Talk:South Sudan/Archive 1

Expansion

i plan on expanding this page greatly soon, the full works too. before that however, i need help creating some kind of template, or a list of things that are a priority.

- la gaie 02:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Kush

In the part of Establishment it does not mention Kush. I'm adding it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.179.161 (talk) 07:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Kakua

When I was in Yei, most of the people I spoke with in the villages called themselves Kakua, and claimed that the majority of the people there are from the Kakua tribe. I'm curious to know why my reference to this was deleted from the page. hardpack 15:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

the Bari people

i would like to know why 141.168.126.44 on 22:33, 22 July 2005 deleted all mention of the Bari amongst nilotic tribes from the previous version (his own too!) justify yourself. i'm pretty sure the Bari are nilotic but prove me wrong. and even if not, why just delete them as if they don't exist?

- la gaie 02:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

New additions

I warmly welcome additions to this article, but I'm afraid I don't see much in the analysis that User:65.222.207.34 has added that isn't rather superficial and perhaps Amerocentric? (not to mention badly spelled and unsourced!). But I'll try to whip it into shape. (few minutes later:) I've cut most of the bits about the Arabic language and Islamist militancy, because frankly they make no sense. It's Khartoum and the Northern Sudan that have had links to Turabi and bin Laden; Arabic is not spoken in the South, except for a pidgin reputed to be unintelligible to most other Arabic speakers; and Islamism is quite unacceptable to both the political elites and the masses in this region where Christianity and tribal religions predominate. QuartierLatin1968 05:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The language spoken in S. Sudan is Juba Arabic--QL's description is correct. hardpack 03:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Referendum

2012!?!? Why wait for such an extremely long period of time? --WikiMarshall 06:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Because it would be unfair if the North Sudanese didn't even get a chance to prove that it's possible to live in peace with them. As I see it, they'll botch up, anyway, and South Sudan will be independent at the *LATEST* by 2011, but we'll see. —Nightstallion (?) 20:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Bari tribe?

A recent edit inserted the following underlined content:

The distinctive Juba Arabic language is a widely used lingua franca in Southern Sudan,this (arabi juba) deriving mostly from the Bari tribal native tongue. The Bari Tribe is considered the heart of Juba or ( Juba na Bari).

The Bari tribe is never mentioned in the article. If it exists it should be introduced earlier. Juba is given as the capital of Southern Sudan. What does it mean that the Bari Tribe is the heart of Juba? AxelBoldt 01:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Official language?

The text claims that English is the language of business and government, while the box to the right states that English and Arabic are official languages. Which is correct? AxelBoldt 02:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

These are by no means mutually exclusive statements. For example, in South Africa, English is the language in which most matters of government and finance are conducted. However, South Africa has ten other official languages (if I've counted right) – the operative word being 'officially', because in practice none of these languages is treated equally with English. Q·L·1968 ☿ 16:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Official languages

internal constitution of Southern Sudan art6-1.“All indigenous languages of Southern Sudan are national languages and shall be respected, developed and promoted.” 6-2.“English and Arabic shall be the official working languages at the level of the governments of Southern Sudan and the States as well as languages of instruction for higher education.” 6-3.“There shall be no discrimination against the use of either English or Arabic at any level of government stage of education.” 6-4.“Without prejudice to sub-Article (3) above, and for practical considerations, English shall be the principal working language of government business in Southern Sudan.” 6-5.“In addition to English and Arabic, the legislature of any sub-level of government in Southern Sudan may adopt any other national language as an additional official working language or medium of instruction in schools at its level.” 6-6.“The Government of Southern Sudan shall promote the development of a sign language for the benefit of people with special needs.”

The Official langiages of Southern Sudan are English and Arabic.58.237.222.195 12:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)korea

Southern Sudan Population

I live in Southern Sudan and I am fairly certain that the population figures are inaccurate. There are 15 million people living in Southern Sudan. Could you please give a source for the 11 million figure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scorea1982 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

Name

Are there any names for the region besides "South Sudan"? What name will they most likely pick if they become independent in 2011 (surely they won't keep calling themselves "South Sudan")Lexington1 (talk) 03:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

The SPLA used to issue car license plates stating "New Sudan", but I have no idea if they're still pushing that name. I don't see why they wouldn't keep "Sudan"; it is derived from the Arabic from "lands of the blacks" and the many ethnic groups comprising the southern population don't appear to have a common name for the region in any other language. - BanyanTree 08:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

That might be strnage having Sudan, and its neighbor to the south, sudan.

Imagine the UN seat, --Jakezing (talk) 01:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

No stranger than having two states in the US be Virginia and West Virginia. One would think that there'd be an East Virginia... BanyanTree 01:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Theres logic behind that though. We don't call W.V Virginia, since we already got a virginia, thats why you cant have 2 countries with the exact same name.--Jakezing (talk) 01:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

They wouldn't have the same name. There would be two countries "Sudan" and "Southern Sudan/South Sudan", unless the southerners decide to change the name. - BanyanTree 01:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Besides, there are two countries that are, identifiers notwithstanding, basically called "Congo". Krytenia (talk) 21:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it South Sudan or Southern Sudan? --Ruang rak noi nid mahasan (talk) 17:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Why not "Oily Sudan" or "Amoco/BP Sudan" That would be more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.1.113 (talk) 04:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Two civil wars

Can any place be POSITIVELY affected by a war on its territory? WeeWillieWiki (talk) 02:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Numbers don't add up

The numbers for the stakes in blocks 3 and 7 don't add up to 100%. Is this due to a round-off error? WeeWillieWiki (talk) 02:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

fact tags removed

While I appreciate the work that has recently gone into the article, I have removed the {{fact}} tags from the section already tagged with {{unrefsect}}. These duplicate each other and the section tag is cleaner. The {{specify}} tags do something different and remain. - BanyanTree 03:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Images and Stuff

I am trying to create a decent map of Southern Sudan in general and Central Equatoria that shows the States and counties by merging these two images; a satellite [1] image and a 'district map' [2] Some UN agencies have newer better maps but I don't know how to handle credit (my photoshop are kinda weak too) and if they're cool with all that. Can anyone help with this? la gaie (talk) 16:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

New Sudan

• According to government of southern Sudan site, "New Sudan" is a motto which means the new Democratic Transformation in the country --Prof.Sherif (talk) 05:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC).

Bor massacre

I have removed the Bor massacre section as being so badly written, accusatory and unreferenced that it would be easier for an editor who knew what they were doing to start from nothing than attempt to rewrite the existing text to conform to site guidelines. - BanyanTree 21:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Dewar210 is ruining this page

I'm losing of all the reverts we have to be doing now. You obviously have something to contribute but you can't just lie! there are 10 states in Southern Sudan. The three areas are not part of the south yet if ever, that is the cold truth. Likewise, this is not an independent country. You keep making a number of blatant POV statements that you need to support. Bashir is the President of ALL of Sudan regardless of how you and I feel about him as well. These are just the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by La gaie (talk • contribs) 03:18, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Oil in Southern Sudan

I think that soemone must create an article about Oil in Southern Sudan. Petroleum is the main subject of this region of Sudan today.Agre22 (talk) 19:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)agre22

Formatting

Recent edits have introduced spelling and gramatical errors and non-conventional formatting into this article. Can editors please discuss/preview their edits on talk, if need be I can proof for style, spelling and grammar. Respectfully, RomaC (talk) 13:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

typo

This article is obviously locked and I don't know if this is the correct way to make a suggestion but the caption under the image of logs reads 'Loka teaks largest plantation in Sudan and Africa in particular' I think you mean 'Loka teaks largest plantation in AFRICA and SUDAN in particular' The other way doesn't make sense to me. To be honest it stills sounds odd but less odd, I guess.

The Illegitimacy of the Proposed South-Sudanese Referendum

Deleted essaying for violation of several Wikipedia policies including WP:SOAP WP:NOR WP:NPOV WP:NOT. This is not a chat board nor an editorial page. Mtminchi08 (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

A "Government" does not have borders...Opening sentence

I spotted this English language problem in the first two sentences: "Southern Sudan (officially known as the Government of Southern Sudan) is an autonomous government in Sudan. Juba is its capital city. It is bordered by Ethiopia to the east, Kenya, Uganda, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo to the south, and the Central African Republic to the west. To the north lies the predominantly Arab and Muslim region directly under the control of the central government, with its capital at Khartoum. Southern Sudan includes the vast swamp region of the Sudd formed by the White Nile, locally called the Bahr el Jebel."

i.e. in Sentence 1, we say that "Southern Sudan" is a "Government" but in sentence 2, we say that the Government is "bordered"...Governments are not geographical entities...they do not have borders...I will amend so as to provide in sentence 1 that "Southern Sudan" is a region...Thanks. 109.77.103.222 (talk) 22:30, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Religion

Christianity is the main religion of Southern Sudan nowadays. Those CIA Factbook data claiming only 5% of the total population of Sudan is Christian are way out of date; it's more like 20% now (and around 75% of the population of Southern Sudan). 98.209.116.7 (talk) 01:31, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that is a good point, and a topic that warrants additional discussion in the article. Considering the importance of religious differences in the overall conflict, the Religion section is rather weak, and confusing. The article is about Southern Sudan, but most of the religious references are to Sudan as a whole, and readers may not catch that. Some additional, and authoritative, cites would be helpful.

--anietor (talk) 19:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Territory

As far as I can tell from the text of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement, southern Sudan's territory is bounded by the 1.1.1956 frontier. According to [3], this corresponds mostly to the northern boundaries of Bahr el Ghazal states, Unity and Upper Nile, but it also includes a part of South Darfur in the southern Sudanese territory. If this is true, then the maps in this article ought to be corrected.--84.108.213.97 (talk) 12:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Currency

Will S.Sudan continue using the Sudanese pound after independence?