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Hi, I just finished (phew) going through the characters and fixing any grammar and wording errors, and attempting to get rid of redundancy within character bios. Tell me if I screwed anything up... especially if I messed up the information, so we can discuss it... [[User:Jds500|Jds500]] ([[User talk:Jds500|talk]]) 22:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I just finished (phew) going through the characters and fixing any grammar and wording errors, and attempting to get rid of redundancy within character bios. Tell me if I screwed anything up... especially if I messed up the information, so we can discuss it... [[User:Jds500|Jds500]] ([[User talk:Jds500|talk]]) 22:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== kizaru. nicknamed {{nihongo|"Yellow Monkey"|黄色人種|Ōshoku Jinshu}}. ==

nicknamed {{nihongo|"Yellow Monkey"|黄色人種|Ōshoku Jinshu}}.

Such nickname doesn't exist in a Japanese version.
The cartoon is stolen from Japan. And, the content is falsified by a malignant translator. [[Special:Contributions/60.39.41.134|60.39.41.134]] ([[User talk:60.39.41.134|talk]]) 23:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

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Reducing article size

I read parts of the archive for: specific split discussions [1] [2] [3], a thread on organizing characters, and another on splitting, and as far as I can tell many characters were kept (and are still being added) due to personal opinion of who is and is not important. I may be ahead of myself in saying this, but I see that a large majority of the current list lacks notability, and even characters entirely unimportant (no real-world refs, nor plot relation) have recently been included. Can we discuss a definite line on what is really necessary here and carry the article with that? Spindori (talk) 14:48, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List entries don't need to have notability. What we need to do is to aim at a reasonable article size, while giving due weight to each character: major characters get a whole section; secondary characters are mentioned; minor characters are left out. Back in the days, when I still found time to care for this article, I think we got fairly far. (Take a look at my last revision of the list.) Goodraise 07:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Real problems noted. Should we then decide which characters are major, to be mentioned, and then cut the details on the others? I wouldn't imagine that to take long. Spindori (talk) 15:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In response to Spindori's question, yes. I suggest that we hold a discussion on which minor characters and secondary characters listed here to be deleted, kept or merged. In this discussion, please state if the character should be kept, deleted, or merged into another article/section. Also, please provide a detailed reason for why you believe this should happen. Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 16:42, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also note that the recent discussion is now archived here. Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would also like to mention that rather than deleting many of the one-arc only characters outright, their info, if anything relevant, should be moved to the relevant episode/chapter lists.Jinnai 16:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If most of the character lists weren't merged pointlessly then this wouldn't even be a issue Gune (talk) 03:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, we'd have 2-3 bloated character lists instead of one to deal with. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 03:40, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean none at all since it was fine how it was before. Gune (talk) 19:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just as an idea, what about showing the straw hats, and any characters not part of or not shown only as part of any particular group or syndicate, on this page, and making new pages, then linking to seperate pages for other groups, like cp-9 or baroque works, listing them in this page, but also mentioning briefly various characters that were former members (nico robin for example, in baroque works). For example:

straw hat crew monkey d. luffy: blahblahblah roronoa zolo : blahblahblah nami: blahblahblah etc.

characters not in any organization: sir croc: blahblahblah bon clay: blahblahblah crocus: blahblahblah gol d. roger: blahblahblah etc.

labeled link to page for cp-9 labeled link to baroque works etc.

Jds500 (talk) 23:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SS infact suggests organizing information that way. However, pages that don't make considerable use of third-party sources tend to have fairly short lifespans on Wikipedia. Way back, we had dozens of articles dealing with nothing but One Piece characters. They're gone now, and without third-party sources, they won't return. Goodraise 03:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ahhh well.... why not use the sources from this article? they should work right? Jds500 (talk) 22:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Target size

Discussing how much space should be used for which character is pretty pointless, unless we first get to a consensus on how big this page should be. Based on WP:SIZERULE, I'd say we should aim for a size of 80 to 90 kilobyte. Would that be acceptable? Goodraise 00:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objections to this limit. Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am without much feel for how large kilobytes are, but near half the current 246 kb of text should be gone after dealing with characters. I planned to do necessary trimming after that excess was dealt with so maybe 10 kb more will be rid after that. I will agree with anything less than 110 kb, but I do not project the list to be much smaller than that. Spindori (talk) 14:13, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Straw poll

Mr. 4

Mr. 5

Mr. 7

Resolved
 – Consensus is that Mr. 7 does not meet notablility requirements for having a section and is to be deleted

Mr. 9

Resolved
 – Mr. 9 is not notable enough to have his section, and is to be deleted

Mr. 11

Resolved
 – Consensus is that Mr. 11's section is not notable for this article, and is to be deleted

Mr. 13

Resolved
 – Consensus has been established that Mr. 13 is not notable to have his section, and is to be deleted

Aisa

Akainu

Resolved
 – Keep

Alvida

Resolved
 – Alvida removed and merged into Buggy's section

Amazon

Aokiji

Resolved
 – Consensus has been established that Aokiji is notable enough to be kept

Scratchman Apoo

Aswa

Resolved
 – Aswa is not notable enough to have her section

Van Auger

Jean Bart

Ben Beckman

Capone Bege

Bellamy

  • Mention perhaps under Doflamingo. I never understood how he fractioned out in the Jaya arc, but I think he was part of Doflamingo's crew. Spindori (talk) 19:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- He was the captain of the Bellamy Pirates, and the main antagonist of the "Jaya arc". He deserves his own section. Rico70
  • Delete with appropriate metnions in Doflamingo's section - an unimportant character who has appeared in only one arc. Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:42, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mention him in Doflamingo's section. Granted, he is the main antagonist of a story arc, but it's a very small arc and his role in it isn't that big either. Then there's the fighting. One Piece is a manga with lots of fighting, which is why this article is doing good at spending lots of space on describing characters' fighting abilities. But back to Bellamy. How long did his fight with Luffy last? One punch. Goodraise 13:32, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Same reason as Rico70. --Dylandh (talk) 23:20, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bepo

Blamenco

Resolved
 – Blamenco deleted and merged into Remaning Commanders section

Blueno

Resolved
 – Blueno's section is to be removed and merged into CP9 section.

Jewelry Bonney

Braham

Big Bun

Bunchi

Resolved
 – Bunchi is not notable enough to be included in this section, and should be deleted

Jesus Burgess

Butchie

To answer your question, Goodraise, his importances is an extremely minor background character who is not notable in the series itself and only appears in a few stories in a single arc. Therefore, his character is unimportant to the storyline. Hope this clears everything up and I apologize if I have caused any confusion. I understand your words, Goodraise. Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cabaji

Resolved
 – Cabaji deleted and merged into Buggy's section

Camie

Capote

Chaka

Chess

Choo

Nefertari Cobra

Coby

Conis

Crocus

Catalina Devon

Doberman

Miss Doublefinger

Monkey D. Dragon

X. Drake

Eneru

Resolved
 – Consensus is that Eneru is notable enough to have his section, and should be kept

Miss Father's Day

Resolved
 – Consensus is that Miss Father's Day does not meet notablility requirements for having a section and is to be deleted

Miss Friday

Resolved
 – Miss Friday is not notable enough to be kept, and is to be deleted

Fukuro

Fullbody

Gan Fall

Gedatsu

Genbo

Ghin

Miss Golden Week

Hamburg

Hannyabal

Hatchan

Basil Hawkins

Helmeppo

Hina

Igaram

Inazuma

Ivankov

Jabra

Jango

Jozu

Kaido

Kaku

Kalifa

Kamakiri

Karoo

Eustass Kid

Killer

Kizaru

Resolved
 – Kizaru is notable enough to have his section, and should be kept

Koza

Kumadori

Kuro

Kuromarimo

Kuroobi

Lafitte

Laki

Lasso

Trafalgar Law

Rob Lucci

Magellan

Marco

McKinley

Miss Merry Christmas

Mohji

Momonga

Momoo

Miss Monday

Nezumi

Resolved
 – Consensus has determined that Nezumi is not notable enough to have his section, and is to be deleted with appropriate mentions in Arlong's section

Ohm

Onigumo

Pagaya

Pappagu

Pearl

Pell

Pickles

Abalo Pizarro

Porche

Purinpurin

Doc Q

Richie

Robson

Resolved
 – Consensus has been established that Robson does not meet notability requirements to have his section, and is to be deleted

Rockstar

Lucky Roux

Sadie

Saldeath

San Juan Wolf

Sarquiss

Satori

Sengoku

Resolved
 – Sengoku is notable enough to have his section, and should be kept

Sentomaru

Shiryu

Vasco Shot

Shu

Shura

Siam

Smoker

Resolved
 – Consensus is that Smoker is notable enough to have his section, and should be kept

Spandam

Strawberry

Stronger

Resolved
 – Consensus is that Stronger should be merged with Doc Q's section

Tashigi

  • Merge, she can be mentioned in Smoker's section. She has relevance only to him. Spindori (talk) 18:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per above. Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:47, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm somewhat on the fence with her. Simply mentioning her would be too little, because she's more than just another cannon fodder character without depth tagging along her captain. She should be covered in a few sentences at least and I'm not sure that it's appropriate to discuss a character in such detail in the section of another character. If she can be covered in Smoker's section without cutting too much prose and without slanting his section toward her, then I'm all for it. Or perhaps the resulting section could be made to cover both equally, as was the case with Camie and Pappagu at one time. Goodraise 16:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wish to echo Goodraise's comments here. It is likely, like Smoker, her role will only increase in importance as the story advances.Jinnai 16:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- She is one of the stronger marines. She deserves her own section. Rico70
  • Keep She is an important character. --Dylandh (talk) 23:20, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

T-Bone

Terracotta

Thatch

  • Delete, Minor character who is only involved in one story arc. Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove him from the list or perhaps mention him in White- and/or Blackbeard's sections. He's the guy Blackbeard killed and that's it. Very minor character. Goodraise 04:28, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- He was the fourth division commander of the Whitebeard Pirates. He deserves his own section. Rico70 (talk) 04:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He plays a major role as part of Blackbeard's past, and when he was killed, it was the whole reason Ace tried to get revenge against Blackbeard. Ace hunted for Blackbeard for about 200 episodes for that reason. --Dylandh (talk) 23:20, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Blackbeard stayed low and on Whitebeards ship in the hopes of finding the Yami Yami no Mi. Thatch found it. Blackbeard killed him, stole it, and ran off. That's Blackbeard's past. All of it. Thatch is the guy who got killed. And that he got killed (which is something he didn't do, it's something Blackbeard did) is in fact the reason for something Ace has been doing for some amount of time. Though I don't know how you came up with those 200 episodes, because for the grand majority of that time, Ace was—and I can't help but find that important to note—offscreen. Goodraise 00:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because in the manga, preceeding each chapter, the author usually has a picture involving various characters doing various things, but often the pictures make up a sub story. Ace's search for blackbeard starts in volume 29 in chapter 272, i think... 65.71.126.153 (talk) 00:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Toto

Urouge

Miss Valentine

Very Good

Vista

Whitebeard Allies

World Nobles

Wyper

Resolved
 – Consensus is that Wyper is notable enough to have his section, and should be kept

Yama

Yamakaji

Yasopp

roronoa zolo

it's "zolo" not "zoro" right? that's what I find in the english shonen jump manga, if you don't believe me, check it yourself. also, if there's a japanese spelling of "zolo" (not that there necessarily is), then shouldn't that be in the japanese article (if any) not here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jds500 (talkcontribs) 00:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps reading this discussion will answer your questions. Goodraise 00:19, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's my opinion. I buy and read the English manga (which is translated by Viz Media), and I buy and watch the English DVDs (which is dubbed by FUNimation). Viz Media translates his name as "Zolo", but FUNimation translates his name as "Zoro". The "List of One Piece characters" article goes by the FUNimation translations. Therefore, his name should remain as "Zoro". I respect Jds500's opinion, but the entire article goes by the English FUNimation translations. Rico70 (talk) 09:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okeydokey, I think I'm sold. it looks like "zoro" is used more, but it might be helpful to make sure that it's mentioned that "zoro" is the funimation (and/or anything else that also uses "zoro") translation and is used more worldwide, but to also mention "zolo" is used in english manga, but isn't used as much so it's mentioned, but not used in the article. That way, other people (you're not the only ones using "zoro" and I'm not the only one using "zolo") should be happy: you use the (apparently) more correct name, but you acknowledge that "zolo" is used, instead of having everybody fight over names so virtually everybody(you can never please EVERYBODY) should be happy.

Basically, keep using "zoro", just make sure you mention that it's one of two translations, and apparently more correct than the other so you use it here, as well as mentioning the "zolo" translation as being less used, etc. making sure you mention it's the english manga version of his name, and I'll be good. Jds500 (talk) 15:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SH top three fighters

in the archive that goodraise linked to, there was a argument about the relative strengths of luffy, zoro/zolo, and sanji, did that get resolved? i was wondering because i saw the arguement, but nothing about relative strengths in the list of characters Jds500 (talk) 16:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not included, because we don't include the opinions of random fans in our articles. (See WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV.) Goodraise 23:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Editing

Hi, I just finished (phew) going through the characters and fixing any grammar and wording errors, and attempting to get rid of redundancy within character bios. Tell me if I screwed anything up... especially if I messed up the information, so we can discuss it... Jds500 (talk) 22:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

kizaru. nicknamed "Yellow Monkey" (黄色人種, Ōshoku Jinshu).

nicknamed "Yellow Monkey" (黄色人種, Ōshoku Jinshu).

Such nickname doesn't exist in a Japanese version. The cartoon is stolen from Japan. And, the content is falsified by a malignant translator. 60.39.41.134 (talk) 23:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]