Talk:200 (South Park)

List of celebrities

Let's make a list of celebrities in this episode and then link to the episode with the celeb.

Like this:

• Sarah Jessica Parker (The Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Durpie durp (talk • contribs) 22:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Why not wait until after the episode airs? This seems to be like WP:CRYSTAL. —Terrence and Phillip 00:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

should we add Metallica as well? They got made fun of. Fighting for Justice (talk) 01:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we should add Wikipedia editors. They're a bunch of dicks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.184.234.213 (talk) 02:23, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest not making a random list of mocked celebrities. It'd be more appropriate to summarize the episode including which celebrities played important parts (Cruise, Reiner, Streisand, etc). -- TRTX ^{T / C} 02:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

The list of celebrities is very unneccessary. What TRTX suggested is a good idea. The large list is clearly failing the WP:NOT#STATS rule. ♫ Douglasr007 (talk) 03:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree with TRTX and ♫ Douglasr007 . Dr B2 (talk) 04:03, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

It's said that celebrities from Sexual Healing have no interaction with the people of South Park, but this is inaccurate as Kyle and Butter's attend Sex Addiction Therapy where most of the celebrities even Tiger are present. Suggest revising. User: mbcdadb 15 April 2010. —Preceding undated comment added 09:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC).

Great summary!

Good work whoever wrote the summary. This was what I was hoping to put together but didn't get a chance to watch the ep again to take notes. I did remove the trivia section breaking down who actually interacted with the town as its getting too much into original research. 163.231.6.85 (talk) 14:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Mr. Garrisson in two places at once

The placing of Garrison at two places at once seems obvious to me, especially as the camera cuts back & forth a number of times. Whether it's an oversight or even some sort of a joke or symbolic reference to the fictional nature of characters represented in TV in line with the postmodern themes of this episode is hard to tell.

I suppose someone with more knowledge of wikipedia's regulations than me can decide but i think it at least is worthy of discussion given it seems to be so obviously highlighted in the episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craft24 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC) (Craft24 (talk) 16:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC))

Theme vs. Cultural references

Hey all. Lots to write about with this one. So, since this episode includes so many references to past episodes, I struggled on whether to include those in the Production section or the Cultural References section. My feeling while working on this was that references to past South Park episodes and subplots should be included in the Theme section (since, as the Production section now indicates, that was indeed the theme of this show) and that other references should go into Cultural references. (For example, Tim Burton has never been mocked in a past episode, so he goes into "Cultural references". But the celebrities that have been featured in past episodes belong in "Theme".) I really believe this is the best way handle this. Thoughts on this? — Hunter Kahn 17:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

If secondary sources comment on cultural impact, cultural reception. If the producers/writers of the show comment on planning/writing/development, production. If secondary sources analyze overarching themes and impact, themes. -- Cirt (talk) 21:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Celebrities list removed

[1] = this should probably be discussed a bit. -- Cirt (talk) 18:48, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

• I've restored it. Every single item on this list is cited by no less than two sources: one for their appearance in "200", and one for their appearance in previous episodes. This isn't an unsourced trivia section where people are just adding WP:OR without the sources to back it up. The reasoning behind the removal of the list seemed to be that it was trivia, and in some cases, I'd agree. But since the very theme of this entire episode was about bringing back celebrities that have been mocked over the 14 years of this show's run, of course a general round-up of those celebrities and their past appearances in the show is going to be necessary for an article like this. As long as it's well sourced, there's a place for it in this article. — Hunter Kahn 21:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

A well-thought out rationale, and I agree with this comment. It should not be removed. Similarly, unsourced entries should not be added. -- Cirt (talk) 21:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Muhammad image

Someone should remove the Muhammad image, per the possiblity of retailation or threat by Al-Queda or any other Islamic militant groups. Does Wikipedia, risk a chance of it. I'm afraid of threats or a DOS by the group, if it happends. --70.132.205.141 (talk) 00:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.238.70.202 (talk)

[2] = this change should be discussed on the talk page, instead of simply being removed with zero discussion about it whatsoever. Comments, thoughts? -- Cirt (talk) 21:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

In fairness, it was also added (on the 15th) with no discussion. I have no moral problem with it appearing in the article. My only qualm would be rather it is really necessary for the reader's understanding, as is required by the fair use guidelines. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes. It depicts an image of crucial importance. -- Cirt (talk) 18:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the fact that Muhammad has been shown in an earlier episode before the Denmark-caricatures-incident indeed is crucial for the whole point of this current episode which discusses whether it can't show him again and what this implies.--JakobvS (talk) 19:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

• The above was my thinking as well, which is why I support the image's inclusion. Sorry that I didn't bring it up here before adding it. If I had thought it would have been an issue, I would have. — Hunter Kahn 19:53, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
• Agreed. The image is useful to the article and WP is not censored. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 21:04, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. -- Cirt (talk) 21:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I think many of you are missing the point... The question isn't whether the content itself is relevant - it clearly is. The question is whether displaying an image which didn't even appear in this episode (I think) is crucial to the reader's understanding of this episode. Personally, I don't think it is, which would mean it doesn't fall under Wikipedia's very strict fair use guidelines. To meet Wikipedia's guidelines, it has to meet a higher standard than just being "useful." (There is no doubt it meets the legal definition of fair use.) --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

However, I could be wrong - I'll ask for input of people more knowledgeable in this area. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if the OP is just trying to be clever or is legitimately worried. Either way, as it's been pointed out already, Wikipedia is not censored. To address the other issue, I think the image would be better suited for the "Super Best Friends" article. There, the information about how this portrayal played a future role in subsequent episodes can be described to a greater extent. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 06:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Agree with SoSaysChappy (talk · contribs). -- Cirt (talk) 12:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

• I think the image would be fine as "Super Best Friends", but that it isn't mean it wouldn't be appropriate here too. I think the image is crucial to a full understanding of this episode (and may prove to be for "201" as well), as it illustrates far better than words the point Matt Stone is trying to make about what has been lost as a result of the Muhammad cartoon controversies. — Hunter Kahn 13:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Current coverage is discussing and showing the image. I wouldn't be surprised if it is being put out there more now than with the original episode based on the increased backlash since the '06 shenanigans. CNN is showing the mascot costume which might be an acceptable alternative but the current image has a perfectly fine and justified FUR.Cptnono (talk) 14:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Just wanted to say that I misread a few things and should have better-worded my earlier post. If it's decided that the image is not crucial for this article, it should at least appear in the "Super Best Friends" article. I can't think of any reason how it would not be more than useful over there, but that's a discussion for that article. As for this article, I think this image helps a lot. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 22:35, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Again, I agree with SoSaysChappy (talk · contribs) -- :P -- Cirt (talk) 23:26, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Can we please remove the image. According to a recent newsport, the creators of South Park, had received death threats from a radicalIslamic group; I fear, that this might happend to Wikipedia--and it's hiearchy. I don't want to have a DOS attack on this site or someone getting harmned, if we violate a sacred religious right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rio de oro (talk • contribs) 22:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

• I restored the picture, which you removed without seeking consensus here. In fact, the consensus seems to be leaning in favor of keeping it in place. Consensus can change, so if the majority voice favor of removing it again, we can do that. Personally, my vote goes toward keeping it. I think this "threat" from Revolution Muslim is nothing but a cheap publicity stunt; this group knew a post about South Park would get a lot of play in the media, since the show is a highly visible topic and the story itself would be easy for the news shows to write. I don't think Trey and Matt are in any real risk of retaliation, and I certainly don't think Wikipedia is, especially since other articles have included actual images of the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad and Lars Vilks Muhammad cartoons, and they never resulted in any attacks. But I'm willing to hear other thoughts... — Hunter Kahn 22:45, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Hunter Kahn. Are you ignorant of the facts of this modern age, in which we live. You don't think that, Revolution Muslim would make a "threat" to the creators of South Park, but guess again on your little assumption. Try reading a newspaper, just once in your fucking life. I did this fucking Foundation, a favor. How dare you jepordize the Wikipedia Foundation, with your bullshit assertion.Rio de oro (talk) 23:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to remind users that personal attacks are completely unacceptable. Mind your language, and stick to the task at hand. 195.194.150.129 (talk) 08:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, I've reported Revolution Muslim to the FBI for making a public terroristic threat; just waiting for the FBI to make the arrest of the radical clerics now.

I herby, assert control of this article page. No person, herin after, shall edit the questionable image, without the explict consent of this author. Rio de oro (talk) 23:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I think the image is useful as it illustrates how it was acceptable to show the image in S05 (and indeed in repeats) but is now regarded as unacceptable. As for threats, The Muhammed page also has an image on it, has had for years, and afaik Wikipedia has yet to be blown up. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually the image of Muhammad does appear in the episode but was censored by Comedy Central. 76.227.77.125 (talk)Eric Ferguson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.227.77.125 (talk) 02:42, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

• Even if that were true, it's ultimately irrelevant to this discussion, because Wikipedia is not censored. — Hunter Kahn 03:16, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Michael Bay

Since two sources are needed, here's a source for Michael Bay appearing in this episode, and being mocked in Imaginationland Part 1. I know the page has been locked, but still, wanted to supply these. The first link also lists several of the Celebrities that appear in this episode, for anyone who is curious or is looking for sources to expand the list here. The Clawed One (talk) 18:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I added it, as well as a number of other celebrities that South Park Studios claims was in the episode: [3]. There are a number of celebrities listed by them that I couldn't find a source for the original episode, however. Can anyone help? These are the celebrities in question:

Barry Bonds (“Up the Down Steroid”)

Gary Condit ("Freak Strike") (note: need source for this specific episode, “Butters’ Very Own Episode” appearance is sourced)

Francis Ford Coppola (“Free Hat”, “Cancelled”)

Brian Dennehy (South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut)

John Edward (“The Biggest Douche in the Universe”)

Sylvester Stallone (“Wing”)

Eric Stoltz (“Freak Strike”)

Tina Yothers (“Pink Eye”)

Thanks. -- Viewdrix (talk) 05:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Can you use the website as a primary source? It appears to not go against WP:SELFPUB. Cptnono (talk) 13:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Death Threats

Could you please update the 200th episode 'death threats' details to include the fact that RevolutionMuslim.com posted the creators home and work addresses as well as the death veiled threats please?Twobells (talk) 18:53, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

For sure if you have a source. I'll see if I can find something too.Cptnono (talk) 19:07, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

• That info is currently included. — Hunter Kahn 21:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I didn't see home addresses. Did I just miss them?Cptnono (talk) 22:07, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

We're not going to post the address, just that it was posted. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

A fellow American, has reported the Islamic terrorists who had threaten the lives of the SP creators, to the FBI. I hope that the FBI intervenes, and prosecutors those Muslims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rio de oro (talk • contribs) 22:47, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.251.153.106, 22 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} "200" received generally mostly positive reviews.

This is redundant, please change to:

"200" received generally positive reviews

OR

"200" received mostly positive reviews

99.251.153.106 (talk) 10:18, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done -- œ^™ 10:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Bear Suit

The BBC report that in this episode the depict Muhammed in a bear suit http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8636455.stm. There isn't a reference to that here. I would think it's just a BBC mistake, but they do have a picture. Which is it? Black box and censored, or bear suit? Cos bear suit would surely be far more offensive! That's why I ask. 131.111.186.95 (talk) 11:21, 22 April 2010 (UTC)