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Hector Kim

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challenged speedy--perhaps it does make some claim to notability , but the references seem very dubious to establish that. DGG ( talk ) 16:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• delete - notability seems to rely primarily on the National Registry of Who's Who, a list that appears only to have existed circa 1999-2000 (apparently before running into trademark conflict with the publishers of Who's Who in America) and which may have been a pay-for-inclusion listing. The one article cited is a 3-paragraph piece which reads like a press release, promoting a book self-published through CreateSpace. --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
• Delete i went through a thorough review of all the articles sources last night and found nothing that qualified as a WP:RS. nominated the article for speedy delete as pre db-a7, article was deleted and recreated today. article cites no reliable third party sources and seems to be simply a vessel for promotion of authors website/blog and self-published books on amazon. WookieInHeat (talk) 16:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
• Delete - One of the sources appears to qualify as a WP:RS but none of the others do. Non-notable person. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 20:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Remove AfD and Keep The section where the article mentions National Registry of Who's Who, which I personaly doubt was a pay-for-inclusion list, was removed. I did more research on Mr. Kim and found a few local (Los Angeles) newspaper articles that support his notibility. Two of them are now linked in the article. They are in Korean language. I wasn't sure if I should use a google-translator URL for them. I also made a few minor changes so that the artcle does not read much like a press release. My writing still needs a lot of work, which is one of the reasons why I started "wiki-ing". As a starter, an article about someone whom I have been a big fan of but is not seen on Wikipedia would be a good choice, I thought. Mr. Kim's accomplishments are verified through secondary sources like IMDB and newspaper articles. AfD certainly is not an appropriate action of the article. WangGun (talk) 20:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Using Google translate, I see no mention for Hector in either of those two Korean articles. I do see mentions of Saramnet, but this is not an article on Saramnet, and these mentions would not even qualify Saramnet as notable (in each case, it is merely a single item in a list of things that exist; no separate attention is paid to sarament.) As for the Who's Who, it shows sign of being a Who's Who scam -- WorldCat finds zero copies in libraries, which is not a sign of a reliable reference work. In some cases, these deals will put in a first listing for free, as bait for selling books, "lifetime memberships", plaques, etc., but in any case this is not a noted reference work and does not serve to prove notability. IMDB is both user-editable and not a source of claim of notability, as presence requires merely a credit rather than notability. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The article is about Mr. Kim and his accomplishments. And, the issue here is notability if you have not noticed. The links to the newspaper articles were added as a means to verify his accomplishments as the CEO of SaramNet were indeed significant and noted in a published manner. As to your haste assumption on the credibility of the Who's Who listing, which by the way is not even in the article any more as noted above, my search attempt returns ten results in the United States, which then makes "The National Registry of Who's Who" a very reliable reference work accordingly to your logic. Your claim only suggests that either you did not want it to be found or your search skills are largely limited. Your response shows a sign of anxiety. Additionally, IMDB listing is a representative source of notability for professionals in the movie industries around the world. Try adding yourself as the director of Titanic. Let me know if it is "user-editable" as you falsely claim. In any case, I see no valid claim anywhere in your response. Please do not add to this conversation unless you are genuinely interested in making a contribution. WangGun (talk) 02:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I realize you are new to Wikipedia, and may not be familiar with its policies. I'm going to recommend that you review the Wikipedia policy on notability. For example, you will find there that establishing it requires "that sources address the subject directly in detail". Those Korean-language articles do not address the subject, Hector Kim, directly at all. No, being in ten libraries does not make something a very reliable reference source, it makes it quite scarce, compared to a real reference book. As for the use of IMDb to ascribe notability, that is specifically barred in some of the notability guidelines ("Trivial coverage, such as newspaper listings of screening times and venues, "capsule reviews," plot summaries without critical commentary, or listings in comprehensive film guides such as "Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide," "Time Out Film Guide," or the Internet Movie Database.") and falls outside the general guidelines for what denotes notability. And if you're unaware of where IMDb gets their data from, you may want to review how you too can add information to IMDb. --Nat Gertler (talk) 04:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment i just wanted to apologize to WanGun, i realize you have taken some offense to people suggesting mr.kim is not notable and recommending your article for deletion. contributions by new users are very much appreciated, we are not trying to discourage you from becoming a wikipedian. please don't take peoples objective analysis of your articles notablity as a personal slight, wikipedia just has very strict rules defining what is and is not acceptable for inclusing in the encyclopedia, particularly regarding biographies of living persons. ultimately though, everyones constructive contributions to the wikipedia project are fully appreciated, even slightly misguided contributions. WookieInHeat (talk) 13:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 15:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
• Delete. Nothing in the article establishes notability. The imdb filmography lists two films that Kim worked on as an editor -- nothing notable there. The Goldsea ref is a piece of puffery for a non-notable travel book. I can't comment on the Korean language refs except that the English titles suggest they're about the company, not Mr Kim. Zoominfo is not a reliable source. And the final ref is to another seemingly non-notable book. Jimmy Pitt talk 18:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. —PC78 (talk) 07:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
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• keep - he made films, had a somewhat successful business (at least number wise), and have a book out on photography. all seem verifiable and some seem notable. will do for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.143.119.36 (talk) 22:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

The claim that he "made films" is dubiously supported; the IMDb listing is simply for an "H. Kim", and even that only has one film editing credit, for an erotic film noted mainly as a step in the decline of a former child star. There is also a TV editing credit, but following through to the show's IMDb listing, it lists H. Kim as working on "unknown episodes". --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

• keep and edit - i removed "author" and replaced "filmmaker" with "videographer" in his title. to me he's only notable as an editor (who edited a tv show i grew up watching) and photographer (who shoots celebrities like this year's miss thailand). just checked imdb and it says "Alternate Names: Hector H. Kim | Hector Kim." more of an edit case than of delete.58.143.119.36 (talk) 22:38, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
• Keep For many ethnic Koreans with an overseas background like myself, Hector Kim is not only a notable person but also an inspiring one. I had been an everyday visitor to Saramnet Overseas Korean community during my college years, and later became a fan of Hector's travel photography that he's been sharing online. Hector became one of the first Asian American online stars when he ran Saramnet. Although Hector doesn't seem to blog as much any more, he was one of the first-generation bloggers who had thousands of followers even before we knew of the word, blogger. I even purchased his book Photomazing Thailand, which I'm learning a lot from. I would like to see more information added to this article in the future. I agree with the person above that the article should be kept and edited. 122.202.144.148 (talk) 22:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)