Talk:2010

Manuel Noriega

Does it really matter that he was extradited? His importance ended over two decades ago. --Kuzwa (talk) 04:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, I even considered removing the entry but then forgot all about it! DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Oil Leak

Should we write about the oil leak here?

Zelderu Maryoto (talk) 18:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Are you talking about the oil leak off the US coast? I ask because oil spills are sadly all too common. This spill is not, (yet), the biggest spill either.

So I don't think we should include that entry here, maybe 2010 in the United States. FFMG (talk) 18:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. This is a very large event. Please include it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.119.111 (talk • contribs) 04:20,24 May 2010 (UTC)

How is it a 'large event', international and a first? I am still not sure if it is the largest spill ever, (it could be by now). FFMG (talk) 05:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Although it is not the largest oil spill in history (and probably won't get there), it is now widely considered to be larger that the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill and has become the largest spill in US history. It is an environmental disaster which is also affecting business along the Gulf coast, and is one which is connected to BP, arguably one of the largest corporations in the world. As for its...internationality, the slick is now in danger of being swept into ocean currents which have the potential to carry it into the territory of other countries. Cuba has already commented on this possibility, saying they fear for the ecological preservation of their coasts. As a first, well, you got me there, although possibly that this is the first oil spill over a minimum of 25,000 tonnes (and that's the low estimate) since 2003.

So I think this is worthy of mention. SheaF91 (talk) 22:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, this event has been mentioned on at least the French, German, Italian, Dutch, Portuguese, Polish and Russian versions of this page; it seems like that is an indicator that this event has enough importance in the eyes of the international community. SheaF91 (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Though it isn't by any means the largest, it is considered to be the worst environmental disaster in US history. See this article. Additionally, 11 people were killed, which, if we go off tradition on this page, is notable enough by itself. I say include. If not now, at least when it's over. Kevinbrogers (talk) 04:32, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Being the "worst environemental disaster in US history" does not make it internationally notable, it makes it notable in the US. And what "tradition" are you referring to? 11 deaths is not a significant number, in international terms, for any accident and I can't think of one with that few deaths that has been included in a recent year article. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 05:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Is this disaster not mentioned regulary on the news in New Zeeland? At least in north Europe, where I live, it seems that all the newschannels and papers update about the oil-spill situation almost every day. There is also a risk that this leek may become an international disaster if the situation were to continue for an extended period of time before the leek is sealed. Hence, the absence of even a single line in wiki 2010 appears strange to me.RBM 72 (talk) 12:32, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Plenty of international stuff gets mentioned on New Zealand's news; it doesn't make it notable from this article's perspective. The oil spill has been mentioned a lot in the UK, too: it still doesn't make it internationally relevant. I'd certainly agree that if this became an international disaster then we should reconsider. TFOWR^{idle vapourings of a mind diseased} 12:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

What I mean by "tradition" is, it seems like many disasters resulting in deaths are included on this list. Additionally, there are various items included on this list that seem to have no international significance, such as the May 12 and May 22 plane crashes. I believe we should add it, as it has the potential to become a major disaster for both North and South America. Tourist towns in these areas have been devastated, causing many worldwide to be affected. The environmental and economic impact it could have is astronomical. If we don't add it today, I believe that once this situation spreads a bit more, it should most definitely be added, just as the user above me stated. But, as the user above him stated, it's strange that an extremely important event, even if only to a few countries, doesn't even get a single line, when these other events that only affect one or two countries are mentioned (such as the plane crashes or an art theft).Kevinbrogers (talk) 15:06, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

What I'm taking issue with is the WP:CRYSTAL aspect. Yes, this does have the potential to become notable. No, it shouldn't be added before it does. I agree that adding this in the future is an option, but not as it currently stands. TFOWR^{idle vapourings of a mind diseased} 15:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that sounds good. Here's my reasoning: The Gulf of Mexico does not only border the U.S., but also Mexico, Belize, and Cuba. All of these locations have the possibility of being affected. Additionally, how much of the oil would have been exported, and how much have other countries lost due to this leak? I'm honestly not sure if there was any, but if there was, that needs to be taken into consideration.Kevinbrogers (talk) 15:18, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

...and when the possibility becomes fact, then it's not just one country affected. Until then, though, I'm still opposed. TFOWR^{idle vapourings of a mind diseased} 15:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

L'homme qui marche

Sorry to tell you but this is no longer the most expensive work ever sold at auction. Nude, Green Leaves and Bust surpassed it today by about 1.6 million. --Kuzwa (talk) 22:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

2010 Philippine Election

Since this article is locked, kindly include the 2010 election in the Philippines which will be held tomorrow. 112.201.254.9 (talk) 00:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

That's one of the reasons it's locked. WP:RY suggests that, unless this is the first election in the Philippines, or historic for some other reason, it shouldn't be listed here; only in 2010 in the Philippines and Electoral calendar 2010. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Unless of course it is the US election, for some weird reasoning that I have yet to understand, that country can have its, very predictable, election listed, (as well as the result and the inauguration). FFMG (talk) 08:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I tried to remove US elections from 2016 and 2020, and have been reverted. Oh, well. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I tried a while ago to understand the logic with such blatant double standards.

Not only is the election listed, but the inauguration is as well, some of the reasons given at the time were comical at best. If you dare add any other country, (Russia, France, UK), then it is removed in a flash.

I've been against the inclusion of the US election and inauguration from the start unfortunately too many users seem to think that because those events are in the US they should be treated differently from the rest of the world. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 11:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Taking the recent UK elections as an example, the first hung parliament since 1974, even that is not as important as the US president taking a stroll down the street every 4 years. FFMG (talk) 09:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I'd probably remove every American election and inauguration except for Obama's, or I would at least set Obama's as the standard--e.g., exclude unless international notability can be demonstrated by a WP article (perhaps with some additional qualifications) about the international notability of the event. Obama, by the way, has at least four such articles: International reaction to the United States presidential election, 2008; International media reaction to Barack Obama's 2008 election; International opinion polling for the United States presidential election, 2008; and (for good measure) Canada and the 2008 United States presidential election. But without something like that, US elections and inaugurations probably do not belong in these articles. Even as a politically active American, I find most US elections boringly predictable (e.g., when only two political parties, each four years, have any chance of winning), and I certainly see nothing inherently "includable" about them for these articles. Cosmic Latte (talk) 15:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

However, most people reading about current events of a year in English (as opposed to another language) would be from the United States, and would find the information appropriately included. People in other countries would likely read the page written and editted in their own countries language, which may or may not include the election. SheaF91 (talk) 17:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

It should be listed in 2010 in the Philippines. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Afriqiyah Airways Flight 771

I see it has been added; however, is there enough international significance to keep it? ttonyb (talk) 15:58, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Comment: the BBC are reporting that there were nine nationalities aboard, including "dozens" of Dutch citizens and "at least one British national". So there's a European as well as an African perspective; whether that makes it suitable or not I don't have a view on. It does seem to be, sadly, one of those things that happen fairly frequently. Perhaps this crash is more internationally notable because there was a survivor (a Dutch child)? TFOWR^{This flag once was red} 16:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

My feeling is that an non-domestic plane crash with over 100 deaths AND multiple nationalities should qualify for inclusion. If there were more than half a dozen such events every year then I would be less inclined to include ones such as this one. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 21:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Inclusion of 2010 Commonwealth Games in "October events"

117.254.152.30 (talk) 07:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I would like to propose adding the start of 2010 Commonwealth Games on October 3rd 2010.

There was a prior discussion of this here. As per WP:Recent years the only sporting events considered to be of sufficient global notablity for inclusion in recent Year articles are the Olympic Games and Football World Cup. Other sporting events can be included in 2010 in sports. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 22:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Deaths

I don't understand why we can't list Erica Blasbergs death on May 9th under 2010 deaths. She was a famous golfer. Jdcrackers (talk) 11:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Erica Blasberg does not have any non-english articles, maybe she should be included in 2010 in the United States rather. FFMG (talk) 12:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

As I explained on your talk page, to be included in this article she needs to be internationally notable, which she isn't as evidenced by the lack of non-English wiki articles on her, and certainly not before her death except in golf circles which is why she should be in 2010 in sports. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 12:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I am re instating Ms. Blasberg into the 2010 deaths...she won several awards an was an avid tennis pro. it's only fair to include her when we can include others. Sometimes I feel women on here are discriminated againstJdcrackers (talk) 03:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

The reasons why she is excluded have been explained both heree and on your talk page. She is simply and clearly not notable enough. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:09, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

I do not understand why you post certain deaths of people that have no importance. Erica Blasberg won many awards and done many charitable things for our community! Fine, if you don't want her on there then you have her own your conscience not me! I think it is sad that someone as popular as Ms. Blasberg and you can not even put her death on May 9th! Your Call. I will find another way to get her on here! I just hope you can explain your actions for the other ones and I will find the ones and delete them too!Jdcrackers (talk) 03:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

The criteria at WP:RY have been agreed upon by consensus of numersous editors so that only the most notable deaths are included in recent year articles. Persons who do not meet this criteria can be included in the relevant country or sub-topic article. Attempting to add someone who not only does not meet the minimum criteria (by some margin) but whose inclusion has been discussed here with the consensus that she is not notable enough would be tantamount to vandalism. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:39, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know Erica Blasberg, but her own article does not seem to mention any awards or charities, maybe those need to be added. Her article was created a almost 5 years ago, and in that time it was not translated into any other languages, (not even Spanish).

There is no doubt that she was known/popular on the Futures Tour, but I don't think she was that well known outside the US golfing circles, (or maybe only the LPGA). FFMG (talk) 06:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Air India Express Flight 812

Maybe add the India Air Crash to this year's events? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.229.135 (talk) 02:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Unlikely unless the death toll exceeds 100. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 05:37, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

...which it has, so I guess it should be added unless there are further objections. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 07:01, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I believe that we need to reach a consensus on the notability on air disasters. I personally feel that 100+ is a significant loss of life and thus should be included. --AycliffeAngel (talk) 20:01, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I have at several times tried to start a discussion on minimum numbers for disasters with no success. 100+ would seem sensible (with allowances for international/domestic and exceptions such as the Polish President's plane crash). DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 21:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree. 100+ should be a benchmark as it were, but we must also look at international significnce, such as the example you mentioned and possibly other notable factors, i.e a single survivor or something along them lines. --AycliffeAngel (talk) 22:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Bangkok Central World destroy

Probably be we need to add in this year's events. Central World is the second largest shopping complex in Southeast Asia. On May 19, Thailand political red-shirt protesters set fire and destroyed numerous of notable building in Bangkok, including Central World, and a Stock Exchange, and some banks. Joe2008 (talk) 13:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

It appears to be a local event lacking international significance. ttonyb (talk) 15:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, this news has been widely reported in the world. It has a strong evidence to support the news as a significant international events in this year. The following shows Some of the news links:

1. BBC: Clashes, fires and fears for future in Bangkok.
2. CNN: Thailand extends curfew in capital, provinces
3. CNN: Bangkok residents: This is a 'mini-civil war'
4. Daily Mirror: Central World on fire
5. Asia Times Online: Thailand going up in smoke.
6. CnnGo Central Bangkok shuts down as violence continues.

Joe2008 (talk) 17:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Regardless of where it is reported, this appears to be a local event lacking international significance. ttonyb (talk) 17:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Any objective rationale to support (the event appears to be a local event) ? Joe2008 (talk) 02:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

There seems to be plenty, the question that should be posed is really, "Is there any objective rationale to support that the event has international significance?" All it would take is one valid example to refute the local event destination. ttonyb (talk) 02:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Jamaican Gang war.

Should there be a post about the Jamaican gang war that took place today? At least 30 people have been killed, 26 civilians and 4 police. It was a raid on a drug lord's mansion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JJGeneral1 (talk • contribs) 18:31, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

It's not really appropriate for the general article about 2010. Is there an article about the raid? If so, you could suggest it for "In the news", but to be honest I suspect it's not international enough - it's a big national issue, sure, but doesn't really have much importance outside Jamaica (though I will note that it made the BBC news here in Britain). TFOWR^propaganda 18:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

It's all over the U.S. here on CNN and the major news networks, this is why I asked. Apparently it's making international headlines. JJGeneral1 (talk) 19:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh definitely - it's been on the news in the UK too. But it's still a national issue, even if it's being reported internationally. TFOWR^propaganda 19:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Regardless of where it is reported, this also appears to be a local event lacking international significance. ttonyb (talk) 21:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.227.251.64, 29 May 2010

Art Linkletter, Canadian born Radio and TV personality, died on May 26, 2010. This is missing from the lists of deaths for May 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Linkletter 71.227.251.64 (talk) 19:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Linkletter does not meet the inclusion criteria in WP:RY. ttonyb (talk) 19:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Lack of Events

I realize that the editors are seeking to avoid putting every single event in this area, but are the restrictions are a bit too extreme? I mean is the burning of a few tombs in Uganda really the most important worldwide event to happen in March? Also, the lack of mention of the oil spill is an issue. It's the largest leak in US history and effects millions of people. Once again I understand the desire to avoid unnecessary tidbits, but current restrictions are resulting in a very anemic article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.204.229 (talk) 17:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

If you can find international events for March then by all mean lets add them, but we are not going to add something for the sake of 'padding' the article.

As for the oil leak, as you pointed out, it is a US event, and it affects millions of Americans, as such it is listed in the 2010 in the United States, not here. FFMG (talk) 13:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

I would point you to the comment I posted about the oil leak in its dedicated section, for reasons as to why to include it. SheaF91 (talk) 18:41, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

English wiki is not obliged to add events simply because other language wikis have added them. Those wikis may not have a guideline such as WP:RY because they do not have so many non-notable events added to Year pages. If something is not notable enough to be included in a month which has many events then why should it be included in a month lacking events? The requirement is that it is notable for the Year not for the month. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 20:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Isreali ship attack and Horst Koehler

I think that the attack on the aid ship by the Isreali army is of enough significance to be included. Although it is a local event, it has sparked mass protests across the globe - thus making it an internationally significant event. Also the resignation of Horst Koehler, I believe is notable as it is the resignation of a head of state, thus securing notablility as it did with the Polish President. --AycliffeAngel (talk) 16:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The UN Security Council is now holding an emergency meeting regarding the Isreali ship crisis - this must show international significance.