Talk:WordPress

Similar Favicons

Did you notice how Wikipedia and Wordpress's favicons are similar ? :D

haha, good catch! Alxt 03:21, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Yea but WordPress's is better and that really isn't improtant The drunken guy (talk) 09:05, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Link to Wordpress.com/FreeCharity.org.uk

I'm not sure why my link to FreeCharity.org.uk was deleted, can it be explained please. (Added by 212.219.244.36 on June 2, 2006)

I didn't remove it personally, but I can understand it being removed. Thousands of websites use WordPress, we can't list them all. As for WordPress.com being listed -- despite the fact that it's a for-profit service and nonbeneficial to the WordPress project, it has a perceived closeness with WordPress that other sites lack. -Sean Hayford O'Leary 06:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

b2 merge

I would like to merge b2\cafelog with this article. The b2 article is a stub, and the project is dead: it is only significant in its relation to WordPress. I'd like to move the contents of that article into the History section of the WordPress article or create a new b2 section. Sean Hayford O'Leary 21:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

As no objections were raisesd, I've merged the articles. Sean Hayford O'Leary 21:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

BBpress

the same author has released a free forum http://bbpress.org/download/ 83.176.11.245 22:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I just created the bbPress article. If someone wants to fix any mistakes I made please go ahead :) --FusionOpz (talk) 18:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

it was redirected to Automattic because it is not notable to have its own article. 16x9 (talk) 19:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

WordPress and Wordpress MU

The article on WordPress MU is very short and the code bases are 95% the same, I don't see why we need two articles. 66.226.105.98 04:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I somewhat agree. Let's give it a week or two and see if we can't build on each of them, as they are two different applications. Havok (T/C/e/c) 09:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Do not merge (sorry for the bolding, just noting as my official-ish vote) WordPress and MU, yes, are very similar under-the-hood, but their uses are pretty dramatically different. I say keep 'em separate. Sean Hayford O'Leary 01:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't merge. I agree with Hayfordoleary. Sljaxon 00:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge! It's like saying a Volvo 740 GLE and a Volvo 740 GLE Turbo need separate articles. The MU is just a slightly altered codebase and pretty much does the same thing as Wordpress. Etcher 23:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge! It's the same program with only a few changes. Plus, most of what is written in the Wordpress article is applicable to Wordpress Mu. For example, the history of Wordpress also just happens to be the history of Mu, as Mu is essentially an implementation of Wordpress. Dturnq 07:02, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. Now all that's needed is a from-scratch rewrite of this article to bring it up to quality. Chris Cunningham 09:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

How could you merge when most of the editors above was against it...? Havok (T/C/e/c) 10:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Two for and two against, by my quick count. It can be split again if and when either article improves enough to warrant it. Chris Cunningham 11:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I still think I want to fight this decision WPMU has different purpose then WP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Designdroide (talk • contribs) 04:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

I also vote for a separate article for Wordpress MU, as both systems are very different in many ways, from the installation to the back-end administration and security, to the front-end. Just to give an example, Wordpress themes that are compatible with Wordpress single site, are not necessarily compatible with MU. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.138.33.128 (talk) 03:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

WordPress and WP MU are merging as of Version 3.0. If they merge, there will no longer be a WP MU, just WP. Maybe after the 3.0 release? Gravedig2 (talk) 17:49, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

List of Plugins

I think it would be beneficial if someone in the know would create a list of plugins and their usefulness. French wikipedia already has something started here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_plugins_pour_WordPress I just don't know enough to make one though i'd love to learn from it :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eth4n (talk • contribs) 02:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• Maybe someone could make a "List of WordPress Plugins" page on here then too or maybe a small section on this page. The drunken guy (talk) 09:02, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

What happened?

why was WPMU merged with WP after a strong decision to keep them separate?user:Designdroide

• There were 2 for and 2 against. I wouldn't exactly characterize that as a "strong decision to keep them separate". - Etcher 02:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

bogus features

   * Integrated link management

every feature should be integrated. otherwise it wouldn't be a feature.

   * Typographic filters for proper formatting and styling of text

give me an example of a non-typographic filter. please. and the whole "Generates standards-compliant XML, XHTML, and CSS" makes this feature redundant.

   * Extensible plugin support

if wordpresses plugins are extensible, what does a non-extensible plugin system look like?

you may get bonus points in school for adding pointless adjectives to nouns, but on wikipedia, it only serves to distract. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 38.100.22.127 (talk • contribs) 23:06, 17 March 2007. It looks like at least the plugin part has been changed to "rich plugin architecture" Kevin chen2003 (talk) 02:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Developers list

Ia m not sure Alex King is still active on developing wordpress. I get that form AlexKing.org. [[User:Designdroide|Design[[user_talk:Designdroide|droide]]]] 03:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Beyond a blog publishing system

I'm removing this section because it contributes nothing useful. If you want to revert, please edit the section heavily before doing so, or, better yet, just incorporate it into the current article.

Brrk.3001 23:15, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Question: Appropriateness?

As a new WikiPedia user (yet to have an account) and a WordPress developer, I've written several tutorials on customizing WordPress and work to actively educate people on the benefits of using WordPress not only as a blogging platform but as a CMS. After reading some of the discussion and the article itself, I think my opinions would be considered (and rightly so) quite biased :).

With that said and realizing the goal of objectivity that WikiPedia promotes, I'm interested in contributing to this article, whether or not I get any credit for it.

So, my question is in regard to appropriateness. What contributions would be considered valuable to the quality of this article from an active developer's perspective?

Here are a few things that I would consider useful information to users who would check this WikiPedia entry but, in my inexperience, may not be able to categorize or describe appropriately:

- Using WordPress for your own projects - There is a wealth of WordPress user generated content on how to customize WordPress for their own needs. Perhaps starting by referencing the WordPress Codex where the majority of its features have been documented?

- Examples of Corporate Adoption (History of WordPress) - Rather than spending time referencing the countless commercial sites that use WordPress, how about a brief history of it's use on a much larger corporate level? Perhaps references to articles citing businesses such as the New York Times, etc.

Looking forward to any and all suggestions,

4.224.237.160 12:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

There's a wealth of information out there on how to develop good strategies for Magic: The Gathering. That information, however, would be inappropriate for wikipedia as would the information you're proposing be added. Please don't take this the wrong way, but wikipedia.org isn't nor should strive to be a "how-to" manual. Misterdiscreet 21:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Magic: The Gathering is a bad example. There's apparently a whole category dedicated to Strategy. I'd AfD it but I've done enough AfD's for today.

I still think it's a bad idea. It'll only encourage developers of completely non-notable add-ons to spam their product, which wikipedia.org doesn't need. Misterdiscreet 21:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:WordPress logo.png

Image:WordPress logo.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 11:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Choosing Wordpress.COM versus installing Wordpress via Fantastico

I think there's a bigger context with Wordpress, which is barrier to entry/use. Starting up on blogging can be tough, from a content perspective, let alone a technology perspective.

If anyone would like to clean up some writing that I've blogged, they're welcome (i.e. I grant a license) to rewrite The why and how of establishing your web persona (that suggests steps around getting onto wordpress.COM), as well as Installing and customizing Wordpress on your domain where I describe installing on Fantastico, choosing and configuring a theme, and installing plugins.

Daviding 15:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, what does this have to do with editing the article? Chris Cunningham 16:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not that familiar with content protocols on Wikipedia for the entry Wordpress, here. If someone is reading Wordpress on Wikipedia, I presume that they might be considering blogging for the first time. It's a lot different to be installing Wordpress on a server, and starting up on Wordpress.com where there are already pre-selected themes. This may be deeper than is appropriate on Wikipedia. Daviding 15:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Sponsored themes

User:86.144.108.254 removed the following statement about sponsored themes, claiming that it was biased:

Although this move was criticised by designers of sponsored themes, it was widely applauded by WordPress users, most of whom consider such themes to be spam.

I am putting it back for two reasons: (a) there is nothing biased about it (it gives both sides of the argument), and (b) it is necessary to give some context to the section. I will also be adding a reference. Before anyone else decides to remove it again, please give a clear reason why you think the statement is biased and how it can be improved rather than deleted if possible. — jammycakes ^(t)_(c) 12:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It is quite biased because all the articles linked to only represent one side of the argument. Whilst additional commentary within the comments on the articles represents other views, blog comment systems are not an idea avenue. Might I suggest as an example one of my articles on Wordpress Sponsored thtmes represents an alternative perspective. http://andybeard.eu/2007/07/wordpress-sponsored-themes-how-to-game-the-system.html --AndrzejBroda 00:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I've added your reference. I would disagree that the statement is biased though - it just needed the extra citation. — jammycakes ^(t)_(c) 08:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC) Oh, and the blogs I linked to in the first place aren't just random blogs, they are by prominent members of the WordPress community -- that is, prominent as in the blogs that appear in the news feed in your WordPress dashboard. — jammycakes ^(t)_(c) 08:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Now that I have had a chance to re-read your article, it doesn't seem to be an appropriate reference, since it is more a set of instructions on how to game the system rather than a criticism of the decision itself, so if you please, I shall remove it again. I still strongly disagree that the statement is biased in any way: it merely reports the general community reaction to the decisions, which was covered more than adequately by the last reference (the round-up of the discussion by Lorelle van Fossen, who is fairly notable in the WordPress community). Some of the articles that she links to are actually in favour of sponsored themes, so sorry, your statement that it only represents one side of the argument is simply wrong. The other two links are merely references to the original decisions by the parties concerned (Mark Ghosh and Matt Mullenweg).

I should also like to caution other editors to be aware of potential conflicts of interest in discussing this matter. Matt Mullenweg reported that some sponsored theme designers were resorting to sockpuppetry on the WordPress forums to attempt to vote down the proposal. [2] — jammycakes ^(t)_(c) 13:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia, not an extension of the Wordpress console. My content highlights the fact that the rules for inclusion in the theme directory are vague, misleading and not universally applied.

If you feel that my content is not suitable, then you should at least go to Lorelle's post, explore all the references that she has made, and link directly to a least one of those references.

My own article was written in hindsight.

Only 318 voted on the poll you referenced, and no anonymous voting was possible, despite the fact that the wishes of the Wordpress founders were made very clear within the Wordpress console at the time. With millions of Wordpress users, 318 votes does not represent a majority opinion and could be looked on as the result of official propaganda.

I would like to caution other editors that whilst there were accusations of sock puppetry that might have occurred, this was also a "vote" where all candidates did not have an equal avenue to express their opinion.

I should point out I have currently not released any Wordpress Themes myself, my observations are based upon how policies have been implemented, not how they were announced.

My article could be improved by highlighting specific popular themes that are still on the Wordpress Themes Viewer, but as I highlighed in my article, that would not benefit the Wordpress community, just as many of the themes which have been removed were actually of exceptional quality.AndrzejBroda 19:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

There's no problem with your article per se -- it's just that first time round I only skimmed through it and it was only later when I read it properly that I realised that I had included it as a citation for something that it doesn't actually say. I could go through your other points and respond to them all, but that would be getting off topic, so I will stick to the question at hand: whether the statement in the article is biased or inaccurate, and in that respect I still think that it is a reasonably accurate distillation of the response, backed up by appropriate and reliable sources. The reason I chose Lorelle's post was that it provided a number of links to both sides of the argument (one of the links was even to an article on The Blog Herald saying that sponsored themes are a pretty good business model), presented the best distillation of the discussion that I could find, and refrained from passing any judgment on the issue.

If you think I've worded it inaccurately, or got my facts wrong, or that the statement needs to be expanded on, then by all means go ahead, but remember to cite your sources. — jammycakes ^(t)_(c) 20:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

A screenshot of the administrator interface of WordPress 2.2?

Someone please do this for WP. :)

Wikipedian 12:23, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

holiday logo

There has been couple of holiday logos recently. One is On Indian national day and another few is on Malaysian national day. Should we include them as they will probably repeat in near future? dimitri 15:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Licence

Could someone add the licence under which it is released (GPL). I feel this is a small oversight, but important. 82.47.0.158 00:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Features list

It states / implies that collection of visitor data and the blocking of IP's are native features of WordPress whereas in fact they are not. Plugins would be used for this. I would suggest those 2 items be removed as they are common to all CMS. --Subnoto (talk) 16:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Business /Model

Forgive my ignorance, please, I came to this article because I was hoping to cut through some of the crap. How does WordPress make money? Does it? Shouldn't this be spelled out?Genesiswinter (talk) 03:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• WordPress.org is an open-source project, so it doesn't (shouldn't) "make money" in the same sense that the paid versions of (say) Movable Type or ExpressionEngine do. However, it could certainly raise money through donations (ala Wikipedia) if it became necessary (although such a practice would likely be controversial in the WordPress/blogging community). It is also supported by Automattic, which in turn is (per the Automattic Wikipedia article and two sources cited there) supported by VC funding, as well as (presumably) any profits that may result from the services Automattic provides (i.e. primarily WordPress.com). 65.3.163.188 (talk) 02:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• • It make money by extremly occasionaly advertising on your site, and then you pay for more extra such as a space upgrade, no occasional ads, a domain, css editor, etc. The drunken guy (talk) 09:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Pro-Drupal essay

I've removed following pro-Drupal (sorry Drupal users, this men isn't doing good PR for your software and community) part of article twice, due to POV and general statements:

Wordpress is not great for creating an online business, a full featured website or multiple blogs with multiple authors. You could easily outgrow it if your needs grow beyond what WordPress can do. Extendable, but there are limitations. Blogging is not the answer to everything for everyone. There are many advantages to making your entire website a blog, but there are some downsides to it, too. Creating an online business, a full featured website or multiple blogs with multiple authors using Wordpress can be quite challenging but if you are building a straight on single person or group blog, Wordpress is the way to go.

Let's look at these statements:

• Wordpress is not great for creating an online business, a full featured website or multiple blogs with multiple authors.

WordPress is used by business quite often, anyone can read more about it at WordPress Showcase. It seems that all those people don't care about POV statements posted above. There are thousands of full featured websites too with multiple authors and all this stuff is based on WordPress. It means that this statement is just untrue.

• You could easily outgrow it if your needs grow beyond what WordPress can do.

This statement is so general, it can be used virtually for any type of software, including WordPress, Drupal, TextPattern, MovableType, Mambo, Joomla and anything you like.

• Extendable, but there are limitations.

One general statement and nothing more. No proofs, no details. As far as we can see WordPress is easy to modify and extend. Another look on WordPress forums and WordPress Showcase shows quite clearly what talented people can do with WordPress.

• Blogging is not the answer to everything for everyone.

Next general statement. If we put anything in place of blogging we'll get universal statement for any article here.

• There are many advantages to making your entire website a blog, but there are some downsides to it, too.

Another general statement and once again no details or proofs to put it into Criticism section. Without proofs it's just POV, nothing more. I still see people who claims that the Only Right Way to build website is to hand code every page in HTML but I'm not posting this under any article about CMS / Blog software.

• Creating an online business, a full featured website or multiple blogs with multiple authors using Wordpress can be quite challenging but if you are building a straight on single person or group blog, Wordpress is the way to go.

Building any sophisticated website can be quite challenging. This is true but also this is universal and general so once again it can be used for any web software.

I hope it's clear why this section was removed. --Piotr Mikołajski (talk) 14:33, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Wordpress iPod Touch/iPhone App, Over exagerated

The Wordpress app has all the features that the Wordpress Admin panel has.

This is a huge over exaggeration. Im looking at my (official) wordpress app of the app store right now and I can assure you that it only can create posts (and some details such as catagory, time posted), edit them, password protect them, and preview them using your theme.

In short its a very limited post management system for your wordpress blog, describing it as having all the features of the wordpress admin panel is closing on a lie!

Fixed it I think?! 16x9 (talk) 20:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

criticism section seems redundant

The only thing mentioned in the Criticism of Wordpress section is WP's security track record and this same information had been discussed in much more depth in the Vulnerabilities section. This section felt redundant since it was just restating issues already discussed more fully. If there are other areas of criticism notable enough to mention, then this section needs to be expanded. If not, I think it should be removed. 63.80.51.227 (talk) 15:36, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

• You critise something if its bad not for the sake of critising, that could be consider a type of spamming. Remember the Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view The drunken guy (talk) 09:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Wordpress.com vs wordpress.org

I think we should make the distinction between the two: one of them's a commercial blog host, the other a community that develops the Wordpress CMS--Kelvin_HO^{Wiknerd(talk)} 05:27, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Kelvin_HO. WP readers deserve to be clearly informed that both exist, that they are different, and what each is.

I suggest an almost identical brief paragraph be added to the lead of each article (so readers know early that they are reading the appropriate article), basically saying what Kelvin_HOsaid above, and also adding a link in each article's "See also" section to the other WP article and to WordPress.com vs WordPress.org.

I'm happy to do it, but as a new contributor would appreciate confirmation first that this is an appropriate approach, especially as no one has yet followed up Kelvin_HO's suggestion. Bricaniwi (talk) 01:10, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Privacy & data retention issues

I'm mulling over the best way to reflect the recent concerns that have popped up regarding the "phone home" features of WordPress. Is WordPress Spyware covers the basic issue, with a lot of back and forth in the comments and related forum. My first question, Should all the existing gripes in this article be combined with this new one in a Criticism section? (I maintain a handful of WordPress sites, and can't imagine life without it, but would love to see some improvement in this one area) - 01:49, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

PCI compliance

I have just removed the comment in 'Deployment' that suggested constant updating with SVN provided "PCI compliance". "PCI" was linked to a dab page, and there was no context to suggest what it was supposed to mean. Nor was there any context provided in the linked article. If the author meant PCI DSS (the Payment Card Industry Data Security Standards) then I think it will need some more description, rather than just a blank assertion. YojimboSan (talk) 00:24, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Plugins?

There should be a section on this page discussing wordpress's extensibility... plugins (both free and premium) and themes (both free and premium) make up a big deal of why WordPress rocks.

http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/pretty-link/ http://www.myreviewplugin.com/ http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/all-in-one-seo-pack/ http://www.wpreviewengine.com/ http://www.woothemes.com/

etc. etc. etc.

In that case I think a warning should be added, never to trust plugins or themes from an unknown or unverified origin. Here is an example that explains it: [3] - Onno Zweers (talk) 14:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)