own will in our societies makes Susanna and millions of children of the victors shocked. It is all too normal. Peace work is challenged by the enormity of the WW II. Kluwer 06 April 2005

In his book, The Beast Reawakens, author Martin A. Lee presents research to make the case that denazification was an idea never adequately accomplished; and, in regards to the Nazi industrialists, denazification was barely attempted. He tracks the postwar activities of celebrated Nazis like Otto Ernst Remer; Remer began the Socialist Reich Party in postwar West Germany. [Lee. Martin A., The Beast Reawakens, copyright 1997, Little, Brown & Company, ISBN 0-316-51959-6] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nora (talk • contribs) 07:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Continuing Denazification

When will the world wake up the the Nazification of India, and undertake the Denazification of India?

Or will it wait until India achieves its dreams of imitating Nazi Germany and Meiji Japan as a world superpower and commits horrible crimes against humanity?

It seems that "Never Again!" stops at the borders of the West!

While the West boycotted the Austrian government because of its inclusion of Joerg Haider's alleged Neo-Nazi party in the coalition, it had no problems cohaitating with Atalbihari Vajpayi's Neo-Nazi regime, based on the Neo-Nazi Sangh Parivar, Bajrang Dal, R.S.S., and with the rabidly Hitlerolatrous Shiv Sena of Bollocks Thugrat as a valued coalition partner!

Bill Clinton, the purported ultra-liberal, had no compunction visiting with, and endorsing Vajpayi's Neo-Nazi government! Speak of hypocrisy!

Even Israel has had no compunction cozying up with the Indian Neo-Nazis!

My warnings are being ignored, but in the hope that some at least in the world are not asleep, I remind the world that India is an emerging threat; that there is little difference between the "secularists" Indian parties, such as the Indian National Congress, and the Sangh Parivar or Shiv Sena on the other hand, and that if history is permitted to be forgotten, it will inevitably repeat itself!

Wake up now! The real major threats to future world peace are not Globalization, etc., but such as India! I predict that Communist China will implode within 20 years, degenerating into civil war, and so will not be a major threat. Even the War on Terror / Clash of Islamic - Western civilizations will be overshadowed.

This may sound hyped, but if the world will not take a hand, it will one day see a new Hitler in the person of Narendra Modi or Dilip Singh Judeo presiding over a Nazi Bharat!

WikiSceptic 07:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia talk pages are probably not the best places for evangelizing your own personal speculative beliefs concerning world events. If you have credible sources relevant to the subject that could shed some light on the subject of the article, feel free to contribute.

-- G-Flex 15:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

University Ban in the ABZ

I'm interested in seeing more (or at least some mention) of the ban against young Germans entering German universities on the basis of Nazi education (i.e. the AH schools, etc.). I have heard firsthand that it included Napola cadets, and also that a few visiting American politicians felt sorry for some of these kids and actually sponsored them to study in the USA. I would like to find sources on this, however. Cyclopean typewriter 01:29, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Fragebogen

The Fragegogen was the questionaire that many hundreds of thousands were required to complete, detailing their past, party membership, and activities. It was not truly an objective process, with many significant Nazis cleared while "small fry" often were denied future employment due to their answers. The paper document was followed up with an interview. If the subject was cleared, s/he was given a document called a "Persil" certificate...so named for a brand of soap...that allowed them to seek employment in the sensitive positions such as teaching.

I believe this element should be included in the article, and I'd be happy to have a go at writing it. Any objections?

Wood Artist 04:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

By all means - go ahead! That's what Wikipedia is for. Cheers, Mabuse 18:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Italy?

Was a similar program done in Italy? If so, it may be a good addition. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.191.17.168 (talk) 03:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

Nothing was done in Italy. They still occupy South Tyrol, still enforce the use of their invented Italian names there, still have many fascist monuments, and recenty elected Alessandra Mussolini to the EP. -- Matthead ^discuß!     O       21:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Did an Italian steal your girlfriend or something? Occupy.. "invented" names. You are extremely ignorant Matthead with regard to this province. But anyway, I guess that Denazification was highly successful in Germany, eh? o_O Icsunonove 01:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes denazification was extremely succesful! The rise of German neonazis and nationalists is a good example. Ghum. Italy, by definition cant be "denazified", because fascism (how bad it may be) isn't nazism, and there are at least 6 million reasons to support that view. And Matthead is the last person on wikipedia to accuse others of nationalism. What happened matthead? Could they finally get you to stop adding German, and removing polish names from Polish articles, so now you've moved to Italy? Rex 20:33, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Even if it can be funny to reply, I think that the better thing to do in these cases is to look and pass.--Supparluca 09:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hold on, surely the occupation and annexation of South Tyrol by Italy is at least as relevant as the annexation / recovery of East Germany by the Russians and Poles. Italy was an Axis member which retained South Tyrol because it was politically savvy, thus benefiting from fascism, so whether or not it was subsequently de-nazified or de-fascisiesd is a valid questionFetu's dad (talk) 04:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Not limited to "Nazis"

Denazification seems to be an euphemism. While it was mainly directed against members of the NSDAP. Non-Members of the German elite were included as well.

Define the German "elite" and how the non-members of this class were denazified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.146.62.185 (talk) 03:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Denazification in Polish territories

The current version is an unbelievable and absolutely inacceptable POV. “Some ethnic Germans were expelled because of their Nazi activities during the war” ? Some ? 15 million people were forced to leave and NOBODY asked anything about their political thougts. A German was a fascist, that´s all. The whole term does not belong to the topic Denazification, which describes the decisions of the Allied Control Council in Berlin, how to treat Nazis and how these decisions were transformed in the different Occupation Zones. The Allied Control Council wasn´t responsible for Polish territories and whatever happened there was not decided by this Council. Btw there´s no coherence to the linked term Landsmannschaft. The whole section should be removed from this topic.(217.184.150.126 (talk) 10:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC))

I would have to agree, it does seem to rather underplay the magnitude of what happened. The other overlooked subject is the loss of Eastern Poland to Russia and the movement of people westward.Fetu's dad (talk) 04:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Noam Chomsky reference

According to this interview - with the person himself - there's been some controversy around 1967 with Chomsky calling for denazification of the USA. Apparently, the context was that the New York Times at the time accused mothers that wrongly accused a Museum for mismanagement of an exhibit having children shooting at Vietnamese. --94.71.121.137 (talk) 21:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Censorship

I've added a bit on the part of censorship. The link on how OMGUS dealt with denazification of ordinary art, e.g. paintings, no longer works, but is available from the internet archive here. It is by Cora Goldstein and titled "PURGES, EXCLUSIONS, AND LIMITS: ART POLICIES IN GERMANY 1933-1949" Anyone who has the time please read through it and expand on that part, it is quite fascinating. --Stor stark7 ^Speak 19:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Collective guilt section

I have added a disputed tag to this section. I find it hard to believe that the British believed in collective guilt as both Churchill and Montgomery, the two most important British figures of the war, made speeches against such views. I'm not British either. I don't have much knowledge about the USA's policies.--92.251.220.72 (talk) 15:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)