Talk:Flag of Mexico

There are no fewer than four retellings of the Tenochtitlan eagle-snake-cactus legend sprinkled through the article. These ought to be consolidated to avoid redundancy. --75.150.147.69 (talk) 18:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

While going through this page, the earliest version I saw before I put my hands on this, I notice most was a copy and paste job from FOTW. I will try and make it original as much as I can, but I really need some help from other people who know about this. Zach ^{(Smack Back)} 21:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Can someone change the box up on the right hand side. it describes the colours as 'blue yellow and pink' not funny.85.226.205.148 18:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Taken care of. Since today is Mexican Independence Day, expect a lot of vandalism. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 18:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Similarity to the Italian flag

This article is about the flag of Mexico, and it is silly to say that the most important thing about it is its similarity to the Italian flag. This shouldn't be in the lead paragraph, it shouldn't be in there at all. It is like saying that the US flag is like the French flag but with a different pattern. This adds no pertinent info about the flag itself. Marcuse 21:16, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I was asked to put it there on a Peer Review that information, but ok. Zach ^{(Smack Back)} 21:19, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

• I just saw the peer review page, they really say that it is NOT like the Italian flag. I think its sort of silly to include that. Upon reading that though there was a good point made that the Standard of the Virgen de Guadalupe carried by Hidalgo is usually considered as the "first" Mexican flag. I can add a paragraph about that. Marcuse 21:23, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Cool, thanks. Zach ^{(Smack Back)} 21:34, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Other variants

Mexican flags

I was recently in the Museum of History in Monterrey, Mexico, and I took this picture of a number of the flags of Mexico. It seems like these were used in various battles and the like, and thus aren't that terribly important overall, but they should probably be covered at least to some extent. --Spangineer^es (háblame) 21:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Nice photo. What I might do is just include the photo and mention somewhere that various battle flags in the past contained the green/white/red tricolor with a drawing of the eagle in the center. Zach ^{(Smack Back) Fair use policy} 21:37, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Army of the Three Guarantees

I created a stub article about the Army of the Three Guarantees to eliminate all the red links. Marcuse 03:37, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Flag of the Three Guarantees

Could we replace the erroneous image of the Bandera Trigarante with the actual one? [1] I noticed that the creator has grnated permission to use his other images, how do we get permission to use this one? Marcuse 04:03, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I will ask this him again once he comes on MSN. While it good that he will let us use his images, I believe we should be able to use images that are not created by him, so to make it appear that not only we are creative, but also show that we are not just leechers. I, however, made a note about that flag being incorrect in about three places. Zach ^{(Smack Back) Fair use policy} 04:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Bandera monumental en Monterrey

The bandera monumental in the city of Monterrey is the biggest in the country. In fact the main goal of the construction of this flag was to beat in height and mesurements all the other banderas monumentales in Mexico. Here is an article from the Secretariat of Interior where they mention the mesurments.

• http://www.gobernacion.gob.mx/templetas/boletin.php?id=3684

I didn't get a source because I know this since I am from the city. But if you need a source I will paste all the links I can.

AlexCovarrubias 04:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it will still be good to paste in a source. We should also stick that information at the Banderas monumentales article too. Zach ^{(Smack Back) Fair use policy} 05:08, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Nopal

I wanted to add that the cactus atop which the eagle is perched is a nopal, but the wikipedia article on that cactus has contradictory info. The nopal is important in the cuisine of Mexico, and as I recall, figures into the legend. It is also used as an ethnic signifier in Mexican and Chicano art, so I think it bears mentioning. Can anyone help with this?--Rockero420 18:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I just checked out the nopal article. What contradictory information are you reffering to? Marcuse 22:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Please check nopal's talkpage.--Rockero420 00:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Feature article but incorrect

The article says that there have been four flags, the Second National Flag being used from 1823-1864 & 1867-1968. This is wrong. After the Mexican Revolution the Eagle was changed to what it is now, but the colors were different. The 1968 change only modified the colors and other minute details to make the flag brighter for the Olympic Games; however the eagle was already positioned as it is was in 1968. To see a comprehensive description of the history of the Mexican Flag go to this link. --J.Alonso 04:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I am looking at the link you gave me, and I saw the connection about the flag change and the Olympics. But, as for the issue about the colors being changed, I am looking at it, and I do not see the colors changing at all. The ratios and the arms design has changed over time, but the coat of arms that we see and use today have not been used, according to FOTW, until 1968. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire) Fair use policy} 04:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Compare [2] with [3] and finally with today's flag: [4]. I do not know why the first one says 1823, given the fact that the 1823 flag was this one: [5]. I will try to look for more sources to verify FOTW information. --J.Alonso 01:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC) Ohh, by the way, when I mentioned the change in colors, I didn't mean the green-white-red colors, but the colors of the coat of arms: the eagle is brigther, and there are small changes in its position and in the way the snake looks. As far as I remember, the president intended to make the flag (i.e. the coat of arms at the center) brighter for the Olympic Games.

At home I have some coins from the '20s where the arms doesn't look much like the arms used today. Since the revolution there have been four very unspecific decrees on what the arms should look like (1916, 1934, 1968 and 1984). All of them are prescriptive on the position of the eagle and decoration sorrounding it and point to some design not described on the law (but agreed upon by the branches of government) as the "official" design. Even the text of the 1984 law doesn't define any colours, and is not even a proper blazon. So as far as official declarations of what the national flag is, we have only the four described in the article. The history of the arms is much more complex and we have a separate article for that. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 01:56, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Wierd, I would have to read the 1968 law, since I had read some book or article saying that it did specify some colors. Even if there have been only 4 official declarations of the national flag, as described in the article, from reading it, I might have concluded that the eagle was positioned with its wings wide open until 1968, which is not true. The eagle had been changed to its current position at least since the 1930s. If "officialty" is the question here, at least the article should specify that the eagle was changed to its current position since the beginning of the 20th century, even if the variant wasn't declared "official" by law. I agree, there is an article for the coat of arms, but if the coat of arms is part of the flag, and not in a small little unnoticeable corner, but at the center, and being probably the most important feature of the flag, then any changes made to it should be mentioned in this article as well.--J.Alonso 06:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

this page didn't help me one bit.

I think that you sould put more about what the colors mean then just saying what the colors are.

68.217.14.188Abilene Ramirez

Be bold, edit, and give your sources! Chip Unicorn 19:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

We have that section already Abilene, Flag_of_Mexico#Meaning_of_the_colors. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 19:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Flag colors

The first paragraph under history says:

... Although it was never adopted as an official flag, many historians consider the first Mexican flag to be the Standard of the Virgin of Guadalupe .... The first use of the actual colors—green, white and red—was in the flag of the unified Army of the Three Guarantees (pictured above) after independence from Spain was won.

The Guadalupe image itself bears the three colors, in the wings of the angel. What is the connection between the colors on the image and the flag colors? A comment is required on this. The similarity could hardly be coincidence. (If one did claim coincidence, the claim would need defending.) Jm546 01:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

That is a connection that I do not know of, and from what I seen, I did not see any connections at all. If so, it is not a well documented connection at all, so I would have probably no sources to back that up. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

MORE PHOTOS

More photos in the mexican edition --201.141.33.139 05:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Link to here and not Día de la Bandera?

Why does the On this day link for Flag Day link here and not to Día de la Bandera? Giamgiam (talk) 20:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

common mistakes of construction

The section about common mistakes of construction said that the Italian flag with an aspect of 2:3 is more rectangular than the Mexican flag (aspect of 4:7). This seems wrong in two ways. First, both flags actually are rectangles in an absolute sense. Second, by rectangular the contributor probably meant more elongated and less squarish, but actually that applies to the Mexican flag not the Italian...so I have changed the wording.

Anyway, the section as a whole seems a little odd in that it considers the Mexican flag to be regularly constructed from the Italian flag as a base. There are obvious similarities between the two flags, but I think there should be some reference(s) to when/where people are actually making Mexican flags out of Italian flags.Dwr12 (talk) 00:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Reference

The Monumental Flag in Monterrey isn't the biggest. Check the article in spanish. 333 (talk) 04:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

20 Minutes Lists: Unethical Votes -> Invalid Source

By simply going and checking out the website, anybody can notice that the information being "listed" is completely biased by the nationalistic feelings of the people voting. Moreover, the list is further biased to people of the Spanish language, hence further invalidating such a claim as the "most beautiful flag in the world" (as the "world" has not voted). Basically, such a claim is a very delicate subject that will always have biased information. That's not to say that the newspaper 20 Minutes is not an important newspaper of Spain, but the lists are not what an encyclopedia should accept. For example, anybody is allowed to create an account and create as many lists as they want. Furthermore, the voting system is awkward as it allows a voter to give "5 points" to their option and give no points to the other options listed; and people can apparently vote as many times as they want as they don't have to register an account in order to vote. If Wikipedia expects to keep going up on its validaty, it should not accepted sources such as this one.--MarshalN20 (talk) 00:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

About the deletion: Whatever your opinion is about the source, you must follow Wikipedia's procedures. You first should discuss and express your concern about the source, and then if the result of the discussion is such, proceed to deletion. I'm adding back the information until this discussion is settled. You should show good-faith. AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 00:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...you still haven't said anything validating your point. If you do not give a reasonable argument for the source in the next 24 hours, I will have to once again delete the unethical source. Added that no "good-faith" can be given to a source that has biased listings. If you really wish to effectively contribute to Wikipedia, you should opt to picking truly valid sources. Such a thing is one of the things Wikipedia always seeks, therefore you should show good-judgement on what you use as sources.--MarshalN20 (talk) 00:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Due to the lack of a justified reason favoring this information and as seen in the Wikipedia article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Questionable_sources . The source of this claim of the Mexican flag being "the most beautiful in the world" is completely questionable and the idea is what Wikipedia considers an Exceptional Claim. Wikipedia summarizes its stance on this kind of proposals with the phrase (which the link explains even further) "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources." Therefore, please do not include this claim again unless more reliable and numerous sources are used to validate the idea. This opinion is meant to protect the Flag of Mexico's status as a Featured Article.--MarshalN20 (talk) 23:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

PLEASE REMOVE EX-PRESIDET FOX FROM THE ARTICLE

PLEASE REMOVE THE PICTURE OF EX-PRESIDENT VICENTE FOX FROM THE ARTICLE IS A SHAME TO SEE THAT GUY THERE. BESIDE IN MEXICALI, BAJA CALIFORNIA IS ANOTHER MONUMENTAL FLAG.

SINCERELLY MARIA TORRRES, MEXICALI, BAJA CALIFORNIA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.143.197.36 (talk) 17:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Why? Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 22:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Shameful is to read your words.--TownDown^{How's going?} 04:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

President Fox is only there because he is demonstrating the civil salute. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 04:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Mexico's best president to date.

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